I cant figure this out 2.3 acting up ?

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I cant figure this out 2.3 acting up ?

March 19, 2009, 02:38:27 PM

Ok i done alot of replacing of parts. All of this is new some i took back and tryed others just to be sure .So heres what i replaced TFI module,PIP sensor,dist.cap,rotor,plug wires,plugs,fuel pump,fuel filter, pressure regulator,and timing belt.Ok the car starts and runs if i leave it idleing it will die after idleing for 2 to 3 mins stalls out if engine is warm ,if its cold it will idle for 10 to 15 mins. before stalling out.When i drive the car it spits and sputers from 2800 to 4700 rpms before straigting up does this in all gears.I have checked the timing marks they all line up just fine,the timing is set at 10*btdc on #1 cyl.I even checked it on # 4 cyl to see if the distbortor was worn out it read 10*btdc.I took the new TFI and PIP back exchanged them out for new one the guy at the parts store is a buddy and i used motorcraft parts .I dont hear a vaspooge leak not saying there aint one just dont hear one. Ok the codes i am pulling are
14/TFI,PIP
27/speed sencer
41/ego lean
42/ego rich
65/closed loop
72/mass air flow/Map
those where from just key on test in memory i cleared the memory drove the car and they all came back it also flashed code 11 before the memory codes poped up.
the key on engine running test just gave a code 77
Thats all i got anyone got any thoughts im hitting a wall right now with it, maybe if i let it sit a few days then go at it again it might hit me but for now anything helpfull would be a blessing .

I cant figure this out 2.3 acting up ?

Reply #1 – March 19, 2009, 05:33:25 PM

I hope you disconnected the SPOUT when you set the timing.

KOER code 77: Goose test failed or you didn't do the goose test when you should have.

Mem code 72: ECA had a recent power loss.

Mem code 14 is the one you should concentrate on first

You can't use the Check Engine light for the following proceedure.
You need a meter or test light where you can see it while under the hood.

1. Run KOEO, when the first code is received pull the jumper off. This should reset the Memory codes. Rerun KOEO with the jumper on to verify the Mem codes are cleared.
2. Run KOER. When it has finished sending codes, wait for two minutes. You will now be in what they call "Engine running continuous monitor test"
3. Start jiggling wires and tapping around the TFI and SPOUT connector. See if you can make the test light light or the meter flick.
If you can then run KOEO and see if you created a Mem code 14.

I cant figure this out 2.3 acting up ?

Reply #2 – March 19, 2009, 06:16:36 PM

Yes I took the spout conector off. I put a new tfi and pip on keep getting code 14 so I took the new ones off and replaced them with anouther set of new motorcraft ones. Still same results I did clear the codes correctly my uncle had a code reader I used on the last 2 times I've done it. Going to replace all vaspooge lines needs it anyways. Going to get a fuel pressure gauge this weekend and check that maybe got a bad fuel pump. Like I said any sugestion will be appreciated. And thank you softtouch its always good to have anouther reminder I will do the wire jiggling forgot that one.

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Reply #3 – March 19, 2009, 07:10:26 PM

the map/mass air sensor also modify's your air/fuel ratio. See if you can jack one off of another ford car and just plug it in to see what happends. I pulled on off my sisters 2.3 tempo and plugged it into both a 3.8 and 5.0 and it seemed to work fine.

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Reply #4 – March 20, 2009, 08:34:22 AM

the "mass air sensor" is located in your VAM under the air box and can only be replaced with another VAM so dont even try to plug in some random mass air sensor because it wont work. check the voltage on your tps and see if it has any dead spots when you work the throttle. the tps is what controls your lean/rich ratio and you want your voltage to be around .97-.99 while probing the black wire for a ground and the green wire for your voltage.

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Reply #5 – March 20, 2009, 09:08:55 AM

Do a "wiggle" test on the TFI plug while the car is running.

I've had them go bad and cause issues.

If wiggling the connector/wires around causes the car to stumble or even die, then replace that connector (you'll have to splice a new one in).

How are your grounds?

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Reply #6 – March 20, 2009, 09:20:52 AM

+1 on grounds, check the firewall and fenderwall connections, too. When you check the TFI and spout plugs, see if someone has messed with the harness, there might be a short in the wiring.

btw, I'd be surprised if anything from a Tempo engine works on the TC.

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Reply #7 – March 20, 2009, 08:13:09 PM

Ok i found the problem.The rubber hose that came with the fuel pump was bad it was colasping on it self. After replacing it i drove it for an hour then checked codes code 11 and that was it. my tps voltage is .95 , and the wiggle test didnt throw up any codes.I want to thank everybody for there help now all i need is a burnout video and get it cleaned up for some local car shows :burnout: :burnout:

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Reply #8 – March 20, 2009, 11:54:34 PM

I should have read better. I didn't realize it was a turbo.

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Reply #9 – March 21, 2009, 01:52:25 AM

I should have read the symptoms more closely. I just had to do the same repair, after going through all those same steps. Only difference is, the line was split, not cavitating.

I cant figure this out 2.3 acting up ?

Reply #10 – March 21, 2009, 03:08:18 AM

wiggle test works better with yoru radio on and set to an AM band. You will hear pops and cracks when you find a bad connection.

I cant figure this out 2.3 acting up ?

Reply #11 – March 21, 2009, 09:03:50 PM

i should have said turbo in the header my bad sorry guys .drove the car a litle over 300 miles today for a hazmat training class . i done the fill the tank up rest odomater drive car then fill up tank again then divide miles driven to gallons used and i was gettin 27 mpgs could have done better but my rear tires aint going to last long :burnout: :hick: . im happy