Help...87 20th ann. cougar Trouble... Reply #15 – March 17, 2009, 04:25:14 PM Well I had to call several auto zones till I found one that would test it. And it Passed on the cold test.... and failed on the hot test... After the hot test they gave it back to me and it was hot enough to burn.. Thats HOT!!! I just put a new one on and it seems to be working .... I reset the timing 10btdc. and drove it 2-3 miles.... so far so good.. Thank yall for all the informative sites..... Hopefully I can return the favor sometime Thanks, Odie Quote Selected
Help...87 20th ann. cougar Trouble... Reply #16 – March 17, 2009, 04:28:50 PM Good luck - you'll know for sure if it's fixed on a hot summer day Quote Selected
Help...87 20th ann. cougar Trouble... Reply #17 – March 18, 2009, 06:58:26 AM But, I would still like to know how to use a paper clip and a test light to get the codes from the computer... The service light still coming on.. Quote Selected
Help...87 20th ann. cougar Trouble... Reply #18 – March 18, 2009, 10:10:14 AM Scott! Give this person a diagram on checking codes with stone knives and bearskins! :hick: Quote Selected
Help...87 20th ann. cougar Trouble... Reply #19 – March 18, 2009, 10:31:29 AM Quote from: odie12372;262284But, I would still like to know how to use a paper clip and a test light to get the codes from the computer... The service light still coming on..As per the DIY thread:QuoteDiagnostic testing with codes 3 step method**For more detailed info and other options to pulling codes, visit the Tech library at therangerstation.com. Scroll down on the left and click on EEC-IV Diagnostics under the "computer" section.To pull codes, locate your diagnostic connectors usually on the driver side engine bay.There are two connectors, one large female one has 6 pins sort of triangle shaped. 4 pins along the bottom row and 2 on the top row. Count these pins by looking into the connector and counting each row left to right.The second connector will be a single wire female plug as well located near the 6 pin female plug.Below will be instructions on how to use a jumper wire to connect the "sig rtn" lead to the "sti". Here is where you would use a paper clip to make this jumper. The SIG RTN connetion is on the large connector , top row , right hand pin. (top row has two pins). The "STI" conneciton is the single wire lead near the diagnostic large connector. Read below and install the jumper when told to.MEMORY CODESMemory codes are problems that the computer has noticed in the past. If for example there was a loose wire to a solenoid that only lost contact while driving but was making contact while testing the system there would be NO HARD FAULT CODE. The code would show up IN MEMORY. The same would happen for a sensor that only went out of range occasionally. Memory codes come out AFTER the separator pulse.NOTE: The computer will erase the memory after a certain number of engine re-starts if the problem does not repeat itself. The number of re-starts varies from 20 to 80 depending on the year of the vehicle. The later models keep memory longer.Clearing CodesThese codes are kept in memory for 40 warm up cycles. To clear the codes for purposes of testing or confirming repair, perform the code reading procedure. When the fault codes begin to be displayed, de-activate the test by either disconnecting the jumper wire or releasing the test button on the hand scanner. Stopping the test during code transmission will erase the continuous memory. Do not disconnect the negative battery cable to clear the codes; the keep alive memory will be cleared and a new code (19) will be stored for loss of PCM power.Below will mention using a test light instead of the check engine light during the instructions you will read. If you would like to be up near the engine and pull the codes then hook up the jumper wire when instructed and as described above. NOW, hook up a professional or riged up test light from the positive batter terminal to the large test connector , bottom row 2nd pin (STO pin) counting left to right looking into the plug. When you follow the steps below, the test light will strobe codes and how to decode them will follow below. I have used a 12dc buzzer i got out of an old microwave that gives me an audible tone. This makes it easier to focus on the paperwork end of the task so im not looking back and forth at a light and paper second guessing myself.