top speed?

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Reply #45 – August 23, 2007, 09:56:57 AM

and it wasn't full size either

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Reply #46 – August 23, 2007, 10:36:11 AM

I have a radar gun:)
thanks for all the info. I personaly know a guy who built a n/a 2.5 stroker, that ran 219.6 at bonnaville. granted it was in a custom chasis bullet shaped car. But an n/a 2.3 stroked to 2.5 with a stock pinto 4speed, and a 2 to 1 rear end! wow! they ran 13:1 compretion and the thing sounded like a harly from hell!

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Reply #47 – August 23, 2007, 10:37:01 AM

The back end was. I have a picture of a White TC production bumper being mounted to one of Elliot's cars.

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Reply #48 – August 23, 2007, 10:47:35 AM

Quote from: Innes;171354

I think the fastest Tbird TC was bill Elliot’s at Daytona in 1987 he did 212.xxx MPH.:hick:

212.809... In a '87... At Talladega, not Daytona... Std nose(highly modified for those speeds)... I doubt they could cool 700Hp with a TC nose...

212.239... In a '86, again Talladega...

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Reply #49 – August 25, 2007, 12:30:45 AM

Not fullsize?
I have seen several of the 87-88 cars when the Elliotts had their museum at the shop. The 87 car had a stock non-TC header panel and painted grill, and the headlights were bondo'd over but intact and recognizeable as the original lights. I have a mould pulled from one of the noses, and used my 87 Sport to develop the mould I have now. From the outside, it looks exactly like a street Tbird, except for the larger wheel openings and the slight stretch to the wheelbase. It uses a stock hood, decklid and roof steel, and the first ones used the stock rear bumper cover. It may be they all did, but the 88 cars, the tailight area was all solid. I just assumed they made up a different bumper cover, but I admit I didn't pay much attention about that.
My Sport had full length headers and an HO TB and blended plenum, was clock at "about" 125mph on the back straight at Lowe's and about 135 on the front straight. They would'nt tell us exactly but one the instructors told me anyway.
I can attest to the fact the rears get light on these cars. I have a pic somewhere of my T-bird on the back straight at Lowe's and the gap between the fender and tires is huge, like it is about to go airborn. I'm leaning towards a ducktail spoiler and roof rails extended down the back glass to guide the air.
Hillbilly, we have to share notes on the aero.

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Reply #50 – August 26, 2007, 04:07:52 AM

I have had my 87 T-Bird Sport indicating 199 km/hr (about 120 MPH) on the digital dash so not sure what it might do but i know it was still a nice ride even at 120 with stock springs and shocks and a trailor hitch "which is removed form my car finally".

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Reply #51 – August 26, 2007, 12:03:18 PM

Ok I knew I would open up a can of worms with that "not fullsize" statement. First off it's is just a rumor that I haven't beeen able to prove myself. Rumor is they made a 2/3 size car that FIT the templates. How they made it 2/3 size I don't know, but I suspect it was height that's the reason stock width parts fit. They may have sectioned the body. Ernie was very innovative back in those days. Prototype I wished I had realized you were in GA. I have been going to Norcross for the last few months, but that's finished now. Maybe one weekend I can ease over that way and we can compare notes. I have lots of aero idea changes for the Bird and I am lucky I do have access to a full size wind tunnel for testing. I do have plans on testing 4 different trunk lids and spoiler setups and some ducting behind the front bumper cover and nose. If I had some different bumper covers and noses I would test them. At this time I only have the stock TC nose and bumper cover. Hope is to reduce the Cd and help the aero balance. I don't see changing the frontal area much as that would take drastic changes. BTW roof rails are mandatory over 150mph.

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Reply #52 – August 26, 2007, 08:38:56 PM

Hillbilly,
I suspect that is just a rumor. The only "scaled down" car I have ever heard of is the old Smokey Yunick Chevelle. I have walked around some of the Elliott cars, leaned on them, etc, and they appear completely normal-sized except the wheel arches are cut 'way high and big, and what appears to be a slight stretch behind the front wheels to accomodate the 110" wheelbase. I would love to be able to make the streetcar windshield fit and be smooth like the racecar.... Haven't thought about this much yet.
Ernie was and is still very innovative, but he claims to have spent most of his time on the engine package, and Bill claims he did the majority of the work on the car.
Email me and we can save bandwidth and discuss this further. You have gotten me interested in finishing the mould and making some noses. Now the one I copied was flared out in front of the tires like a short-track or roadrace nose for downforce. The finished nose should be flexible enough to adjust and pull in if needed for aero. I can add some extra re-inforcement in the corners for a clevis. There is a moulded-in opening for airflow in the center, but nothing else. I modified the bottom edge so it is straight, all the way across from wheel to wheel, so a splitter can be fitted or a bellypan. It has about a 2" now to make this easier. (This would not be NASCAR legal). I have some carbonfiber triple nose ducts I plan to fit/modify, and can pull moulds from them too if needed. Although you may not need nor want them.
I would be very interested in what rear spoiler is needed for balance, and also what spoiler difference is needed to make significant changes to the handling/traction.
Yes, I am in Gainesville, not far from Norcross. If you came down 85, you were about 30 minutes away.
It is too hot to do composites outside right now, but maybe in a week or two I will dust-off the mould and see what I need to do to finish it.
Dave