Anyone interested in a Stock Appearance Race ? Reply #1 – April 07, 2007, 04:34:29 PM Those rules are kinda weak man. Layla will qualify on them and there is NOTHING stock about her engine. John's 460 84 TC will qualify. Saying the body has to look stock except the wheels describes at least 85% of cars. The REAL F.A.S.T. guys have to look stock under the hood as well. I'd be far more inclined to build a car like that, that people will actually think is stock. Open my hood (or start the engin, or look underneath, or inside) of my car and it's blatently obvious it's not stock. Quote Selected
Anyone interested in a Stock Appearance Race ? Reply #2 – April 07, 2007, 04:52:10 PM I would need something closer to home.But like mike said it's pretty vauge. Quote Selected
Anyone interested in a Stock Appearance Race ? Reply #3 – April 07, 2007, 08:04:18 PM Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;138803Those rules are kinda weak man. Layla will qualify on them and there is NOTHING stock about her engine. John's 460 84 TC will qualify. Saying the body has to look stock except the wheels describes at least 85% of cars. The REAL F.A.S.T. guys have to look stock under the hood as well. I'd be far more inclined to build a car like that, that people will actually think is stock. Open my hood (or start the engin, or look underneath, or inside) of my car and it's blatently obvious it's not stock.Mike: The "Stock" outside appearance is the "theme" here.I have no interest is checking casting numbers or date codes at the moment. The F.A.S.T. guys do that and that's o.k. with me. Honestly, in the future I would love to have a Real stock appearing class inside and out.This idea is nothing more than an extension of what people have been doing for years. I just felt it was time to get us all together and share a common interest. (i.e. sleepers)Remember....the engine can be completely stock and still be eligible. Or it can be modified.Eliminations are of the Dial your own e.t. format. (for now..until we we get large enough as a group)The driver with the quickest run during eliminations would win a plaque stating such.I explained why 1982 was the magical starting year I selected on the website's front page, before anyone asks. The 82 GT started (or re-started) the whole 2nd wave of factory hot rods.Appearances can be deceiving. Been that way for years. Sleeper guys get it. Quote Selected
Anyone interested in a Stock Appearance Race ? Reply #4 – April 07, 2007, 09:56:56 PM It's not a "sleeper" with widened rear rims on 295's, pillar pod gauges, rollcages, giant open exhaust systems, custom tube suspension, and absolutely anything under the hood. It's simply "I haven't painted it yet". Even with the engine swap rule in effect (which kills the whole notion of the class period IMHO), at least make the interior stock, stock wheels with stock width tires, and a stock exit exhaust system. Under their rules I could put a 632ci BBF into a 86 TC with a 10" widened 10-holes with 295's in mini tubs, full rollcage, back half with ladder bars, Mustang II front end with fiberglass nose, lexan windows, and a 1000HP nitrous setup on top of a blower. As long as the wheels were stock height and I painted it a factory color. Quote Selected
Anyone interested in a Stock Appearance Race ? Reply #5 – April 08, 2007, 11:41:28 AM Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;138854It's not a "sleeper" with widened rear rims on 295's, pillar pod gauges, rollcages, giant open exhaust systems, custom tube suspension, and absolutely anything under the hood. It's simply "I haven't painted it yet". Even with the engine swap rule in effect (which kills the whole notion of the class period IMHO), at least make the interior stock, stock wheels with stock width tires, and a stock exit exhaust system. Under their rules I could put a 632ci BBF into a 86 TC with a 10" widened 10-holes with 295's in mini tubs, full rollcage, back half with ladder bars, Mustang II front end with fiberglass nose, lexan windows, and a 1000HP nitrous setup on top of a blower. As long as the wheels were stock height and I painted it a factory color.Mike, you make some good points. However, the number of racers that enjoy launching a car with 225 mm tires are very few, I'm sure of that. The supercharged Mustang guys with their 275 mm factory tires have the advantage. The 295 mm tire is the largest tire that will fit an un-tubbed fox Mustang and in May Mickey Thompson will release their 295-50-16 and 295-45-17 drag radials. Yes, it does take away somewhat from the stock appearance, but at least the 80's and 90's car owners would have a better chance at traction. Second, the handicapped starts allow everyone an equal chance at winning.third....yes there are a bunch of guys out there wanting to sink $ 30,000 plus into a machine, hang some factory appearing wheels on it, and go out and race for a 3 ft. trophy and a plaque. They are out there! Pretty expensive trophy, IMO. Quote Selected
