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To be perfectly honest, I'm staying the hell outta that.  No one has any good sides.

Personally I didn't mind Martin, but he's likes to burn money on projects that get nothing more accomplished then to piss off more people at the governent.

Then on the other side, what's his name, keeps saying he'll do all these changes lower crime, more cops to the streets, rid drugs,  give everyone a million dollars (ok made that up) but he probably going to undo some things that Martin actually did right.  So its either the frying pan or the fire.

Thats as far as I'm going about politics.

You have to vote boys! Not voting forfeits your right to bitch later on.

The head of our Human Resources group here at work is named Paul Martin.  heh

Wow sounds like you guys in Canada are stuck with the same kinds of choices as us.  Bad or Worse?  Hmmm...

Watch him. He'll steal your blueberry in from the fridge, give it to the guy in payroll, then ask his best friend in the mail room to tell you he didn't do it.:giggle:

Well, that's what Bad and Worse would have us think, but the truth is, there are still choices.

yeaht hey did thank god! better choice then the green or ndp

I didn't vote. My excuse is (and it true )that I lost all my identification with my wallet on Sunday, and I still cant find it.:mad:

I voted Green. :tg:

I normally vote Liberal, but seeing how they totally don't deserve my vote after the last couple of years, I went elsewhere. I didn't even make my decision until I was standing in the booth. There was no way in hell Harper was getting my vote, though.

The Conservatives knew it would be a minority, as did everybody else. That's why the big promises were made. They were all making promises they knew they didn't have to keep. We may see a handful of those 190+ programs actually make it through the house. The rest were empty, and were inteded to be that way.

We won't see an election for a few years yet. The Liberals need to trasfer power, then elect a new leader, then get that leader some face time. The public needs to get to know the Liberal leader and see him stand up for some major issues in the house before they would ever move for an election. Even still, they need the NDP and the Bloc to join in, which won't be easy. The NDP won't be pushing for the polls for any reason, since they are now stronger than they have been in decades. If the Liberals get stronger again, and the Conservative trend continues, the NDP know they will lose a lot of seats in the next election. The Bloc are indifferent, and even if the Grits and NDP jump the gun, they still need the Bloc.

So prepare for four years of absolutely nothing getting done (just like the last minority gov. but worse, since the right has an even smaller lead than the left that just lost power). You can count on four years of massive spending, as the house spins its wheels to get no where.

why would you not vote for harper? and why vote for green? what a waist of a vote, i strongly agree with harpers agenda, for example joining missle defence, and dropping kyoto, as well as lowering gst...if green ran this country all buisnesses would be run out and we would be a 3rd world country in a matter of years....... i would like to hear your reasoning in not voting for harper...

i would like to hear your reasoning in not voting for harper...

I dislike his hardline views, like gay marriage, that he seemed to be adamant about in the last election, but this time around he went soft on, or opted out of giving any real answers at all. He's too friendly with American Republicans for my liking, and, above all, he has no problem telling the Canadian people that if he were in power at the time, we'd be sending our troops to Iraq. I didn't like the BS promises he made. 190+ new programs (and he wants to shrink government? Yeah, right.) that all cost money, billions in some cases, yet lower GST, and eventually get rid of it altogether. Which, I might add, was a conservative tax to start with. If you increase spending but decrease income, you put yourself in debt.......... pretty much exactly like the last time the Conservatives got in power. Plus, I'm a leftist, so why would I vote for the Right?

I do like his support of the border guards to be armed. I like the Conservative tendancy to support a respectable military. I don't like Conservative tendancy to use it needlessly, or offensively.

No vote is wasted. The only wasted vote is one that isn't cast. The Green party will never gain power in Canada, and I knew my riding wasn't going to win. But for every vote cast in Canada, that party is awarded X amount of dollars to fund further development of the party for the future. Though I don't expect the green party to ever gain power, I do think that a few Green seats in the house would have a very positive impact on our country.

I like their proactive stance on health care. Make healthier citizens rather than pour more money into an already too expensive health care system. Higher taxes on things like Cigarettes, booze, and junk food is a way to lower the amount of people using the health care system, rather than just provide more doctors, and pay more to support these needlessly unhealthy people draining the economy.

