Alignment Issues (Hey Chuck!)

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Alignment Issues (Hey Chuck!)

Reply #15 – December 31, 2007, 12:36:51 PM

Push the caster as far as you can go.

Alignment Issues (Hey Chuck!)

Reply #16 – December 31, 2007, 12:40:26 PM

i always run full positive caster; whatever you can evenly get out of the plates.

you wont be able to install the plates w/o messin up the camber and toe settings. the alignment will need to be reset. you can definitely do it yourself to get you thru till you buy new tires though.

this thread on corral has a good writeup on doin your own alignments.

Alignment Issues (Hey Chuck!)

Reply #17 – December 31, 2007, 01:36:55 PM

Quote from: Jim_Miller;195043

1) Rear springs and get that ass back in the air. (per Eric's info)

Anybody ever use the spring spacers to lift the back when using Mustang springs?

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Alignment Issues (Hey Chuck!)

Reply #18 – December 31, 2007, 01:38:06 PM

Yea I did a getto alignment when I put the parts on. I was suprisingly close...

Spec's: they gave me a printout... My Getto aligenment specs were listed as "Before"

Left Front:
Camber: Actual= -0.6 (Specified Range= -0.6 to 1.0) Getto=-0.6
Caster: Actual= 2.7 (Specified Range= 0.6 to 2.1) Getto=2.7
Toe: Actual= .18 (Specified Range=-0.06 to 0.31) Getto= .12
SAI: Actual= 15.4 Getto=15.4
Included Angle: Actual= 14.8 Getto=-14.8

Right Front:
Camber: Actual= -0.6 (Specified Range= -0.6 to 1.0) Getto= -0.6
Caster: Actual= 1.9 (Specified Range= 0.6 to 2.1) Getto=1.9
Toe: Actual= .13 (Specified Range=-0.06 to 0.31) Getto=.10
SAI: Actual= 14.5 Getto=14.5
Included Angle: Actual= 13.9 Getto=13.9

Front:
Cross Camber: Actual= 0.0 (Specified Range= -0.8 to 0.

Getto= 0.0
Cross Caster: Actual= 0.8 (Specified Range= -0.8 to 0.

Getto= 0.8
Cross SAI: Actual= 0.9 (Specified Range= *** to ***) Getto= 0.8
Total Toe: Actual= 0.30 (Specified Range= 0.13 to 0.63) Getto=.21

Was just hopeing I wouldent need to.

Alignment Issues (Hey Chuck!)

Reply #19 – January 01, 2008, 11:28:48 AM

Nice job on your getto alignment. You did alot better than me.

How come the alignment shop didnt touch your camber or caster setting? It looks like all they adjusted was your toe. -.6 camber is fine for the street but I think you'd rather have at least +4 caster with the cross caster being alot closer. With CC plates there's no reason for it to be at the upper limit. They can do better than that.

I'm guessing that the alignment tech didnt know you have CC plates and did a factory alignment. He probably never even opened your hood because on a stock Fox vehicle you dont have to.

When I got my alignment I found a shop that would adjust the alignment to my specs. A good shop will let you talk to the alignment tech that will be working on your car. Just let them know up front that you have camber plates and you have specific settings in mind that are outside of the factory envelope. A lot of places will tell you to go somewhere else but you'll eventually find someone that will cater to your needs.

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Reply #20 – January 01, 2008, 11:39:42 AM

he hasnt got the plates yet, nor has it been aligned with plates.

if i read it correctly, the "ghetto" alignment was after the 5lug/spindle swap.

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Reply #21 – January 01, 2008, 12:48:18 PM

Ah, that explains it then.

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Reply #22 – January 02, 2008, 09:40:50 AM

Quote from: gumby;195303

he hasnt got the plates yet, nor has it been aligned with plates.

if i read it correctly, the "ghetto" alignment was after the 5lug/spindle swap.

That's correct!
I just ordered the plates. When I took it back (to a differant Les Schwab) to have it checked (when I noticed it Tramilning) they gave me the same numbers and told me they tried to adjust further but that's all it had, so there wasent anything else they could do. And they also said with the exception of one number it was all in spec. And that one number wasent that far out to cause the problem I was getting.

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Reply #23 – January 08, 2008, 02:31:29 AM

The plates are here! So I'm hoping to do this on Friday.

Going to start with the installing the rear springs, Chuck's shock extensions, and the plates with them pulled all the way back(full positive caster). Reversing the tires on the rims (swap sides so the badly worn area is on the inside) Take it for a short drive then park in the garage where it's nice, flat, and dry.

Camber
The info with the plates suggest .5* negative for street use. 1.5 to 2.5 negative for race cars. with a note that "some cars/drivers need more negative camber for optimum handling and tire wear" Since I already have a tire wear problem I'm thinking of shooting for a full 1* neg.

And then they recommend .5* toe in for street so I figure going with that.

Do you all agree, or is my plan "skewed"?

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Reply #24 – January 08, 2008, 06:32:41 AM

assuming that .5deg toe recommendation should have been .05; i would run a touch more toe in with a -1deg camber setting.

.08 - .10deg per side for a total toe setting near .20deg should keep the inside tire wear at bay with the heavier static negative camber setting.

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Reply #25 – January 08, 2008, 09:55:32 AM

Yea I probably messed that toe number up.. probably was .05

My tire wear is on the outside however, not the inside. What would be best to help with that? Should I go less toe in?

Alignment Issues (Hey Chuck!)

Reply #26 – January 08, 2008, 12:21:36 PM

your current wear is in the outside due to lack of caster.
adding the CC plates, fixin the caster concern, plus addin static negative camber will tend to give you some inside tire wear. this is why i suggested slighty more toe in.

Alignment Issues (Hey Chuck!)

Reply #27 – January 08, 2008, 12:45:49 PM

gotcha!

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Reply #28 – April 09, 2008, 11:26:06 AM

Rear springs, Chuck's shock extensions, and CC Plates are on, Tires being mounted now, Alignment right after with instructions to give it MAX even positive caster.

Just driving it into town with a quick ghetto alignment (that I wasent to accurate with since the tires are shot and was planning on getting it aligned anyway) and I can already feel the trameling problem is gone.