Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ

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Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ

Reply #30 – July 05, 2008, 12:16:55 AM

Quote from: 1WLD BRD;225970

thank you for your advice... how do I get rid of the VAM? I havent had any luck with the bearings in the bottom of any of my cars so the 2 step idea doesnt sit well with me. I tried launching at 4000rpm but obviously there was no boost til I started rolling... How hard is it to wire in an MSD ignition in one of these?

You will need to have a chip burned to eliminate it and go to speed density or go to a standalone system or there is always carb:D .

The 2 step will be vital that or leave at 5-6 grand dropping the clutch
I could see 15 psi with a 4k pill in mine I would put it on the 2 step when the first yellow came on.
I doubt you will hurt the bottom end there tough kinda like a mini 460 in the pan:hick:

Same to wire it up as it is a 5.0 mustang or bird use the TFI adapter
Follow the 4 cyl instructions on setting up the rev limit you have to clip the orange and brown wires under the black cap with the small phillips screw.

Biggest thing here is you cant be scared to hurt it these things are like tanks it takes alot

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Reply #31 – July 05, 2008, 01:58:24 AM

Quote from: 1WLD BRD;225970

I havent had any luck with the bearings in the bottom of any of my cars so the 2 step idea doesnt sit well with me.

These things will take more abuse on the bottom end than a 5.0L will.

here's one example.

http://www.stinger-performance.com/bolton.html

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Reply #32 – July 05, 2008, 08:37:59 AM

K enough bashin the 5.0L,i'll pit mine against anyone on here's 2.3L and still win, i don't care what you have in it or how much money you've spent.
The 2.3L at high horse power levels(400+) is not reliable for the street PERIOD.
A 5.0L at the 400+ runs dead reliable with no extra tinkering and will idle smooth all day long(all you 2.3L guys need to reread the last 2 sentences as i don't want to hear, what do you mean there not reliable,at 400+, they just aren't, you will encounter constant idle/driveability issues at those levels for a DAILY read again DAILY driver at those hp levels and it would just not be enjoyable on the street from light to light with no boost at low rpm,having to launch at 5000rpm plus) my 5.0L starts building boost at 2400rpm from my SQ trim not 3000rpm like the 2.3L(i know i had one running 18psi).
From a light on the STREET(read again)STREET you will get dusted from every stop light doing 5000rpm launches with street tires(can anyone say tire smoke).
Again i'm looking for reliability here folks not handling or weight
(i don't autocross my car on city streets,i drive in a fairly straight line like everyone else from light to light) and THAT'S where it COUNTS!
Not at the track in a fake enviroment with non street tires and a sticky track,on the STREET folks, from light to straight line light!
Now in all honesty RON you do beat on your 5.0L's and they are very well seasoned if you get my meaning when you get them so there is your issues with bearings.
If when you get your next 5.0L you throw in a new set of lower end rod and crank bearings you should be good to go.
Did it to my 3.8L SC with 172k on it when i had it out(glad i did)and it ran perfect and had no noises when i swapped it from the 91 to the 89 but i figured while it was on the stand and for 150 bucks it was cheap insurance.
After pulling my rod bearings they where worn down to the copper but where still not noisy,like i said cheap insurance for anyone who has an engine out on the stand.
As for the swap ron,you've got all the parts(i think) and my writeup which covers it all in detail,just do it, you know you'll be happier.
Sell the 2.3L and use the dough for 5.0L performance parts.

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Reply #33 – July 05, 2008, 08:50:55 AM

I was commenting on the glaringly incorrect claim that the 5.0's were "cleaner" than the 2.3T and not which engine was the better stoplight warrior...which is NOT all that counts anyway.

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Reply #34 – July 05, 2008, 09:04:38 AM

haha... thanks Chris, your right I do drive my cars hard, but ya know something? the bottom end is still solid on the Cougar... guess I learned my lesson on when to beat them and when to just putter around, LOL.
I still have a few parts to aquire for the swap, mainly a decent used motor, but I should have that next weekend. an explorer 302 with 100kms. will be sufing GTAMC to aquire the rest of the parts needed.

Well I have never had a 5.0L motor have troubles passing an Emissions test and this one fialed by a HUGE amount, even though it runs great and doesnt smoke... hell I removed EVERYTHING for emissions besides the cats on my '85 and I still aced its last test. the tester laughed and shook his head. He couldnt believe it passed. might just be my 2.3, but I dont call it cleaner. of course this one has had so much thrown at it that I dont even know if all the emissions shiznit is still functional. probably not as half the other good stuff is gone... (ABS and PRC)

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Reply #35 – July 05, 2008, 09:59:12 AM

I say compromise and put a 3.8 in it.