Anyone interested in a Stock Appearance Race ? Reply #6 – April 08, 2007, 11:55:52 AM Have a limit on how much money can be put in the car for certain aspects of it? like a certain amount in the motor and drive train, suspension and brakes, just a thought. That way guys with more money won't be able have as much in so its somewhat equal across the board. Quote Selected
Anyone interested in a Stock Appearance Race ? Reply #7 – April 08, 2007, 01:00:53 PM How come the REAL FAST guys run 9's on 7" bias-ply's with leaf springs and no traction devices? The 295 rule is lame. It's not stock appearing with a 11" section width DR on the back. Make them run stock size radial tires in similar brands (Goodyear RS-A's for TC's for example). The suspension is still 100% wide open as well. I seriously went through the rules a dozen times and here's the car I would run:1987 TC, buy an ex-Super Gas car, take off the wheelie bars and chute, remove the wing, put on a stock TC hood, run 295 DR's in the rear on widened snowflakes, with an aluminum headed 460 carbed using the hoodscoops for air, 200 shot, Powerglide with a trans brake, and call it done. It would run low 9's and look "stock" even though the nose is a fiberglass 1 -piece, the doors and trunk are CF, it's been front and back halfed, and weighs less then 2800 Lbs. Sorry, that doesn't sound fun or stock. Quote Selected
Anyone interested in a Stock Appearance Race ? Reply #8 – April 08, 2007, 08:01:47 PM Alan, That sounds like a good time. Nice to see someone putting effort into getting people together with similar cars. It is a bit far from me though, so don't count on me showing up. Quote Selected
Anyone interested in a Stock Appearance Race ? Reply #9 – April 08, 2007, 08:13:44 PM Quote from: Sluggo;138924Alan, That sounds like a good time. Nice to see someone putting effort into getting people together with similar cars. It is a bit far from me though, so don't count on me showing up.Sluggo: Yeah, it really becomes a regional thing so I am hoping some T-Bird -Cougar owners within 2 hours of the racetrack might be interested. I don't really think anyone living any further than that will show up for a 3ft trophy and possibly a plaque. But it would be nice to get together even if I don't get enough people to commit to showing up.Ideally, I would like to roam to other tracks and everybody with similar built cars could check each other's ride out. Quote Selected
Anyone interested in a Stock Appearance Race ? Reply #10 – April 08, 2007, 08:33:54 PM Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;138918How come the REAL FAST guys run 9's on 7" bias-ply's with leaf springs and no traction devices? The 295 rule is lame. It's not stock appearing with a 11" section width DR on the back. Make them run stock size radial tires in similar brands (Goodyear RS-A's for TC's for example). The suspension is still 100% wide open as well. I seriously went through the rules a dozen times and here's the car I would run:1987 TC, buy an ex-Super Gas car, take off the wheelie bars and chute, remove the wing, put on a stock TC hood, run 295 DR's in the rear on widened snowflakes, with an aluminum headed 460 carbed using the hoodscoops for air, 200 shot, Powerglide with a trans brake, and call it done. It would run low 9's and look "stock" even though the nose is a fiberglass 1 -piece, the doors and trunk are CF, it's been front and back halfed, and weighs less then 2800 Lbs. Sorry, that doesn't sound fun or stock.Mike: I understand your point on the rear tire issue. But let's face it. No-one, I mean no-one, will form an organization to support factory stock, factory correct drag racing for the cars built after '82. It's not going to happen. There is no