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Suspension Upgrades - what are you running?

I'm wondering who is running what when it comes to upgraded suspensions? What springs, struts/shocks, caster/camber plates, panhard bar, etc. I'm looking into some mods and I'm wonder what you have.

IF YOUR UPGRADE IS JUST SHOCKS AND STRUTS, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR!
So you have a V8.......isn't that cute.

Suspension Upgrades - what are you running?

Reply #1
I push that button that makes it go firm.
It's Gumby's fault.

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Reply #2
Well, mine is still not where I want it to be, but here's what I have ATM

Front -
- stock K-member with relocated pick-up points. Did this 6-7 years ago.
- Koni struts w/ C-kit springs
- custom c/c plates with mucho postive caster
- 33mm sway bar
- poly bushings through-out

Rear-
- Old KB-style adjustable control arms with spherical rod ends.
- 25mm sway bar
- Konis
- SN-95 convert springs
- relocated LCA point at rear axle

Plus all the chassis stiffening.

I am not really happy with the current set-up, esp the rear.

I will be making changes here "soon" as follows:

- New K-member with revised pick-up points like current, but raised roll center.  Have it in the garage, but need to mod it to mount the I6. :hick:
- coil-overs on the front (I want the C springs for my Z-7 ;) )
- rework the rear suspension.  Long term is a custom IRS, but that's on temporary hold, so I'll probably to a 3-link similar to the EVM one with a panhard bar.  Coil-overs are a possibility.  My main concern is lowering the rear roll center, and I don't like using a p-hard bar w/ the Fox 4-link (it works "OK" this way, but not great), and I will not use a torque arm.
- redo strut towers with new "tops".  I'm basically going to weld in new plates on top with provisions for better 4-bolt c/c plates and I'll add provisions for better mounting of the STB.
Long live the 4-eyes!  - '83 Tbird Turbo - '85 Marquis LTS - '86 LTD Wagon

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Reply #3
chuck, i have a couple questions on you setup.

- are the mods the to the k member the same as the ones in the mustang 2 handling book (1st book is motor)?
- are you using the sn95 spindles?
- are you droping the LCA mounting points 1-2" like the southside bars?
- 33mm and 25mm bars are the stock ones, correct?

right now i'm usingthe following on my 86....

front:
- 87-88 Koni reds
- 11" mustang/tbird spindels
- MM caster/camber plates
- poly bushings on frame and end links of stock sway bar

rear:
- KYB gas-a-just shocks
- MM lower control arms
- 87-88 8.8 rear with mustang axels. (note - I know this makes the  rear track of the car narrower by 3/4" on each side)

everything else is stock on the suspension.

also, do you have anymore pics of the 83?
So you have a V8.......isn't that cute.

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Reply #4
Quote from: motormenace
chuck, i have a couple questions on you setup.

- are the mods the to the k member the same as the ones in the mustang 2 handling book (1st book is motor)?
- are you using the sn95 spindles?
- are you droping the LCA mounting points 1-2" like the southside bars?
- 33mm and 25mm bars are the stock ones, correct?

right now i'm usingthe following on my 86....

front:
- 87-88 Koni reds
- 11" mustang/tbird spindels
- MM caster/camber plates
- poly bushings on frame and end links of stock sway bar

rear:
- KYB gas-a-just shocks
- MM lower control arms
- 87-88 8.8 rear with mustang axels. (note - I know this makes the  rear track of the car narrower by 3/4" on each side)

everything else is stock on the suspension.

also, do you have anymore pics of the 83?


No, the mounting points are different than in the "book".  I also didn't use the longer control arms, so I didn't move the points in like they show.  I'm using 94-95 spindles on the front and the rear CA point is dropped about 1"...don't remember exactly...I'd have to check. The "drag strip" drop on the Southsides is too much for the twisties. The rear bar is stock from a 96-ish Cobra, the front is stock Fox.

No new pics since I got the cage painted, and the car is hidden in the garage now that the snows are flying, and it's hard to get any pics in there anyway.
Long live the 4-eyes!  - '83 Tbird Turbo - '85 Marquis LTS - '86 LTD Wagon

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Reply #5
what does lowering the mounting points of the LCA's do? allow for more motion, or reduce axle roll?

i lowered my car  1 1/2 - 2"  used H&R springs in back and eibachs up front. i have KYB AGX adjustable struts up front, MM cc plates, mustang 91 k member, steeda strut tower brace, KB full length sub frame connectors, 8.8 rear conversion with cobra rear disk brakes, che adjustable upper and lower  trailing arms, reinforced torqu boxes, pinion snuber off a tc, 13" cobra brakes up front with sn95 hubs  and redesigned front control arms with different bushings, sport swaybars same as tc but the back is a tad bit bigger, poly swaybar bushings and end links. and i think thats it.

