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Reply #30 – December 30, 2009, 10:37:58 AM

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I didn't mean for it to become a huge ordeal, lol. Just a simple piece of metal and a grinder and spray balm and an hour. I know the guys around here who do the sticks just look at what the motor says, they don't inspect or count plugs or what not..

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It's not a huge ordeal. I don't care what you do, It just isn't legal. And your mechanic is a clown. If he goes by the friggin sticker to determine engine type he really should lose his cert.

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Technically I don't have anything to hide, except some of the factory replacement things are different than factory. For examply, the replacement y pipes do not have cats in them, the factory one did.

Technically or otherwise, obviously you do have issues to hide.

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The replacement system has one cat in the intermediate pipe(i think thats what its called). Thats enough for them to reject it, because in thier mind its missing emmsions equiptment. Walker is the only system out of three I tried that the y pipe was even close, and I'm not putting a custom system on the car, its a dd. There could be a dozen of "differences" like this that I'm not even aware of, like the turbo coupe hood, didn't come on the car, why is it there, like this.

Well that's too bad then isn't it? Rules are rules, I didn't right them. You could have thrown mustang headers on it and an H pipe just as easy. You probably should have made the swap worth while dropping a HO in there actually. They cant say jack about the hood, your making things out worse than they are.

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And if they find a couple of things, it all has to be changed and then reinspected by them. All said and done, it could be a lot of money, or it could be a few small changes, kind of a big gamble though.

That's the way it is man. No biggie if things are in order. But do what you gotta do i guess. Personally i try to do things that make sense and i chose to do things the legal way. If you couldn't afford to do it the correct way and the legal way, then you should have just left the V6 in there.

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Reply #31 – December 30, 2009, 10:45:19 AM

Recently here in Ma a 89 ish saleen convertable went up for sale. Gorgeous, flawless car. The guy listed it on a forum. A local guy 20 minuts away had cash in hand and wanted to see the car. The seller avoided him and woudn't return emails or calls for some reason but was working with someone 2000 miles away who was prepared to buy the thing sight unseen in good faith.

The local guy questioned the sellers motives and it was eventually revealed, not by the seller btw, that the car was not original. It had been wrecked, but not reported. Instead they took another vert, and swapped everything into it and made whatever repairs it needed. They went as far as to swap the vin plates.

Now, some guys said that it was no big deal, and it kept an "original" saleen on the road. Obviously the car was no longer original but the seller had no intention of revealing this, but rather take the money and scam the seller. That's a federal crime. I would have been livid if i were the purchaser.

I guess my point is, everybody has their own respect for the law.

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Reply #32 – December 30, 2009, 11:25:54 AM

Your story of the mustang, well thats a little different. Not even relevant.

Secondly, my "mechanic" as you call him isn't my mechanic, he's a friend of mine who owns a repair shop. If you look at anyone nowadays working at these stations, the bang out inspections pretty fast. Checking lights and looking at the emmisions controls. Most people are not going to take the time to count spark plugs or whatever else to see its got two more cylinders than its supposed to.

Secondly, mustang headers and an "h" pipe would fail the inspection, because its not factory for a thunderbird, so thats not an option.

The hood was an example, I stated that. Considering I had to put the overflow bottle in the Olds, I'm not making things out to be worse than they are.

Secondly, who are you to tell I me whether or not my swap was worth while or not? And don't assume I skipped steps, because I showed you I didn't. The pictures show that? I use this car to commute, I don't need anything "fast or High Output". The parts car came with the v8, it was already there, I'm not here to make an 88 thunderbird fast. I have a cutlass 442 for the summer, that I do that kind of stuff to. Its worth a hell of a lot more, and if I needed cash, its a lot easier to sell. Everyone and their mother wants a classic, not a huge market for late 80's thunderbirds( :( )

Again, if I put a plate on there and they don't catch it I'm grandfathered, not illegal. The law states if it slips by and has been inspected there is no need for the state police inspection. If i walk in and don't tell the guy I transplanted the engine, and he doesn't catch it, I'm not lying. He just didn't catch it. Obviously I'm not talking about the owner, he owns the place, he's not a grease monkey(not that there is anything wrong with it).