money in it. Only in the "old" cars that are 35-43 yrs. old there seems to be money. The man power to inspect for date codes, casting numbers and all that uptight stuff would be crazy. I got tired of all the hype about the "musclecars" from the late 60's and early 70's being the greatest and the new cars are .I view things different. Most of these new cars are better in every way than the 1st generation of factory hot rods. I personally think the 2nd generation is better overall. Don't get me wrong, I like the old cars. I just like the new ones better.I felt it was time someone stepped forward and recognized how good we as gearheads have had it starting in 1982. That 82 Mustang GT was a breath of fresh air. A year later out came the TC. It has gotten better ever since. Man, I hope we never go back to the 74-81 the factories put out.PS: You stole my idea. Don't forget the "no race car interiors" when you build that SG/Stock appearing rig and you will have the fastest dial in there. I'll have a 4 second head start on ya tho. Quote Selected
Anyone interested in a Stock Appearance Race ? Reply #11 – April 08, 2007, 08:49:12 PM Quote from: daboss351;138911Have a limit on how much money can be put in the car for certain aspects of it? like a certain amount in the motor and drive train, suspension and brakes, just a thought. That way guys with more money won't be able have as much in so its somewhat equal across the board.daboss351: Every racing organization that has tried that plan has failed at being able to enforce it. There is absolutely no way you can stop someone from sinking money into a machine if they are dead set about being # 1. There will always be someone willing to spend everything for a few moments of glory. Quote Selected
Anyone interested in a Stock Appearance Race ? Reply #12 – April 08, 2007, 10:13:08 PM Well, There is a way to contain the money spent on an engine. You could have a rule like dirt track cars where anyone can buy your engine after a race for $500. Quote Selected
Anyone interested in a Stock Appearance Race ? Reply #13 – April 08, 2007, 10:49:15 PM Quote from: 83-88T-Bird Guy;138934The man power to inspect for date codes, casting numbers and all that uptight stuff would be crazy.Except they don't do that. Have you ever attended a FAST race? I know "musclecars" aren't your cup of tea, but you should really check it out. The rules are tight and loose at the same time. The cars really do look and sound dead stock. Absolutely NO casting #'s are checked. Clones are allowed. As long as the car with the VIN covered would ace a resto show except the #'s and driveshaft loop, they are safe. Aluminum heads and blocks are allowed (they DO file off the aftermarket names/#s), race shocks painted up like stockers, soft rate springs, etc. It would all fool anybody except a concours judge, and then even only if he checked #'s. THAT's exciting. Seeing a bunch of ex-NHRA cars that wouldn't fool a 7 year old racing against RWD conversion Focus SVT's sounds like WFC with no stickers.I say the FAST class WILL be allowing 79-93 cars very, very soon. Hemmings is running the class nowadays and the GN guys are itching to go after Dudek's HEMI. You know the 5.0 boys still want revenge on the GN's as well. Expect 427 SBC Z28 3rd Gens, 347 aluminum LX notch's, high-boost GNX's, and maybe even a certain Mustang GT Turbo too be invited as well. Read Hemming's Muscle Machines and you'll see what I'm talking about.If you really want to get a bunch of guys together, simply pick a day that the track has a T-N-T and invite everybody and their dog. Not very many cars in here are still "stock appearing" and that's the way we like it. Quote Selected
Anyone interested in a Stock Appearance Race ? Reply #14 – April 09, 2007, 06:12:08 AM Quote from: 88sportcoupe;138952Well, There is a way to contain the money spent on an engine. You could have a rule like dirt track cars where anyone can buy your engine after a race for $500.That might work except.......Car Craft Magazine tried that a few years back with a class in the NMCA assn. ( I think it was Cheap Street or something like that).The "claimer rule" class lasted less than 2 years because when someone would step up to "claim" a top finisher's engine, the car owner said "no-way"and ran home. Quote Selected
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