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Reply #36 – July 05, 2008, 10:21:10 AM

Chris, while I'm not trying to feed the fire in you "the 5.0 is God" argument. There are a handful of guys down in Florida that make 400+ horsepower in their street cars and daily drivers. If you hop on turboford.net, and talk to svojohn, as him about his car, and his buddies cars. They mostly run holsets, head work, moderate cams, big valve heads, blow through VAM, big injectors and a tweecer. The biggest issue with these cars is the tune. Did you know that the VAM is pegged at roughly 3000rpms, and it's running full rich? You also know, that a stock fuel pressure, and stock brown top injectors, you'll start going lean at 17psi from a T3? Now imagine a holset. Also, like Sleeper said, the VAM, majorly chokes these cars out.

These engines have a lot of power potential, but what makes them "unreliable" is the electronics and the tune. The only issue I've had as of recently is that I run a little rich, and occasionally have a hiccup, and that's because of my ECT sensor.

My car might not make 400 horsepower, but out here on the street, it put a hurtin on a lot of different cars, and upset a lot of people. I've had my ass handed to me, but they were mid 12's cars, and they SHOULD have hurt my feelings.

RJ, does the car still have EGR? EGR is the biggest emmissions contributor on these cars. Mine failed horribly also, and I've got to put the EGR back on. I didn't do anything different with this car other than EGR that last time it went through emmissions, and it passed.

As for your launch, how did you launch? On my car, I can rev it to 3-3500, and come up to the release point, and the car not move, then at the last yellow, slip it out, get 10-12psi of boost, and come off of it and get the nose up. I just put a new clutch in it yesterday, if I can get it to stop chattering, and I can learn this clutch in time, I'll show you at catjam.

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Reply #37 – July 05, 2008, 12:32:10 PM

thats about how I was launching. first launch I forgot I wasnt in a 5.0L and I dumped the clutch at 3500. bogged it big time, second run I slipped the clutch and power shifted every gear. third run I launched at 4500 slipping it...stayed beside a Subaru WRX of the line but then he just walked away, and mine just died off as I was going down the track...

I need alot more work into this thing to take advantage of what it has already, as you said on AIM Shawn....

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Reply #38 – July 05, 2008, 01:22:10 PM

Quote from: 1WLD BRD;225954

60'..........2.578
1/4...........16.062
MPH..........87.25

60'..........2.529
1/4...........15.896
MPH..........89.21

the car was comming out of the hole clean

a 2.5 short time is comin out of the hole clean?? i was pullin 2.1's with an IRS and stiffly sprug autoX suspension

my car is goin faster w/less done to it and an itty bitty turbo....

Quote from: 1WLD BRD;226004

I need alot more work into this thing to take advantage of what it has already, as you said on AIM Shawn....

i usually dont enjoy quoting myself, but you have received advice here, talked to shawn and probly others, but have done very little to try and get more from the car. all i have seen other than welding the ends of the IC pipes has been complaining and bashin about the cars current performance. if youre not gonna even try to fix the issues its got, how can you expect it to get better? if you dont take steps to improve the situation, why continue to ?

Quote from: gumby;224371

...if you want to even try to make that car come alive i would suggest a few things:
BPV or BOV
adjustable cam gear
better intercooler
take some time and learn how to drive it
*snipped*

anyone who has driven a big low end torque motor and a 2.3T back to back can attest to the fact that the 2.3T takes some gettin used to in order to see it perform. a good friend of mine and i went back to back rounds in norwalk, OH, swapping rides in between. he had a supercharged 4.0 97 ranger reg.cab. i had a 2.3T powered 89 ranger reg.cab.
first run i went 14.6 to his 14.8
swapped rides and i went 15.4 in his truck and he went 16.7 in mine! over two seconds lost to driving technique.

i left the "learn how to drive it" in the quote cause your 60ft shows that there is still room to learn more. in my experience, slipping is better than dumping unless you wanna hook up a 2step, but you still hafta find that sweet spot between buildin boost, max traction, and burning up the clutch; that takes practice. im sure there is more in that car as it sits, just like my buddie who lost +2sec when he jumped in my turboranger.

now obviously the combo under the hood is not ideal, but even as it sits you can optimize the situation if you choose to. what RPM are you seeing full boost in third gear with that holset?
as far as ditchin the VAM, tuning, and stand alones, i figure thats all a waste of time and money for this car as you would never be happy with the 2.3T under the hood anyhow.
hell, im still confused why a guy so dead set against a 2.3T would even buy this car in the first place. you claimed it was for the extra goodies a TC comes with:

Quote from: 1WLD BRD;223724

and as for starting with a V8? if they came with the ABS and ARC I would... I doubt it is easy to swap that stuff to a V8 model....

but purchased a car where that equipment had already been removed??

Quote from: 1WLD BRD;223724

probably not as half the other good stuff is gone... (ABS and PRC)

if youre gonna swap it, then swap it....theres no need to continually drag up your hatred for the 2.3T. if you cant hack it, just get rid of it.

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Reply #39 – July 05, 2008, 07:12:17 PM

Quote from: dominator;225988

K enough bashin the 5.0L,i'll pit mine against anyone on here's 2.3L and still win, i don't care what you have in it or how much money you've spent.

buhahaha..