And lastly, I'm not going to argue with you anymore, an 88 thunderbird mint isn't worth a lot of money, and its not worth putting a lot of money into. I just wanted a 5.0 plate, thanks for hijacking the thread giving me lessons on morals. The title and posting was for a 5.0 plate, do you have one to sell me?

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Reply #33 – December 30, 2009, 11:55:57 AM

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Your story of the mustang, well thats a little different. Not even relevant.

Sure it is, some people think lightly of breaking the law, depending on how it benefits them, even though it may be a federal offense. Try this one....I really want a candy bar i spy on the shelf in the store, It might be more expensive in this store, than the one down the street and itwould be such a hasle to stand in line, or make my way to the other one. It would be much easier if i eat it here cause if its gone and i get out the door, there's nothing anybody can do about it.

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Most people are not going to take the time to count spark plugs or whatever else to see its got two more cylinders than its supposed to.

Any inspection mechanic worth his job will pick up on that in freaking instinct. No excuse to miss it.

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Secondly, who are you to tell I me whether or not my swap was worth while or not?

Just my opinion man, take it easy. IMHO, not worth getting dirty for.

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I use this car to commute, I don't need anything "fast or High Output"

So why swap the V8 in then? Nothing wrong with a V6 for commuting. If the engine was bad, It would have been cheaper, easier, faster and legally less hassle to swap the correct equipment in.

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Again, if I put a plate on there and they don't catch it I'm grandfathered, not illegal.

You've been caught already, hence you trying too sneak it through. Even your buddy won't inspect it without fudging things, that he already knows about. Both of you are knowingly and willingly breaking the law? Why do you keep trying to justify that? It's cut and dry man. Like i said, its your deal man.

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The law states if it slips by and has been inspected there is no need for the state police inspection.

Show me the text....

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And lastly, I'm not going to argue with you anymore, an 88 thunderbird mint isn't worth a lot of money, and its not worth putting a lot of money into. I just wanted a 5.0 plate, thanks for hijacking the thread giving me lessons on morals. The title and posting was for a 5.0 plate, do you have one to sell me?

I'm not trying to give you moral guidance, you seem to think your not trying to break the law, and you are. Pretty cut and dry. Your just annoyed because you know im right.

If you wanted a plate, you should have just asked for a plate rather than getting into why, if it's for an unlawful purpose. Its the internet, you offered up your bass ackwards reason for needing one and here we are. Sorry for being honest, apparently its not a quality that's all that common anymore. And nope, I threw that stuff away when i couldn't sell it.

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Reply #34 – January 01, 2010, 01:52:08 AM

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traditionally it means In Before The Lock.
Not sure what / how that applies here.

i guess i am slow sometimes..... I now get it.

ill eat rust and shiznit a plate to stop the debate.

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Reply #35 – January 01, 2010, 01:03:54 PM

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i guess i am slow sometimes..... I now get it.

ill eat rust and shiznit a plate to stop the debate.

same here... I vote lock:locked:

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Reply #36 – January 01, 2010, 03:31:49 PM

Meh, Before it does get closed, if it does i would at least like to apologize for coming down on this dude the way i did. I guess it just struck a chord in me just the right way.

We all have choices in our life. We all have the choice which laws we want to follow and any reasonable person should realize the consequences if those actions. I think what set me off was that it seemed to me that he doesn't believe he is breaking the law, weather or not he gets away with it. His inspection guy doesn't get to decide the law. JPC647 knows the law and chooses to cirspoogevent it. It is what it is. No big deal. Nobody's perfect, myself being a good example of that.

I hope he gets his inspection with no snags and moves along without issue. If he has any issues, I can probably get him an inspection.

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Reply #37 – January 01, 2010, 11:50:46 PM

this is one of those..........
"you might be dead right, but your still dead"

been there and got the tshirt myself.