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Functional Thunderbird Shaker Protype

Reply #30
Quote from: shame302;280219
I'd probably re-think that. Tough to sell a product that will hurt performance in the name of looks. Easy fix though.


I can think of a few things that worked out quite well that hurt performance (Not to mention make you look stupid)

1. outrageous body kits
2. Gigantic metal wings that serve NO purpose.
3. Stick on hood scoops.
4. 6" S**t can lers

Just a few off the top of my head. :rollin:

Functional Thunderbird Shaker Protype

Reply #31
Quote from: shame302;280219
So you used a "vintage" shaker instead of a readily available one and plan to market it?

 I'd probably re-think that. Tough to sell a product that will hurt performance in the name of looks. Easy fix though.


Still doin that mood thing ehh ? I used the scoop I like to mod my car. Yes, I confess. I never said anything about supplying others with vintage scoops though I can supply  reproductions of the vintage scoop to those who like as well as the 2003 Mach1 scoop.

I'm sure if you think harder you'll find lots of other issues to re-think, life is like that. As for being tough to sell this is a product that I've been asked by Fox mustang guys to do for years. I didn't come to me in a dream or through the "Force" . When I'm finished with it if they like it , which I'm sure they will that'll be great. If not, oh well, can't please everyone.

A little history lesson.
Back before the second coming of muscles cars, before EFI became the norm and when multi-carbs were the induction for high horse power steer cars there were lots of mods regular working guys did in that actually hurt performance.  In the early 80's average jobs didn't pay like they do now and only "Grown people" had credit cards. I brought home about $110/week. Had to pay rent, car insurance, buy gas, eat and maybe date. There was never much left over. There was nothing on the show room floor that made more than 150hp. Building a car was done in many steps and took years to finish. Most of us couldn't afford to take our puny 2V engine down to the speed shop for a performance rebuild. Even a budget rebuild kit was two weeks pay. I can't count the guys ( including me) who did headers first. Hooker Super Comps cause we WOULD have the big engine to back it up when we found the money. Car got loud and actually slowed down. Next was a cam and 4V intake. A big cam and carb with a stock converter and 2:73 rear. Sounded great prowling the street but didn't go much faster due to low compression smog pistons. Stainles steel flex fan was a must even though it made the engine run hot on the street. Giant Pro-Trac & Mickey Thompson tires for the pro street look. Not enough gear to turn em. Skinny tires up front. Looked cool as long as you made your turns at idle. A modern example is the K & N Extreme air filter top. While it seems like a great idea it was proven by 5 different magazine dyno tests that it hurt performance but people still buy them in droves. Reason why is while it may inhibit high end engines that breath hard it has no noticable effect on the average performance engine. Who turns 5000 rpm on the street let alone 6500+ ?

Now 500+ hp is just a check book away. Imports run in the 11's on street tires and a/c. The mustang is back in the game after almost a 15 year nap and most all performance cars run great right out the box with few restrictions. A shaker on the average car isn't going to hurt performance. Put on on a high power, high reving engine and that's a different story.

No fix required. Life fixes itself :rollin:
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1974 Falcon XB-GT Coupe
1988 Thunderbird Sport
1962 Thunderbird convertible
1971 Mustang Mach1 429SCJ

Functional Thunderbird Shaker Protype

Reply #32
Quote from: 86XR7project;280220
I can think of a few things that worked out quite well that hurt performance (Not to mention make you look stupid)

1. outrageous body kits
2. Gigantic metal wings that serve NO purpose.
3. Stick on hood scoops.
4. 6" S**t can lers

Just a few off the top of my head. :rollin:


I agree totally. Fart can exhaust is one I find most annoying. Your exhaust tip should never be bigger than your cylinders.
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1974 Falcon XB-GT Coupe
1988 Thunderbird Sport
1962 Thunderbird convertible
1971 Mustang Mach1 429SCJ

Functional Thunderbird Shaker Protype

Reply #33
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Building a car was done in many steps and took years to finish. Most of us couldn't afford to take our puny 2V engine down to the speed shop for a performance rebuild. Even a budget rebuild kit was two weeks pay. I can't count the guys ( including me) who did headers first. Hooker Super Comps cause we WOULD have the big engine to back it up when we found the money. Car got loud and actually slowed down. Next was a cam and 4V intake. A big cam and carb with a stock converter and 2:73 rear. Sounded great prowling the street but didn't go much faster due to low compression smog pistons. Stainles steel flex fan was a must even though it made the engine run hot on the street. Giant Pro-Trac & Mickey Thompson tires for the pro street look. Not enough gear to turn em. Skinny tires up front. Looked cool as long as you made your turns at idle. A modern example is the K & N Extreme air filter top. While it seems like a great idea it was proven by 5 different magazine dyno tests that it hurt performance but people still buy them in droves. Reason why is while it may inhibit high end engines that breath hard it has no noticable effect on the average performance engine. Who turns 5000 rpm on the street let alone 6500+ ?

Sounds dangerously close to an "old school" version of "rice" to me.


Seriously though,I think it looks cool so mission accomplished. If i were putting it on for the cool look, id delete its "functionality" as specially in this case where it would impact the car negatively. Obviously that would be up to the end user anyway. You may say it wouldn't noticeably hurt performance and you very well may be right but ford engineers designed them a certain way for a reason. It's one of the first basic things you learn about modding a car for more power. reduce the restrictions. Perfect example is the S.O. 5.0 vs. the HO 5.0

Hey, it looks good and i hope you sell lots of them.
:america: 1988 Thunderbird Sport, Former 4.6 DOHC T56 conversion project.

Rest of the country, Welcome to Massachusettes. Enjoy your stay.

 
Halfbreed... Mango Orange Y2K Mustang GT
FRPP complete 2000 Cobra engine swap, T56 n' junk...
~John~

Functional Thunderbird Shaker Protype

Reply #34
Quote from: shame302;280276
Sounds dangerously close to an "old school" version of "rice" to me.


Seriously though,I think it looks cool so mission accomplished. If i were putting it on for the cool look, id delete its "functionality" as specially in this case where it would impact the car negatively. Obviously that would be up to the end user anyway. You may say it wouldn't noticeably hurt performance and you very well may be right but ford engineers designed them a certain way for a reason. It's one of the first basic things you learn about modding a car for more power. reduce the restrictions. Perfect example is the S.O. 5.0 vs. the HO 5.0

Hey, it looks good and i hope you sell lots of them.

Thanks a trunk load. I enjoyed the exchange. There was old school long before there were any ricers. From my experience ricers were the young kids who couldn't afford vintage muscle cars, the fuel to feed em or the insurance. the pattern repeats just the cars change. I never imagined these fox Tbirds & Cougars had this kind of following. As a old timer they were just another 20 year old car.

Now that this issue has been put to bed , how many can I put you down for ? :D
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1974 Falcon XB-GT Coupe
1988 Thunderbird Sport
1962 Thunderbird convertible
1971 Mustang Mach1 429SCJ

Functional Thunderbird Shaker Protype

Reply #35
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how many can I put you down for ? :D
Got my own;)
:america: 1988 Thunderbird Sport, Former 4.6 DOHC T56 conversion project.

Rest of the country, Welcome to Massachusettes. Enjoy your stay.

 
Halfbreed... Mango Orange Y2K Mustang GT
FRPP complete 2000 Cobra engine swap, T56 n' junk...
~John~

Functional Thunderbird Shaker Protype

Reply #36
Id be totally in line for one depending on price.

 

Functional Thunderbird Shaker Protype

Reply #37
I'd be interested on price if its out of my range I'll do one on my own. ;)