It's a different way of thinking, and I think we can all agree, the system needs to come at things from a new perspective in order to grow and improve. They are also the only major party in Canada that isn't completely corrupt, or at least partially.

Another reason I voted Green was to give the Liberals a slap in the arse. What are my options? Vote NDP? I've seen what the NDP can do. BC anyone? Conservative? No, they are fundamentally different in their mindset than I am.

So I didn't vote Green because I'm some tree hugging flake. I actually did take my time and consider the choices (Yes, I even considered voting Torry). To me, it was a matter of principle. I voted for those who I believed in to make the most positive change.

So, why did you vote Conservative?

So you like gay marriage? I don't . . . I think they should have called it a civil union or partnership or something else like every other country in the world that legalized it did, but I certainly would not have called it marriage. The supreme court couldn't rule on the subject . . . so Paul marshalled his troops and ordered them to vote the party line . . . with the NDP. Harper says he will have a free vote on the issue . . . you obviously don't like free.

Liberals have been taxing us to death for a decade . . .

hence 14 billion dollars in Ottawa from just last year. Do you like to pay the highest taxes in the G8? I don't . . . .
Lets talk about Iraq . . . Harper said he would support the US declsion on Iraq . . . there were no troops to send . . . they were already in Afganistan, sent by Libs. What do you have against freeing 26 million people from a brutal dictator?

They had a better voter turnout 80% than we did in Canada! Sadam was also financing famlies of suicide bombers and had trained over 8000 Al Quada terrorists.

The US is the greatest country on the planet, Canada has digressed in the last 13 years under liberal control.

Healthcare 30th in the world, high taxes, crime (property crime double that of US), out of control big government(our civil service in Ottawa is the same size as the US . . . we have 1/10 of the population), and unprecedented corruption in the federal govt.
The Liberal party has moved so far to the left in the last 30 years it is hard to tell them from the Socialist NDP's . . . . last year 100,000 manufacturing jobs were lost in eastern Canada, Woodwards, Eaton's and now the Bay have either gone broke or were bought up by US concerns.

The Liberals said they would eliminate the GST, they didn't . . . Harper says he will reduce in to 6% and then to 5% . . . he will! They Liberals said they would give us govt daycare . . . 12 years later we are still waiting . . . but why would you want the govt to look after your kids???? They can't run Medicare, they can't run a Gun Registry . . . what makes you think they could look after your kids????

The Scandinavian countries along with the US are the top five countries in the world. Denmark has just re-elected its second Conservative Govt. Sweden and Finland have been moving to the right for over a decade. The Scandinavian Countries have the best educated populations on the planet, lead the world in many high tech areas. cell phones, bridge const, off-s oil, safest autos, and envorimnental technologies.

Of course you wouldn't want LOW TAXES, ACCOUNTABILITY, A MILITARY THAT COULD ACTUALLY PROTECT OUR BORDERS, JUDGES THAT WOULD ACTUALLY PUT THE CRIMINALS IN JAIL. A federal govt that looked after the federal issues and stayed out of the Provinces hair so they could look after their responsibilities. It seems to me that a lot of Canadians are Stuckonstupid . . . .

You actually brought Sweden in as an example of right-wing politics??? Um, have you ever even spoken to a Swede? I knew a couple of Swedes a few years ago, and if you think OUR government is left leaning, you oughta try Sweden. They have some of the highest taxes in the world to support their cradle-to-grave government welfare system. Their national debt is absolutely crushing. And their government is still going broke.They are well educated, but only because government pays for it. Thing is, once they get out of school, nobody wants to work because it pays better to stay home. The amount that the Swedish government intrudes on the day-to-day life of the people makes the Canadian goverment look non-existant. The Swedes I knew, that came to Canada because it was a better place to live, described their government as "one step above communism". Read PJ O'Rourke's "Eat the Rich" for a humourous look into Sweden's economy.

And their entire automotive industry is owned by US automakers, and any Saab or Volvo fan will tell you that both brands have gone downhill since this happened. And if they lead the world in safety, pollution, etc as you claim, it was all done under a leftist government.

