Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement.... Reply #15 – February 06, 2005, 02:26:50 PM A buddy of mine has a 66 fairlane with stroked 460 built that pumps out 750+ Hp on 94 octain gas. His 66 runs lows 10s and he wants that all hard to get 9.99 on pump gas with ET streets all motor. The car gets driven on the street alot to and form the track witch is a hour and bit drive.Rotational mass is what makes so much tork over 4bangers that have not much rotational mass and use hi revs to make power. Quote Selected
Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement.... Reply #16 – February 07, 2005, 03:11:57 AM I think it dosent matter at all... forced induction, displacement, etc because if you can go faster than all the other smucks out there you've accomplished your goal. I like superchargers, I like turbos, I hate NOS (as opposed to SC/Turbos, NOS can run out on you, however I still think the science of it is cool)We are all here to have fun with our cars, we all have our personal preferences on what we like for paint, racing, etc. That is what makes the community awesome, we aren't clones. Replacement for displacement can be technology... better machined parts, better fuel systems (look at the horsepower of 70's motors!)Replacement for displacement can be forced induction... better bang for your buck, knew a kid with a twin turbo talon... betcha a 460ci couldnt touch it!go out, have fun, that's all that matters.oh, and me, Im a n/a guy, I like my 310ci motor chugging along. Ill never be the fastest, but I get great joy out of my car. Quote Selected
Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement.... Reply #17 – February 07, 2005, 03:28:24 AM Quote from: MDJ1281I think it dosent matter at all... forced induction, displacement, etc because if you can go faster than all the other smucks out there you've accomplished your goal. I like superchargers, I like turbos, I hate NOS (as opposed to SC/Turbos, NOS can run out on you, however I still think the science of it is cool)We are all here to have fun with our cars, we all have our personal preferences on what we like for paint, racing, etc. That is what makes the community awesome, we aren't clones. Replacement for displacement can be technology... better machined parts, better fuel systems (look at the horsepower of 70's motors!)Replacement for displacement can be forced induction... better bang for your buck, knew a kid with a twin turbo talon... betcha a 460ci couldnt touch it!go out, have fun, that's all that matters.oh, and me, Im a n/a guy, I like my 310ci motor chugging along. Ill never be the fastest, but I get great joy out of my car.QFT. there will always be somebody faster than you, so it really doesn't matter what you have, as long as you enjoy it. I know I'd prefer a chest-rumbling exhaust to a tinny, ear-shattering farty sound any day. Quote Selected
Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement.... Reply #18 – February 07, 2005, 03:30:13 AM force induction IS an increase in displacement...you're displacing both more air and fuel :wtf: Quote Selected
Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement.... Reply #19 – February 07, 2005, 03:46:46 AM maybe technically so, but you don't call your blown 302 a 400 (or however much it increases "displacement") Quote Selected
Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement.... Reply #20 – February 07, 2005, 04:27:15 AM what do you mean about look at those 70's motors? look at the 60's before they were choked down with emmisons. My favorate would have to be the 427 fe motor. 675hp from the factory. It was built to replace the hemi's. Dual overhead cams, and a 6ft long timing chain. Quote Selected
Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement.... Reply #21 – February 07, 2005, 06:07:15 AM Quote from: zpyromaybe technically so, but you don't call your blown 302 a 400 (or however much it increases "displacement")and I'm surprised they don't...marketting in areas other than autos sometimes do things that way.If people give me that "replacement for displacement" , I just tell them that they ARE displacing more...if they can't figure that statement out, I don't need or want to talk to them. Same with people who seem to think high revs matter and make smaller engines superior to larger ones There's just too many variables.these types of threads always eventually get locked...but I wonder if it'll happen here. Quote Selected
Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement.... Reply #22 – February 07, 2005, 11:04:02 AM I doubt this one will get closed. Usually it is closed from mud slinging. So far it seems to be a pretty one sided argument. Quote Selected
Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement.... Reply #23 – February 07, 2005, 11:19:04 AM A power-adder IS a replacement for displacement. It makes a smaller engine perform like a larger one. Simple enough. It doesn't mean a smaller engine with a turbo will neccessarily out perform, or in some cases even equal a larger N/A engine with about the same output numbers. Also in some cases the smaller engine doesn't = better mileage. It all depends on too many factors to qualify that statement with any more than a "generally" it is true. Alot of the time the technology and "vintage" of the design of the engine will have alot to do with it. I know around town, my turbo motors don't do a whole lot better than than say an EFI 5.0 (17-20mpg), but generally on longer highway trips in the more "aero" packages I can get 30+ (the truck is still hampered by the fact that my refidgerator is more aerodynamic). I myself am a smaller displacement with a power adder (perferably turbo) guy. They are able to squeeze some impressive numbers out of larger engines these days and still get good emissions and mileage out of them. It's all in the technology.In general I disagree with mexcougars statement.....there are replacements for displacement. Whether they are "better" or not is up to the individual to decide for themselves. Quote Selected
Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement.... Reply #24 – February 07, 2005, 11:29:38 AM Small motor with a turbo or a SC is always a nice package. It use to be the rule of thum that Bigger is better.I know a guy with 750HP 460 and a guy with GN turbo 6 that is making 800+.Both will say there car is streetable and they are. But to there level of so called streetable. But witch is better?Times have changed and the big bad V8 is making good power but when a 2L motor can make 350+ Hp with help it makes u wonder were things are going to be in another 5 years. I rember there use to be a nove with SB 350 twin turbo and twin SuperCharged in mags and at car shows. It made like 1200 HP and was driven around. I myself like both the big inch motors and smaller boosted ideas.I'm building a twin turbo kit for my cougar but my choice of power 6days out of the week would come in form of a blue bottle yet still going to go with turbos just because i have them and i want to change and do something diffrent for awile.Just wish i knew how things would go in 5 years becasue i could make a killing. Quote Selected
Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement.... Reply #25 – February 07, 2005, 08:28:42 PM Quote from: SirChirpAlotJust wish i knew how things would go in 5 years becasue i could make a killing.alternate fuel sources of course :p Aren't we predicted to run dry around 2020 now? Many years ago it was predicted to be in the 30's but they keep pushing the year forwardI'm more interested in how the new fuel technology will evolve...after all, we're going to NEED to use it someday (and soon - time flies) Quote Selected
Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement.... Reply #26 – February 07, 2005, 08:36:37 PM QuoteJust wish i knew how things would go in 5 years becasue i could make a killing.Don't we all??? I wouldn't be building hot rods though... I'd make some serious financial investments...Quote A power-adder IS a replacement for displacement.For sure.... Hey Chuck, here's one, I've kicked around stickin' a 2.3 turbo into a Aerostar. If I could find a early one in decent cond, that had the 2.3('86-'87 only) I might just do it. But I ain't about to hunt up all the pieces to convert a V6 Star..... Just imagine 225hp(yea I'd crank up the boost a little) in a empty box..... Quote Selected
Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement.... Reply #27 – February 07, 2005, 08:42:04 PM I always wanted to stick a 5.0, in one of those Aerostars!! :ies: Quote Selected
Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement.... Reply #28 – February 07, 2005, 08:51:15 PM Belive me you woldn't want to put a 5.0 in place of the 4.0, in an areostar. I have a 95 with the 4.0 and there is no room under the hood. Now if yopu put it in the back that would be cool. Quote Selected
Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement.... Reply #29 – February 07, 2005, 08:55:26 PM But that's what they make torches and big hammers for!!!....LOL Quote Selected
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