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How possible? Pics of block and trans....3/18/09

Reply #60 –
Quote from: massCougarxr7;262806
Actually when i first started this thread, and you pointed me in 460 fords direction, i instantly joined up, ive just been doing a lot of background, and build up reasearch....... thanks alot!!!!
 And hey ive been meaning to ask you..... are your 460s stock??? what kid of horse are they puttin out??? i know the bb is only pushin 240 in its stock form, but i was going to put rollers, cam, intake carb, and gears on it, what do you think????


Yes, both a pretty stock. Only a performer intake and 600 carb and MSD box. My guess is they put out about 290 hp at the flywheel.

Cam really wakes them up to a point....then a bump to 9.5-10;00 to 1 compression helps. The exhaust side of the heads are the big restriction.
I have been thinking of buying a set of those Pro Comp heads. For the price ( $ 1,100) they look to get me to about 400 hp and a cam change.
Alan Mackin--Semi Professional Ford der
83 T-Bird 460
83 T-Bird Heritage 5.0
84 T-Bird 5.0
86 T-Bird Turbo Coupe NHRA Stocker & Super Stocker
87 T-Bird Turbo Coupe
88 Bronco II Drag truck 302
95 Mustang GT auto
2004 F-350 CC Dually V-10

How possible? Pics of block and trans....3/18/09

Reply #61 –
the tc looks like it hooks pretty good, what are your e/t's? The more i think about the swap the more i think about just slowly building it up piece by piece, and then dropping it in. And those heads do look good, the way i see it if im paying around 1,000 buks a head, i might as well throw another couple hundred at it and get even better heads.
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Just enjoyin the ride!!!!

How possible? Pics of block and trans....3/18/09

Reply #62 –
I'd almost just stick with cast heads just figure out which are the best on a budget and get that combo working for a while. Thats just my inner penny pincher at work though.

How possible? Pics of block and trans....3/18/09

Reply #63 –
yeah but if i just keep it on a stand and gather all the parts, build it to run strong, and swap it in.....
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How possible? Pics of block and trans....3/18/09

Reply #64 –
Quote from: massCougarxr7;264130
the tc looks like it hooks pretty good, what are your e/t's? The more i think about the swap the more i think about just slowly building it up piece by piece, and then dropping it in. And those heads do look good, the way i see it if im paying around 1,000 buks a head, i might as well throw another couple hundred at it and get even better heads.


The TC runs a 1.83 60 ft. and 8.60's.....that old engine is so worn out it just runs out of power on the top end. it hooks well with those 275-55-16 M&H Drag Radials. Torque convertor is a TCI sat. Night special. Trans is C-6. Engine shifts at 4400.

I am currently batting an idea around of buying a 521 shortblock from coast high performance and puttin those Pro Comp heads on it for a 9.0 to 1 compression ratio. Then a mild cam and a 750 carb. Then top it off with a turbo and 8 lbs of boost. By my guestimate it should get around 550-600 flywheel horse on 8 lbs of boost. All I need is 400 hp on the motor and add 8 lbs of boost to get 600 hp.

This way the engine should last for years.:D
Alan Mackin--Semi Professional Ford der
83 T-Bird 460
83 T-Bird Heritage 5.0
84 T-Bird 5.0
86 T-Bird Turbo Coupe NHRA Stocker & Super Stocker
87 T-Bird Turbo Coupe
88 Bronco II Drag truck 302
95 Mustang GT auto
2004 F-350 CC Dually V-10

How possible? Pics of block and trans....3/18/09

Reply #65 –
You'll HAVE to make a build page while you do it.

How possible? Pics of block and trans....3/18/09

Reply #66 –
Quote from: 86XR7project;264244
You'll HAVE to make a build page while you do it.


Good idea. I wasn't on this site the last time I built a car. I would love to keep the TC looking stock on the outside and have the blow thru setup under that stock hood. ( I measured...it will fit.:D )
Alan Mackin--Semi Professional Ford der
83 T-Bird 460
83 T-Bird Heritage 5.0
84 T-Bird 5.0
86 T-Bird Turbo Coupe NHRA Stocker & Super Stocker
87 T-Bird Turbo Coupe
88 Bronco II Drag truck 302
95 Mustang GT auto
2004 F-350 CC Dually V-10

How possible? Pics of block and trans....3/18/09

Reply #67 –
yeah that would be cool, so you run 8.60 with a 290hp motor?????? was that a typo, or what am i missing?????
So whats the initial launch like????? I feel that torque is more important than hp.. but thats my own opinion....
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How possible? Pics of block and trans....3/18/09

Reply #68 –
I would guess thats 1/8th mile, not quarter mile.

How possible? Pics of block and trans....3/18/09

Reply #69 –
X 2...

I would bet that the stock rods could handle quite a bit. Unless you have like 90,000hp, I would think that torque would be a better way to rate a mostly stock internal peices.
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
Hooligans! 
1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
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How possible? Pics of block and trans....3/18/09

Reply #70 –
Oh, ok....... i feel dumb now....... like i said before the stock rods are supposedly only good for around 350hp, not bad, but the stock crank can handle like 800-900hp, thats one strong S.O.B.!!!!!! At first i wanted to just dump the stock block in, and enjoy the power, but the H.O. conversion is shooting me only 20 to 30 hp less, than the stock bb.
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How possible? Pics of block and trans....3/18/09

Reply #71 –
Think about the torque man! How many people can say they have a BB 87-88 Cougar XR7? You could call it a Cougar Eliminator Remix.

How possible? Pics of block and trans....3/18/09

Reply #72 –
Quote from: 86XR7project;264360
I would guess thats 1/8th mile, not quarter mile.



You are right...1/8th mile.  I think 8.60s is equivalent to 13.60's in the 1/4. Remember, both of our Birds are low compression, small cam smog engines that shift way early around 4500. (they have stock rods)

The stock factory "football" rods with arp rod bolts are pretty strong. They came in 80's-90's 460 trucks. Ford also sells them thru FRRP. The stock crank is good to about 700 hp...easy.

The only advantage of the 460 over a stroker 351W is cheap, easy to find used parts and instant torque. The bad side of putting a BB in a Fox is the extra weight and lack of overdrive transmissions available cheap. When I built our Gray 460 T-Bird, there was no such thing as a stroker 351w available cheap. I want to put a 408W in that 83 Gray Bird so we can drive it on the freeway, but my wife says no, she loves that 460 BB.....lol:D
Alan Mackin--Semi Professional Ford der
83 T-Bird 460
83 T-Bird Heritage 5.0
84 T-Bird 5.0
86 T-Bird Turbo Coupe NHRA Stocker & Super Stocker
87 T-Bird Turbo Coupe
88 Bronco II Drag truck 302
95 Mustang GT auto
2004 F-350 CC Dually V-10
 

How possible? Pics of block and trans....3/18/09

Reply #73 –
Quote from: 83-88T-Bird Guy;264464
I think 8.60s is equivalent to 13.60's in the 1/4.
That'll be close...

My Bird has run 13.11 on a 8.42 1/8 mile, but it always seems to run a couple tenths quicker in the second half of a 1/4 mi run than what the calculators predict... I need more converter to get it out of the hole quicker, best all motor 60ft has been 1.900... No it couldn't have run a 1.899, would have looked better on paper...