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Reply #6
I really dont have much of anything on my car at the moment...been spending most of my money on the new engine I put in at the beginning of the summer (and still am spending money on it, buying a new cam and whatnot). However, currently I just have poly swaybar bushings, aftermarket endlinks, and a '99 GT rear swaybar (7/8"). In the works are subframe connectors, MM strut tower brace & K-member brace, and maybe CHE control arms (I sure would like to have a set of those), and I'd also like to pull the front springs and maybe cut a half coil off them since the driver's side one has about that much broke off already anyway.

Garrett H.
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Reply #7
Quote from: Manson
what does lowering the mounting points of the LCA's do? allow for more motion, or reduce axle roll?


Increases anti-dive/squat a bit...helps cut down on the tendency for these cars to nosedive under hard braking and gives a little more traction.
Long live the 4-eyes!  - '83 Tbird Turbo - '85 Marquis LTS - '86 LTD Wagon

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Reply #8
I haven't got many mods yet but there are more to follow as soon as I recover from my engine spending.

I've got on the front:

TC springs w/1 coil removed
Urethane sway bar bushings
1 5/16 TC sway bar
MM camber plates
MM strut bar
Monroe Sensatrac struts
All other suspension on the front is stock.

The rear is completely stock with a TC rear sway bar.

So how does it handle? Roll stiffness improved dramatically in front with the poly sway bar bushings. The monroe dampers seem like an allright match for the cut TC springs although rebound seems a little light. Compression is pretty tight though. I think Koni reds would be a better match. But they'll have to wait until I install my ST springs.

Camber plates should be the first suspension mod anyone makes to these cars. Equalizing my negative camber and adding positive caster has made the steering feel much tighter and more resposive. The tires dont scrub near like they did in a slow very tight turn and the jacking affect my car had is gone.

It helps greatly when evaluating your suspesion set up to break down a turn into sections like this:

Entry/braking zone
Cut zone/turn in
Accellaration zone
Exit

So basically what happens with my car in a u-turn situation on a rural divided road is this. High speed (2nd gear) corner entry is stable under braking. There is still more brake dive than I'd like but that has improved greatly with the addition of positive caster. Then I cut the wheel for the turn and the front end understeers. At this point I'm off the brakes and not accelarating yet. One thing that I suspect would help this would be to increase rear roll stiffness to induce a bit more oversteer or go with a smaller front bar. Anyway, for now all I can do is reduce steering input or slow down a bit on corner entry. At this point I'm a bit past the mid point of the turn, understeer is under control and I'm hitting the accelleration zone where I'm on the throttle. Here the car transitions to oversteer under power. But at least it's controlable and not excessive wheel spin or snap oversteer so I'm set up for a pretty decent exit line. And that's basically it.

The above example is probably the worst type of turn for these nose heavy modified Mac Strut cars but it really puts the car to the test.  I still need to fiddle with my alignment a little and definitely work on my driving!

I haven't had the car on an auto x course yet so I'm not sure how it's transitional response will be, such as through a slalom, but I hope to be ready by March!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
86 5.0 Turbocoupe (Katrina), 87 5.0 Sport (Rita)

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Reply #9
This is what I HAD on darkthunder...

Front

-MM Caster/Camber plates
-98 SN-95 Spindles
-Bullitt Tokico Struts/Springs
-ES Rack Bushings (wish i went solid)
-MM Steering Shaft
-FRPP Control Arms
-Prothane Swaybar bushings
-ES Endlinks
-ES Trans Mount
-ES Motor Mounts

Rear

-Bullitt Tokico Shocks/Springs (flipped brackets or not)
-Mustang Rear
-Stock Bushings
-Bullitt Rear Swaybar (sometimes, friend kept stealing it)

Verdict, second best handling car I've ever drove. Corners where my best friends... I can't believe I tore it apart. :yuck:
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For the 88TC this is what I plan on:

Front

-MM C/C Plates
-Sensatrac's
-MM Solid Rack Bushings
-FRPP Control Arms
-??? Endlinks
-Prothane Swaybar Bushings
-Chuck's Motor Mounts (hopefully soon!) :D
-ES Trans Mount
-Competition Engineering Solid Xmember Bushing

Rear

-Sensatrac's
-CHE Control Arms
-Subframe Connectors
-Steeda Spherical Bushings (maybe)

The TC will be my daily so I don't want to go overboard yet. Focus on rebuild darkthunder again.
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Reply #10
all my parts are sitting in the corner of my bedroom wating for more parts ( k member) and some free time and motivation :(
 
i wont bother posting what they are though as i cant comment first hand as to how well they handle.
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