As for the rest of your arguments, they are typical of a right-wing westerner that makes up "facts" as they go along and is sour that the east governed the country for so long.

Same shag marriage? In contrast to your absolutely false statement that "the supreme court couldn't rule on the subject",
the court DID rule, which is what brought the legislation about in the first place. This very ruling is what is going to make it impossible for Harper to steal the rights of those people back in a so-called "free vote" without using the notwithstanding clause, and Harper knows it. He also knows that he doesn't necessarily have to win that vote in the house of commons anyway, as long as he brings it up, because even though the vote will die (and very rightly so), he'll be able to look at his right wing followers and say "At least I tried".

The war in Iraq? Not only are the vast majority of Canadians against it, but now a growing majority of Americans are as well, and the Bush government is under increasing pressure to pull out, no matter how pigheaded that Bush idiot is. Martin knew this and decided not to go, and was cheered on by Canadians as a result. If Harper had his way we'd be over their dying in this unjustified war for oil. And a war for oil it is, because there are a lot of other dictatorships, banana republic governments, and cesspools of human suffering on this planet that make saddam look like a saviour, and Bush doesn't give a rat's ass about them because A) They don't have oil, or B) They'll fight back, or C) Both (like Korea). If you think any majority of Canadians would support sending troops to Iraq you are seriuosly out of touch with Canadians.

The economy? The Canadian economy has been screaming forward so fast that the Bank of Canada has had to put the brakes on it. Our dollar is now worth 87 cents US, compared to the 62 cents it was worth a few years ago. Of course, the Liberals can't take all the credit for making our currency more powerful - the American Right has to take a lot of credit for making their dollar that much LESS powerful. The Canadian national debt is shrinking. We have not had a deficit in nearly a decade. The US debt is growing and they are running HUGE deficits (mainly to pay for Bush's war). And you think a Bush Jr would be GOOD for Canada's economy?

The GST? The Liberals broke their promise to get rid of it, true enough, but it was the conservatives that rammed it down our throats to begin with, even going so far as to stack the senate with conservatives to ensure its passage. Funny how conservatives are quick to denounce the Liberals for failing to rind Canadians of a conservative tax...

The highest taxes in the G8? Yes, our taxes are high, but remarkably, our economy is the envy of the G8. Strange, isn't it?

Health care? It was on CNN yesterday that a family sickness was teh number one cause of personal bankruptcy in the USA. I don't know any Canadians that lost their house because they came down with the 'flu or broke a leg, do you?

If it seems a lot of Canadians are "stuckonstupid", a great number (but thankfully not a majority) are "stuckonoutdatedrightwingvalues".

The left took over 2/3 of the popular vote, and thankfully they outnumber the right in the house. I say thankfully because they'll prevent Harper from throwing this country too far back in time.

The war in Iraq? Not only are the vast majority of Canadians against it, but now a growing majority of Americans are as well, and the Bush government is under increasing pressure to pull out, no matter how pigheaded that Bush idiot is. Martin knew this and decided not to go, and was cheered on by Canadians as a result. If Harper had his way we'd be over their dying in this unjustified war for oil. And a war for oil it is, because there are a lot of other dictatorships, banana republic governments, and cesspools of human suffering on this planet that make saddam look like a saviour, and Bush doesn't give a rat's ass about them because A) They don't have oil, or B) They'll fight back, or C) Both (like Korea). If you think any majority of Canadians would support sending troops to Iraq you are seriuosly out of touch with Canadians.

im just droping in my 2 cents but if this war is for oil why is it so expensive?

this is the kind of stuff that makes me wanna just close up shop(usa)and stop helping anyone stop bailing other countries out stop being team america world police(f*ck ya) and put a 5 mile border around the us and if any thing moves shoot first then ask what they where doing

man the more i think about it maybe moving out to montana wyoming idaho and joining a millita group aint such a bad thing 

ok that was more like 27cents but thanks back to canada politics :D

The only response I'm giving is this. I can vote which ever way I  well want. If you don't like it, you can bite my ass. I didn't fly into you for voting Conservative. I have my reasons, so swallow it.