Getting a 351 clevland for my t-bird in trade for a 351 Windsor.
so your made of cash? that's what the cleavland will get yah. those if you can afford the parts, they are pretty sweet.
is it the Real cleavlands. or the later not so hot but still will cost you an arm and a leg and beat a windsor all day long cleavlands
Not to worried about cash, Just always wanted a clevland, Not sure if its going in the t-bird or the ranchero though. Might even drop it in my sonoma :)
what year ranchero?
1976 Rust orange needs lots of TLC.
How much do those 351 clevelands cost and where can you get them? I'm getting rather bored with my 140 hp 3.8
Go with a Windsor 302 or 351 cheaper to build and a lot easier to find. And for a street application will handle all the power you need
imo, 351W > 351C
But when it comes to coolness and sound, 351W < 351C
personally i dont think so...
too each his own i guess. id rather build a windsor then a cleveland...
When it comes to cost and ease of finding parts the windsor wins hands down.
Hmm throw a Cleveland together with readily available ebay parts and your tossing over 300hp on the table. Dude i would so do a Cleveland over a Windsor.
And for gods sake put that into your Tbird!
I have built Cleveland mounted on an engine stand right now that I'm dying to do something with it, but not sure what. I originaly started to build it for a '79 Bronco, but the Bronco has to go. So now I have a very powerful engine just sitting there! It's driving me crazy!
You could put it in my ranger for me! lol! Hell I'll even give ya '84 5.0HO with an AOD attached to it.
Put Cleveland heads on a Windsor block - best of both worlds (i guess)
I've heard that you can put Cleveland heads on a Windsor with a little help from the machine shop, but I'd rather not do that myself. I think the 351C is almost a perfect engine by its self. Doesn't need any help... my opinion though! lol
The cleveland block has coolant distribution oddities and not-so-competant oiling system, so I'm told. So, super badass cleveland heads on the more stable Windsor block would be the hot ticket. But this all speculation, because I dont think I've ever even seen a real Cleveland. Lots of 400's and M's though!
Put Cleveland heads on a Windsor block and you've got a Boss engine. The cooling passages need to be messed with but it can be done, there's actually a company that sells Cleveland heads pre-machined with Windsors in mind. Here's an article:
http://www.mustangandfords.com/techarticles/30220/
The cleveland is a great motor but the technology in heads and cams now make unheard of power in the windsor blocks. The 302 i have from a 71 ford that i had rebuilt .030 over, adding Edelbrock RPM intake,600 cfm carb, a somewhat aggresive cam and the AFR heads w/ 1.90 intake and 1.60 exhaust is pulling just under the 360 hp with the stock rods and some good pistons (not forged). Depending if you have the 4v heads or the 2v heads with the cleveland, the 4v are not even close to what a guy wants for street and mild strip use because they make all there power way higher in the rpm range.The 2v head is way more practical for the street as the ports are not nearly as large and can produce more streetable torque. The 4v Cleveland is great for a strip car but not for the street.
Hearing "351 CLEVELAND" strikes fear in the heart of any chevy man.
Well i some what disagree, maybe 20 years ago there was some fear but times and technology have changed. Now they are expensive, hard to find and really IMHO not worth putting the serious money into when you can do so much to a windsor. They have a great rep that makes people worry, but when it gets right down to it they have block cracking problems among the other issues.
All I know is, when the engine was in my old flat bed Ford a few years ago, I thought it was just another engine. But when people asked what engine was in it and I would tell 'em, they would freak! They'd say something like, "You have a cleveland?!?!" After seeing that response more than once, when I decided to get rid of the truck, I pulled the engine out and kept it.
I dunno about that, my 420 HP 302 is doing fine I think throwing it in the ranchero is the better option.
And another thing noone said it was for a street car :evilgrin: and now I have 2 clevlands. I got the one and he gave me a second just to get rid of it....It doesnt run but it can with a little work. 1 in the ranchero the other in my sonoma or Bronco.
So which one is faster? cleveland or windsor? And does anyone know where to find either one like a website or something?
Hmm wow thats a chicken or the egg question!
not trying to steel your thread,but my brothers 351c in progress.
What did you do to your 302 to get it to 420 hp?
And how come all the cleveland i've seen are carbeurated? I personally prefer fuel injection..
clevelands were all carbed, there 70's or earlier motor's. Before fuel injection.
Clevelands were great in their day(owned ONE in a '71 Ranchero and had lots of freinds with strong runners in Stangs). But these days a Windsor with a set of aftermarket heads will kick its ass...
I think a 351c converted to EFI is cool...one of my older MM&FF mags has a mustang GT with one and its pushing 500 hp. with no power adder... I like windsors though; more parts avalibility and cheaper to build.
how much hp do u think the 351w would have with efi conversion? about the same?
I saw a website selling them remanufactured windsor and cleveland but i dont remember the website name! It said they were for ford trucks but obviously u dont have to put it in a truck. it was a few thousand dollars though. If i were to get one is there any previous thread or any wqebsite that could help me with the conversion of carb. to efi? my dad's a mechanic but he lives in another state and would probably take a while to do it.