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Reply #40 – July 05, 2008, 07:19:18 PM

id trade a 5.0 block, gt40 heads and intake for that 2.3 IF i had a ranger for it.....

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Reply #41 – July 05, 2008, 09:50:29 PM

Quote from: gumby;226010

a 2.5 short time is comin out of the hole clean?? i was pullin 2.1's with an IRS and stiffly sprug autoX suspension my car is goin faster w/less done to it and an itty bitty turbo....

i usually dont enjoy quoting myself, but you have received advice here, talked to shawn and probly others, but have done very little to try and get more from the car. all i have seen other than welding the ends of the IC pipes has been complaining and bashin about the cars current performance. if youre not gonna even try to fix the issues its got, how can you expect it to get better? if you dont take steps to improve the situation, why continue to ?

i left the "learn how to drive it" in the quote cause your 60ft shows that there is still room to learn more.

now obviously the combo under the hood is not ideal, but even as it sits you can optimize the situation if you choose to. what RPM are you seeing full boost in third gear with that holset?
as far as ditchin the VAM, tuning, and stand alones, i figure thats all a waste of time and money for this car as you would never be happy with the 2.3T under the hood anyhow.
hell, im still confused why a guy so dead set against a 2.3T would even buy this car in the first place. you claimed it was for the extra goodies a TC comes with:
but purchased a car where that equipment had already been removed??
if youre gonna swap it, then swap it....theres no need to continually drag up your hatred for the 2.3T. if you cant hack it, just get rid of it.

ok for one, I am currently unemployed at cant afford to throw money at a load of parts to try and optimise this thing.. hell I cant even afford to go to CJ but I am coming anyways...

It will take about $1500 worth of shiznit or more to get the max out of this combo. I just bought a complete and running low milage '96 explorer 302 for it for $500, that will give me better performace stock then this thing has now... even optimized. I already have the rest of the stuff to do the swap.

as for your comment about weather or not I left cleanly..... were you there? DOUBT IT. by cleanly, that usually means with out wheelspin. and trust me, that is ALL it has, the thing is a turd of the line AND down the track.

and you can keep your learn how to drive it comments to yourself because if you had a clue, you could see that the enitre thing wasnt running worth a shiznit from start to finish, and it wasnt cause of my driving.
had I of known the guy deleted the goodies before I solidified the deal over line I would have walked away from it, unfortunatly I am a man of my word, and figured I would give it a shot anyways..... thankfully the ABS is an easy fix.
where the f**K do you get that I am dead set against the 2.3T?!?!? why? because I plan to swap it out that means Im against it? LMAO ok..... I have nothing against it, besides the lack of torque.

although with this car.... trust me, the only real thing that I like on it is the Holset, because it will be big enough for a mild 302, and make twice the power with one too. and reliably with out a bucket full of cash. that and it has every other option I would get. and the body is in great shape. another plus is the fuel mileage....

and I dont keep "draging up my hatred for the 2.3L" mainly because there is none, (when it is on the street, I have a blast with it. just it is a gutless POS that I would seel in a heart beat if I can find a buyer for it, and get my money back....) it is the retards that like to keep digging up an issue that has long since been dropped. and keep bitching about someone wanting to swap a different motor into there own car, so DROP IT! you have a problem with me swapping a motor into MY car, tough sh*t., you spoke your mind about wheather or not I should do it, now drop it thanks.

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if you cant hack it, just get rid of it.

I believe that is what the swap ia all about... getting rid of it... :flip: thanks for the advice, even though you already said you are against the swap.... pick a side of the fence would ya?

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Reply #42 – July 05, 2008, 10:12:37 PM

Quote from: 1WLD BRD;226048

thanks for the advice, even though you already said you are against the swap.... pick a side of the fence would ya?

its your car, there is no side of the fence for me. i have never cared what you do with your car, so dont try to lump me in with the closed minded people on either side of that fence.
please quote where i stated i was against the swap...all i could find was this:

Quote from: gumby;224371

...frankly it dont matter to me...

as to the rest of your post, consider it dropped. i see no point in continuing down this spiral.

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Reply #43 – July 08, 2008, 11:21:20 PM

I learned something for ya after getting my swap back together. If you are on stock injectors, you should DEFINATELY NOT BE ABOVE 12PSI!!!!! My car is pushing a 14:1 AFR at 6000 rpm. Its still around 12:1 at 5000rpm though. I am running 15 degrees base timing, but I am running fully home ported head, boport 1.9 cam(biggest I could get without having to have clearance machinework done), gutted upper, ported lower intake, that twin scroll header I showed you, HX-35, 46mm wastegate, and STOCK electronix. VAM and Injectors DONT cut it. I think I have the VAM maxed out just by the fact of what it is doing while watching the stuff inside while reving it in the driveway. It is half open with no load on it and making no boost with a WOT rev.