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Reply #30 – July 08, 2012, 05:27:01 PM

Most evc4 were batch fire. Even if they were labled sefi. What was that "taurus" computer? That wouldd have set if it was batchfire or not.

I remember the "scam" you had. I didn't have a paypal which you perfered for payment, wouldn't take a check but said you would take a money order in full. Well a money order is much harder to track then a check. I offered to send you half pre and half post delivery and never heard from you again. So instead I bought some stuf locally in cash.

I "pull information form all over the web" from such un-reputable places like fordfuelinjection.com, makers of fuel injection wiring harnesses, aftermarket computers and tunera. Sbftech.com which is the most knowledgeable site I've ever visited, mainly on the eec stuff from joel5.0 . Guys a genius. Coolcats.net (we all know how un-reliable that information is) and many other places. I used to pull info from eectuning.org, but it goes over my head a bit, being as I have never done an h.o. conversion, or needed to "tune" a computer. I don't use my post count as a level of experties, and most of my posts were in the lounge. Counting several throusand from the LAST forum, I average less then 2 per day. If you factor out those posts, it puts me at about the same "post per day" as you.

Earlier in this thread, several people agree'd with me on the sd/maf debate which are way smarter then I am.

If you have something to say to me, just say it. If you would rather post up a new thread, go ahead. I have nothing to hide.

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Reply #31 – July 08, 2012, 06:46:12 PM

I didn't debate anything you had to say on the MAF vs. SD. Instead of listening to other people other places, go pull a wiring diagram on most EEC-IV vehicles...individual pins for individual injectors...the trucks had two pins at the computer...one for bank 1 and another for bank 2....THAT is what differentiates batch fire from sequential...not somebody's opinion. I told you I would help "educate" you via PM...instead you continue to "muddy up" this guys thread.

But since we're going there, I DIDN'T have paypal and told you a check or money order would be fine, but I WOULD wait for it to clear before shipping...that's the way it works when you don't have paypal....you told me you were going to pick up a money order and mail it "tomorrow", the day came and you sent me another PM saying you'd pay $500 up front and the other $500 after you recieved it to your "satisfaction"....you have 1 feedback score...we even discussed how due to crating/freight costs and your lack of buyer/seller feedback that there was no guarantee I'd ever see a second check/MO and I wasn't going to sell the whole kit for $200 because it would cost $300 to crate and ship it via truck freight. I'm very confident that I would have been out a bunch of money had I agreed to that and not because I think you're a bad person, but because you don't have much in the way of feedback.

The bottom line is, don't preach about any given topic like you alone are the source of all that is ford when you don't have the personal, hands-on experience to back it up(which you admitted to) like I do...when you take tid-bits of info from here and there and read between the lines and jumble it all together, it makes you look like...well, let's just say it doesn't look good. Dude, that's been the issue with you since day one...you do post some good info, but it seems like you post 2 bad pieces for every 1 good piece of information and you are good at wording it and coming across in a manner that people who may not know better just think you know what you're talking about.

It's NOT a personal vendetta, I just hate to see people who need help or advice get turned in the wrong direction. The only reason I mentioned the transmission debacle was so that the newer members who don't see me in here much anymore, know that I've been around.

If you have ANY thing else to say about this...please send me a PM before this thread gets locked or deleted...the OP doesn't deserve that.

Thanks,
Don

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Reply #32 – July 09, 2012, 12:10:51 AM

Haystack and Don, I have no beef with either one of you. I have not engaged with Don in conversation on any thread previous to this one. Haystack on the other hand, I have. Haystack's posts to me seem to be right on. I don't care if it is from his own experience or from a conglomeration of info from elsewhere. I do know automotive repair quite well, but lack in the modification portion of it. This site and people like Haystack help me a lot. I hope you two settle your differences, preferably elsewhere. The whole transmission thing appears to be ages ago and should stay dead and buried. Thank both of you for your help. Please feel free to post on this thread again. Just please stay on topic and friendly to one another..................sometimes I feel like a moderator. lol

Thanks,
Derik

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Reply #33 – July 09, 2012, 01:22:51 AM

Sorry chrome. Didn't mean to muddy up your thread.

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Reply #34 – July 09, 2012, 12:20:04 PM

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The bottom line is, don't preach about any given topic like you alone are the source of all that is ford when you don't have the personal, hands-on experience to back it up(which you admitted to) like I do...when you take tid-bits of info from here and there and read between the lines and jumble it all together, it makes you look like...well, let's just say it doesn't look good. Dude, that's been the issue with you since day one...you do post some good info, but it seems like you post 2 bad pieces for every 1 good piece of information and you are good at wording it and coming across in a manner that people who may not know better just think you know what you're talking about.

It's NOT a personal vendetta, I just hate to see people who need help or advice get turned in the wrong direction. The only reason I mentioned the transmission debacle was so that the newer members who don't see me in here much anymore, know that I've been around.

Stack's not perfect (NONE of us are), but he's been pretty good about what he posts. I think 2 bad pieces for one good is a bit over exaggerated to be honest.

Also...From a completely outside perspective.....It DOES sound personal.

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I hope you two settle your differences, preferably elsewhere. The whole transmission thing appears to be ages ago and should stay dead and buried.

THIS.

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Reply #35 – July 11, 2012, 06:00:02 PM

When somebody posts something from someone else's experiences or what they read somewhere, I think that should be noted...like "hey, my buddy had good results with this or that"...but he comes off like he's done it all when it's quite the opposite...and that does offend me on a personal level. That's the last of this topic you'll hear from me. Haystack, I hope you do PM me, I enjoy sharing what I know and have done.

