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About Differentials... Non-Fox Related....

Hi All.

 So long the last time i have posted here. But i check the forum every now and then, so mny new people here. It is good to know about more people interested in our now 30 old cars. Still have mine, but it is not roadworthy, i have fired last year and well...got a small fire because the improper adjustment of the carburetor literally "exploded" and fill of fuel all the engine bay. No problem, the car still lives.

  Well, i am driving currently an old Jeep Grand Cherokee 94 with full time 4wd . I work for the fire department where i live, so i needed a "reliable" (i missed this point...) car to drive between sand,water, mud, an what not. Got this truck borrowed from a friend, and the only mod i did was to put 31*10.5 R15 tires. Worked real good for some time.

    6 days ago i was driving normal and feel a "thump" at the front. I stopped at the next block and checked the front suspension, and all looked normal. Running two more blocks and feel a constant clunking noise, so i headed right to home (thankfully i was near from it...) and checked again.

    Like i said before , the truck has de 4.0 liter inline six with the quadratrack 1; for those who dont know, jeep says that there are like 50% torque between front and rear wheels all the time, so its a "true 4wd" ,and yes, gas economy is abismal, like 8 mpg at town.

        Well, back to the main idea, checked underside the truck, put in park , and no noise is produced. Put in "D" with the parking brake locked, and the front driveshaft turns, but the front diff doesnt, and the clunk is produced like 1 per second, varying with the car speed, so i think the front diff is toasted. I did an small test, mashed the gas pedal quickly and yes, no front wheel drive action.

    At this point i think i will need to rebuild the front differential. I have never done a differential rebuilt. But now i have lots and lots of tools, because i still always works on cars.

  i Have done lots of research, and some people says that is not a easy job. But i have been reading that an important part of the differential rebuild are the adjustments; backlash and bearing preload. I need a micrometer for the backlash, and a torque-meter (i have one) for the bearing preload. Apart from that, what else adjustment is critical for the rebuild. Im still researching and checking books and youtube which bring some light to this matter, but i want to know if somebody did some of this work before.

  Thanks in advance, and sorry for the typo, never learnt enough english....
1985 Mercury Cougar V6
1989 F-200 V8
1996 Explorer V6
2001 F-150

About Differentials... Non-Fox Related....

Reply #1
Check your U-joints out at the wheels, one might be broken (or you might have a broken axle shaft). I've had a lot of Jeeps and have never heard of being able to spin the front driveshaft without spinning the front axles. Older Cherokees had a front axle disconnect that would allow this, but your '94 shouldn't have one. Usually when a differential grenades you can't turn it at all (pieces jam the gears), or if the spider shaft breaks pieces of it come out through the diff housing.  If your front diff really is blown up, I'd recommend simply replacing the whole front axle assembly, hub-to-hub. It's a simple bolt-in affair (I did it on my '96 Cherokee when the track bar mount rotted off) and will save you from having to worry about setting up the differential...
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Reply #2
Hi Carmen! Good to hear about you ! I hope everything is okay in Nova Scotia!

Well, i followed your advice and inspected the U-Joints and one looks no good. I am attaching some pictures so you can see what i can talking about.

I read that joint had some balls and i think that these are missing. I looked here and i thing the CV shaft is toast. It has a lot of play and when i move by hand the noise was nearly the same.

http://www.justanswer.com/jeep/4345v-jeep-grand-cherokee-limited-drive-jeep-when-cv-joint-cyl.html

So the question here is , so i only need to go to the parts store, order the CV Passenger Side (and a 35mm nut which i dont have) remove the old one and install the new one? Im going to give some calls to see if i can get a good price.

Ill keep tuned. Thanks in advance Carmen! I´ll be shooting you with lots of questions regarding emergency lighting for vehicles, haha (its a joke). Thank you.
1985 Mercury Cougar V6
1989 F-200 V8
1996 Explorer V6
2001 F-150

 

About Differentials... Non-Fox Related....

Reply #3
Yes, that right there is your problem. There is supposed to be a metal ball in each slot in that CV joint. You might have to get the whole shaft for that side, but it's definitely your problem. You'll need to remove the brake rotor, then the wheel bearing/hub, then pull the axle out through the hole where the bearing was mounted. Not a big job...

And welcome back to the forum!
2015 Mustang GT Premium - 5.0, 6-speed, Guard Green - too much awesome for one car

1988 5.0 Thunderbird :birdsmily: SOLD SEPT 11 2010: TC front clip/hood ♣ Body & paint completed Oct 2007 ♣ 3.55 TC rear end and front brakes ♣ TC interior ♣ CHE rear control arms (adjustable lowers) ♣ 2001 Bullitt springs ♣ Energy suspension poly busings ♣ Kenne Brown subframe connectors ♣ CWE engine mounts ♣ Thundercat sequential turn signals ♣ Explorer overhead console (temp/compass display) ♣ 2.25" off-road dual exhaust ♣ T-5 transmission swap completed Jan 2009 ♣