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Title: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: Sancho on November 26, 2004, 07:20:33 PM
Anyone replaced them before?  I am interested In knowing how one goes about keeping the quick disconnects and rubber sections in the line.  Any one done it?
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: jcassity on November 27, 2004, 10:58:31 AM
now that you mention it,, i was eyeballing the ends once while putting on a new filter. 

I got a closer look at the lines up in the engine bay and noticed the ends do come off.  the heavy plastic hose is slipped over the ribbed fittings which sort of reminds you of an air hose fitting where the hose clamps on the ribbed end.

I would imagine you could use a knife to salvage the ends by cutting off the hard plastic. 

what lines to use in place of the old ones would be your option but the fittings do come off,,,,,,,,,,,,i thought we talked about this once already :dunno:

id go back to the hard plastic (schedule xxxx or what ever is oem compareable).  Id make sure that the new hard plastic line does not fit until you heat up the hose with a torch slightly then slip it over the old end.

if you use rubber fuel line hose, its even easier, just use clamps but remember the 40 or so psi of fuel when you tighten them but that should not be a problem.  A little silicone might help  as well.

what makes it hard to judge is the fact that the lines have a hard jacket on them as they transition down thru the pass side of the car, makes it kind of hard to see down near the filter area.  Id probably run my new plastic line thru this existing jacket since it it a protection mesure built in.
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: Sancho on November 27, 2004, 11:59:03 AM
Yeah... see in my case that protection layer has done its best, and failed.  After looking this morning I think Im gonig to try and pull the connectors like you suggest.  Just gotta find me some new hard line to replace the rusted stuff.
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: jcassity on November 27, 2004, 07:11:25 PM
Quote from: Sancho
Just gotta find me some new hard line to replace the rusted stuff.


what the????
mines plastic from front to back ,, no metal at all except for up in the engine bay that only has two short sections.

yours are metal inside the plastic? :screwy:

thats not original,  someone else has done that.
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: Sancho on November 28, 2004, 09:49:00 AM
I have hard lines in some section and ruber in some sections, and judging by the state of the car Im guessing its factory.  Yes, it appears there may have been a shield on them at one point but its long gone.
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: jcassity on November 28, 2004, 10:29:55 AM
im lost,,
i thought they were plastic from end to end without any metal,,,
anyone else discover this ?
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: cougarman on November 28, 2004, 10:57:18 AM
There is usually a short run of metal lines inside the pass. wheel well, up to where they enter the engine compartment. It's behind the slash shield. :ies:
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: Sancho on November 28, 2004, 09:04:30 PM
I have them back near the axle/tank
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: cougarman on November 29, 2004, 10:10:34 AM
Here is some pics of fuel lines from an 88 Tbird 5.0. There is a short run of metal lines in the front, and after the filter, then back to plastic to the tank. :ies:
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: cougarman on November 29, 2004, 10:11:28 AM
Hre are the lines that go to the tank. :ies:
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: jcassity on November 29, 2004, 06:02:24 PM
OMG!!!!!!
did not know that,, they must go :evilgrin:
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: cougarman on November 29, 2004, 06:17:14 PM
:laughing:  :laughing:
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: jcassity on November 29, 2004, 06:40:20 PM
you agree???
cause that may be something that just might consume a weekend for me soon.,,, cant stand the thought of broken metal being force fed to my new fuel presure reg and my gutted injectors.,,
why did you do this to me? :brick:  :mad:
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: cougarman on November 29, 2004, 06:51:44 PM
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why did you do this to me?


sorry, didn't mean it...lol :ies:
I've never had a problem with them, yet...lol
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: bondocougar on December 05, 2004, 09:27:02 PM
I just had to do a splice, so I was just going to use the stock plastic fuel line & a Ford fuel union, as called out on coolcats, but then I came across the Aeroquip 1000psi fuel hose from Summit.  Seems better than the plastic stuff on the car.  The syntetic rubber hose is much thicker, plus it has two steel braid jackets around it.

The -4AN size slips extremely tightly (you have to cut the first layer of steel braid off to allow it to expand when going over the metal pipe) over the metal fuel lines in the car.  Add a couple hose clamps & this seems like a good exchange for the stock fuel hose....

I did pressurize today & had no leaks... Any thoughts on this stuff?

(http://members.aol.com/synton88/fuel2.jpg)
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on December 06, 2004, 04:06:03 AM
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I would imagine you could use a knife to salvage the ends by cutting off the hard plastic.


I did just that on my return line when I did my 5.0 swap. I used the '87 Bird  return line on my TC that was too long(routes differently than the TC's and '88 5.0 cars. Ford wanted to get the fuel line off the frame rail and away from the exaust). What I did was split the end then cut it to the length I needed. To reinstall, I set end on the floor an just pushed it back in place. A little grease and a heat gun and it went right on. As I said this was the return line, I'd very careful when modifing/repairing a pressure line.
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: Sancho on December 06, 2004, 06:09:11 PM
Yeah, and thats what Im worried about.  I dont like the thought of bursting a rubber line right next to a ler.
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: jcassity on December 11, 2004, 03:44:51 PM
ever thought of going to copper? and all the fittings associated with it?
on the presure side that is.
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: Sancho on December 11, 2004, 04:28:44 PM
Actually I think Im going to go back to steel.  It'll just be more fun bending and flaring to do :(  Although better than blowing up
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: 1badcougar on December 14, 2004, 01:07:08 PM
I have used 3/8" aluminum lines on our car. I bought rubber fuel injection hose from Napa to reuse the factory connections at the fule filter & fuel pump. I couldn't get 5/16" aluminum line in the hurry that I needed. I had melted the plastic fuel lines off before the fuel filter. That is what happens when you crank up the fuel pressure and the computer takes over to lean it out. Had to put the fire out with a fire extingusher. Haven't had a problem yet in the last 3-4 years since this has been done.
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: Sancho on December 15, 2004, 10:56:34 PM
Thanks! you just bent it up I assume?
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: 1badcougar on December 16, 2004, 12:12:50 PM
Sancho,

You are correct. I used a tubing bender to make the bends. I used a flairing tool to flair the ends so the rubber hose pieces couldn't just slide off.

Hope this helps,
Larry
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: cougarman on December 17, 2004, 09:58:27 AM
Here's a trick way to fix your fuel lines, it's for a Mustang but could be adapted. :grinno:
RUS-651104  FUEL LINE KIT
 Today  $84.69
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: Sancho on December 17, 2004, 06:15:29 PM
Hey good idea! Now just to fix the part before the fuel filter

-Did you double flare the line or single flare it?
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: 1badcougar on December 21, 2004, 12:45:35 PM
I only single flared. I didn't have or have access to a double flare tool.
Title: Re: 87-88 Fuel Lines
Post by: 87fox351 on January 04, 2005, 12:34:25 AM
What would you guys recommend for fuel lines on my car...351w with the efi spyder intake with 1/2" fuel rails.  I need to go from the factory ends to the fuel rails somehow.  I was considering just replacing all the fuel lines in the whole car, but would like to just get it running now.