Any progress on this issue Chrome?

Back to machining valvespring seats on my heads.

Good luck,
Don

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Reply #36 – July 11, 2012, 10:29:06 PM

How about ijnstead of being a prick, you make your own thread? I don't have a problem speaking with you, but I have nothing say that I feel needs to be kept to myself. I certainetly won't learn anything from you.

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Reply #37 – July 14, 2012, 12:58:27 PM

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How about ijnstead of being a prick, you make your own thread? I don't have a problem speaking with you, but I have nothing say that I feel needs to be kept to myself. I certainetly won't learn anything from you.

I guess you telling me that I didn't fix a car by replacing the ECM with the proper unit(because according to you, who wasn't there, it had a vacuum leak that magically went away with the proper ECM), you posting incorrect information about batch fire/sequential injection(and then arguing it) and you refusing to carry on this conversation privately makes ME the prick. Welcome to the problem with society, it's always somebody else's fault.

We don't need to make a new thread(for an arguement) and we don't have to hold anything back, but we also need to not have this conversation in a public forum...there is no call for it. If you're closed off to the opportunity to learn something new, especially in the automotive field, I feel sorry for you...how can someone be so certain of these technical aspects with no experiences of their own. If I go read a book on quantum physics tonight, it doesn't mean I belong teaching the masses about it. There is always someone out there who knows more than you and I don't mean you specifically, but all of us. No matter how much knowledge any of us has, there is somebody out there with more...if you're closed off to learning from those people because you have too much pride in the fact that you think you know it all, then you'll never be able to better yourself.

If you respond with more mud-slinging and name calling it will only show your level of immaturity. I've only responded here because you reverted to childish name-calling instead of using intellect and reason to try and explain your side....if you respond in kind again, I'll respond back...but I strongly suggest you respond via PM. Unless you simply enjoy making a public spectacle of yourself....I've said it more times than I care to remember, this conversation needs to be carried on privately...you can call me whatever you want via PM without risk of "looking bad" if and when proven wrong.

-Don

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Reply #38 – July 21, 2012, 10:59:47 PM

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If you've got a very hairy cam, and/or bigger injectors, you could very well get the results you have.

Give us a little background on the HO swap? What injectors are in the engine? What eec? Any visible mods? Short of measuring the lift as Darren suggested there's really no sure way to tell what cam is in the car without pulling it out. I'm not even sure a Mass Air eec would let the engine run without there being an M/A meter in place...

(looking a gift horse in the mouth alert)

This one has me scratching my head. For my HO conversion we put in a 1992 Mustang cam, 19# Ford Racing injectors, Explorer upper and lower intake, and GT-40 racing heads. On the exhaust side are Flowtech headers and custom duals from an exhaust shop. And, of course, there's an AFPR.

The car is running terrific. Once the RPM's climb, it's a rocket, and the icing on the cake is that if I take it easy, gas mileage is great. Coming back from Carlisle I got 28.0 mpg (though gutting and rebuilding the trans probably had a lot to do with it).

The weird part? It's still using my stock 5.0 SD computer. It actually ran worse when the guy tried the A9P.

If it ain't broke, I say don't fix it, but it's still weird.

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Reply #39 – July 22, 2012, 02:21:20 PM

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(looking a gift horse in the mouth alert)

This one has me scratching my head. For my HO conversion we put in a 1992 Mustang cam, 19# Ford Racing injectors, Explorer upper and lower intake, and GT-40 racing heads. On the exhaust side are Flowtech headers and custom duals from an exhaust shop. And, of course, there's an AFPR.

The car is running terrific. Once the RPM's climb, it's a rocket, and the icing on the cake is that if I take it easy, gas mileage is great. Coming back from Carlisle I got 28.0 mpg (though gutting and rebuilding the trans probably had a lot to do with it).

The weird part? It's still using my stock 5.0 SD computer. It actually ran worse when the guy tried the A9P.

If it ain't broke, I say don't fix it, but it's still weird.

Did "the guy" run the wiring for the MAF and move around the necessary pins? If you did then I'd say you could trust it, otherwise you might want to go through and check it...I think I would trust YOUR electrical work more than anybody elses, I've seen your work. Have you tried a different computer? In order to verify that isn't the issue.

Good luck to both of you on it.

-Don

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Reply #40 – July 22, 2012, 07:01:12 PM

:mad:Good question. Someday I might try it myself, but first I need to get the 12" scratch someone left last night on my rear wheelwell fixed

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Reply #41 – July 25, 2012, 11:00:22 AM

Is the MAF even under the hood? Did the person who did the conversion disconnect the vacuum line from the BAP? This has to be done in order for things to work properly with the MAF conversion. The BAP should be left open to atmosphere and the line going the manifold capped. Other than that read this when you have some time as it is pretty much straight forward on the conversion:

http://www.corral.net/tech/powerplant/maf_tech_2.html

Darren

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Reply #42 – July 30, 2012, 08:22:50 PM

Trans guy was disturbed by the rough idle. He has not gotten anywhere with the trans. (TV cable apparently not the issue). He found that the Map sensor was not getting any vacuum. Later I will see where I had it hooked and where he put it. Purrs like a kitten now. No more black smoke. Idle is too high though. I will be checking for a vacuum leak, but most likely it will be IAC. The upper intake shows signs of being in the weather with the TB still on it. I plan on swapping it with my old one just to see. If that fixes it, I will get a replacement. SD system will stay in place!