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>START HERESTEP 1Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) Method OR CHECK ENGINE LIGHT METHODThe Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) on the dash (Engine Light) can be used to retrieve the stored codes. This method does not allow for any system investigation. This should only be used in the field where quick checks are needed. Follow the directions previously given for the scan tool procedure. To activate the tests, use a jumper wire to connect the signal return (SIG RTN) pin on the diagnostic connector to the Self-Test Input (STI) connector. The self test input (STI) line is the separate wire and connector with or near the diagnostic connector. Codes are transmitted with a pause between flashes. Code 32 would be sent as 3-flashes, a pause and then 2-flashes. A slightly longer pause separates the codes. The only way to repeat the code is to recycle the system. The Continuous Memory Codes are separated from the other codes by 6-seconds, a flash and then another 6-second delay. Compare the 2-digit and 3-digit Diagnostic Codes with the appropriate chart.STEP 2KEY ON ENGINE OFF (KOEO) TEST ************KOEONOTE: On 4.9L trucks with a manual transmission hold the clutch pedal in during this test.On Diesel engine trucks hold the throttle to the floor during this test.1. Make sure engine is fully warmed. If in doubt, run engine at 2000 rpm for 2 minutes.2. Turn ignition off and wait 10 seconds for system to shut off. Make sure A/C is off and transmission is in Park (automatic) or Neutral (manual).3. Hook up light and jumper (or a tester if you have one). Turn key to ON (do not start engine).4. Fast Codes are output (ignore fast light flashes).NOTE: Unhook self test input jumper (or tester if used) at any time during code output to erase memory.5. Read hard faults.6. Separator Pulse.7. Read memory codes.8. See code explanations and check components as necessary.Use FIRST CODE OUTPUT and retest after any repairs are made.STEP 3KEY ON ENGINE RUNNING (KOER) TEST ***************KOER1. Make sure engine is fully warmed. If in doubt, run engine at 2000 rpm for 2 minutes.2. Turn ignition off and wait 10 seconds for system to shut off. Make sure A/C is off and transmission is in Park (automatic) or Neutral (manual).3. Hook up light and jumper (or tester if you have one).4. Make sure vehicle is safe to run and start engine.5. Engine I.D. should be output.6. Step on brake and turn steering wheel 1/4 turn. If the vehicle has an overdrive cancel switch, push it.7. If a "Goose" pulse is received, move throttle quickly 1/2 way down and release.8. Fast Codes are output (ignore).9. Read codes.10. See code explanations and check components as necessary. Use FIRST CODE OUTPUT and retest after any repairs are made. Quote Selected
Help...87 20th ann. cougar Trouble... Reply #20 – March 18, 2009, 10:39:05 AM Great Scott! Scott, you just got much uglier!Thanks for helping out, Paul.:hick: Quote Selected
Help...87 20th ann. cougar Trouble... Reply #21 – March 20, 2009, 12:38:23 AM Thanks for the details. Now I know the reason for the loss of power. My act sensor is bad. Thanks again Quote Selected
Help...87 20th ann. cougar Trouble... Reply #22 – March 20, 2009, 02:00:27 AM ACT should have a resistance range,,see diy link belowsorry, out of town up in NJ at the Prnceton PPL.i use a buzzer instead of a test light so i dont have to look away from the paper jotting down codes,, i hear them. Quote Selected
Help...87 20th ann. cougar Trouble... Reply #23 – March 20, 2009, 02:01:52 AM Quote from: Cougar5.0;262311Great Scott! Scott, you just got much uglier!Thanks for helping out, Paul.:hick:im sure i have him beat.:D Quote Selected
Help...87 20th ann. cougar Trouble... Reply #24 – March 20, 2009, 06:03:50 AM Quote from: jcassity;262719im sure i have him beat.:DDepends on the subject Quote Selected
Help...87 20th ann. cougar Trouble... Reply #25 – April 03, 2009, 12:04:31 PM thanks for the info on how to pull codes..... Two codes I'm not sure about...on my self run test with engine running... it throwed these four codes12 rpm unable to reach upper test limit13 rpm unable to reach lower test limit Ok I understand this.... I'm pretty sure my idle air contol valve is bad.. I unplugged it while the car was running and the car didn't cut off... which would explain the weird idle it has... Then next 2 codes33 egr valve not opening.. how do I test this?42 EGO/Hego shows systems rich ( right side hego) How do I test for this... Quote Selected
Help...87 20th ann. cougar Trouble... Reply #26 – April 03, 2009, 11:44:06 PM Per the DIY LINK in my sig...........=============================EGR/emissions solenoids (codes)Dual Thermactor Air control Solenoid Valve- both should read 51-108 ohmsEGR Solenoid Vacuum Valve Assembly - both should read 32 to 64 ohmsEGR Valve Position Sensor EVP (OR/W to brn/ltgrn resistance is 5.5k with no vac and 100ohms with vac)(4-6vdc on VREF or/wht)Electronic Vacuum Regulator EVR 30 to 70 ohms (koeo voltage is about 10.5vdc)============================\EGR test and EVP sensor testapply vac pres to egr vac line fitting.if it holds the diaphram for a long time,, the diaphram is goodremove carbon buildup on egr base as well as egr base plate assy for 3.8l enginesEVP test (egr sensor)wire id...EEC PIN 26 "VREF" orange/white (parallels off to map)EEC PIN 27 "EVP SIGNAL" brown/light green EEC PIN 46 "SIG Return" black/white (parallels off to self test conn)disconnect vac linedisconnect elec connhook ohm meter up to the VREF adn EVP Sig contactshook up vac guage or apply vac to egrohm meter should start out at about 5.5k ohms.as vac is increased to max, resistance should bottom out to no less than 100ohms.key on, engine offcap off vac fitting on evp sensormeasure for 4 to 6 volts dc between VREF and SIGNAL RETURN (ground) Quote Selected