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Preparing for a 5.0HO swap..

Since my car is a 5.0 already, Im looking for a COMPLETE 5.0 HO motor, I already have the underhood wiring harness and SD computer from a stang. My question is does anyone know if an Explorer 5.0 with the GT40 stuff will work on a SD computer or should I just change the cam to an HO cam and go with it?

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Reply #1
I'm putting a SD HO with GT-40P heads in right now and it should work fine. As long as you don't change the stock HO cam out SD will be fine.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #2
To save you some time and effort,don't install that harness as you already have the correct one on your current 5.0L.
It is all the same all you have to do is swap the eec.
Explorer 5.0L will work but will have the wrong oil pan and accsesory drives.

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Reply #3
Quote from: dominator;134372
To save you some time and effort,don't install that harness as you already have the correct one on your current 5.0L.
It is all the same all you have to do is swap the eec.
Explorer 5.0L will work but will have the wrong oil pan and accsesory drives.
Excellent info to have!!!!

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Reply #4
For more power I would actually swap in the HO cam as opposed to the stock Explorer cam.  The cam in the Explorer actually has less lift and duration than the HO cam. That's why the Explorer motors with their GT-40P heads were rated at 215 HP/288 TQ.

Aftermarket cams WILL work with speed density as well.  I don't know how many times I have to say this because of the myth started by the fact that the first aftermarket cams were the Ford alphabet cams and have low vacuum at idle.....

There are plenty of cams that you can run with speed density......the Ford alphabet cams won't run well due to their low lobe separation angles. Speed Density requires a good amount of vacuum at idle for the map sensor to help stop the motor from running pig rich. The stock HO cam has a 115* LSA. Most aftermarket cams with 114* LSA will work with SD and some with 112* LSA will work as well. See the chart located here: http://www.50tech.com/viewtopic.php?t=50694

Also, you CAN run bigger injectors on a SD setup. You need an adjustable fuel pressure regulator and some knowledge about the specific setup you're running it on (pump size, injector size, approximate and realistic flywheel horsepower estimate).
With an adjustable regulator, you can also get away with smaller injectors at times. 24# injectors flowing at 40 PSI flow equal to 19 # injectors at 60 PSI. So, in effect you can make a 19 pound injector act like a 24# injector (and then some!) Of course, you will be limited by pump output and physics. I would recommend not going over 65-70PSI in an application for safety as fuel rails are not rated over 80 PSI in most instances.

Also, keep in mind that raising the fuel pressure will make an injector act like a bigger one and it will flow more BUT, this will have the REVERSE effect on your fuel pump. A 155 LPH pump may flow 155 LPH at 40 PSI, but will FLOW LESS AT 60 PSI. These are all things to consider when toying with fuel pressure.

Here is some more info:

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Many people get into problems when a stock cam is replaced with an aftermarket or Ford lettered cam.
Why; is due to lobe centerlines that cause "positive" intake/exhaust valve overlap periods.
The stock camshaft actually has a small amount of "negitive" valve overlap.
Since the SD engine is 'load detected' by vacuum supplied to the MAP sensor; a cam with positive overlap causes a loss of intake vacuum affecting the MAP signal and making the engine run richer.
Since the oxygen sensors detect this, the result is to attempt to lean fuel delivery. End result is an engine that does not idle correct and tends to hunt for it's correct idle but cannot ever arrive at a final loop setting to match the idle set in computer program.

When looking at camshafts, the first parameter is to look at centerlines of 114 degrees or larger, have higher lifts, more rapid lift rates and somewhat longer durations without getting into light car cams that generally tend to lose to much low end torque for use in heavier cars.
There are from time to time, people who change cams, get into issues then ask for help and have a hard time accepting the answers to either change the cam again or convert from Speed Density to Mass Air engine control.

Some extra tech about cam overlap is at that point the piston 'pumps back' into the intake with both valves open a small amount.
This subtracts from what would be normal vacuum levels with a zero overlap profile.
This pump-back tends to contaminate the new air that gets drawn in such that low rpm is weak on torque until other dynamics begin to overcome this action then torque begins improve higher in the range where more air is now being pumped by the engine displacment.
This is the big reason why performce cams move the rpm points of torque and HP upward with increasing profile durations and overlap allowing more air to be used more efficiently.
There are a lot of fine points to this, as port velecity, flow losses, exhaust effects during overlap all play an important part.
An example of the effects of holding a valve open though not fully the same, is your 4 cycle lawn mower. Depending on the engine maker usually the cam has provisions to hold either the intake or the exhaust valve open about 40* additional duration past there normal closing point.
This is done to bleed off cylinder pressure or you would never be able to battery start or pull start the engine due to excess pressure and if the cylinder should fire, the rope breaks, hurts your hand or worse yet breaks your wrist..
Once the engine is started, the loss of cylinder pressure from holding a valve open a few thousands has little effect on the power the engine makes to do the intended job.

The reason Mass Air clears the cam problem is because these system controls do not use a MAP sensor to detect engine load but uses the air meter to measure airflow thus not being 'for the most part' affected by cam overlap. Of course cam overlap taken too far makes for rough idle for a different reason but still created initally by the cam's positive overlap period.
Hope this is of help to those who have an interest cam parmeters vs Speed Density engine control system
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

 

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Reply #5
Just for reference, my 87 with a stock explorer long block swap went 13.7. All depends on what you are looking for.
Jim