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Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 15, 2015, 10:12:25 PM
This has taken more time than I expected but assuming it isn't a motorcycle coming at me, I'm finally seeing a light at the end of the tunnel...

As purchased two plus years ago...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Comet/72comet_zps0ba6d25c.jpg)

It was already painted, fresh built C4, all new NOS glass, new carpet, headliner etc but engine was still in 1972...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Comet/cometengineB4_zps9916b022.jpg)

After a couple afternoons, engine compartment looked like this...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Comet/enginepull4_zps1e9ce8f3.jpg)

After a couple weeks was good as new...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Comet/allyellow_zpsad777827.jpg)

After a couple months it had all fresh suspension, steering and a '69 Torino disc brake conversion(no disc option on these cars till '74), was yet to repl that transmission cooler line...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Comet/enginebay117_zpsc931bb00.jpg)

About this time I took approx six months off, but after another month or so of actually working on  it I finally got the engine back in it and running(it still needs a custom set of plug wires made up)...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Comet/cometenginel_zps7ddc7dda.jpg)


With the aluminum headed headed 306 the orig springs were too stiff, since this pict I've installed a set of 6cyl springs that has it the nose pointing forward instead of at the trees...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Comet/11cometgtstripe1_zpsd7b7c8d3.jpg)
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: thunderjet302 on March 15, 2015, 10:26:12 PM
Looks great :).
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: GDawg148 on March 15, 2015, 10:54:54 PM
That's awesome!  My grandpa is restoring a 1974 Comet GT with 3 on the floor.  Very sweet car indeed.
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: QUICKSHIFT on March 15, 2015, 10:55:41 PM
It's got my attention .....for obvious reasons....:D  Well done.

Are you on the Maverick/Comet forum as well?
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 15, 2015, 11:22:57 PM
Quote from: QUICKSHIFT;446138
It's got my attention .....for obvious reasons....:D  Well done.

Are you on the Maverick/Comet forum as well?

Yup I'm a regular...


Thanks guys didn't expect as much interest, so I'll toss in a few more picts...

Heres' one showing the Painless Wiring fuse box that powers the headlights(has the relay mod as well), the flectric fan, choke and Street Fire ignition system(was still running points when I got it)... The battery/solenoid harness was donated by a '96 Ranger a neighbor was junking, and the 2G alt was donated by my T-Bird, it got a 3G years ago, eventually the comet will as well.

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Comet/cometpainless_zpsa452e924.jpg)


The bottom side with new Torino brakes, other than the center link and inner tie rods from a '77, every piece of steering and suspension is new or rebuilt...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Comet/comettorinobrakes2_zpsb6294e48.jpg)

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Comet/cometpslines_zpsa52972db.jpg)
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: Beau on March 16, 2015, 01:03:07 AM
Yes sir, that's tasty.
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: 50tbrd88 on March 16, 2015, 09:11:38 AM
Nice!  I'm glad its still powered by a SBF and not some belly button LS swap.
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: GDawg148 on March 16, 2015, 12:37:33 PM
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Here's my grandfather's 1974 Comet GT.  Oxford White.
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 16, 2015, 10:52:14 PM
Quote from: GDawg148;446170

Here's my grandfather's 1974 Comet GT.  Oxford White.
Looks like he's gettin' there, has small bumper conversion... Is he planning on adding the stripe??

Mine has the duck tail Maverick Grabber spoiler added, these were not available on Comet... Also both bumpers were freshly rechromed when I got it, plus gas cap and tail lights are NOS...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Comet/cometrear_zps71cfbced.jpg)
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: thunderjet302 on March 17, 2015, 12:10:17 AM
You still have that 69 428 Cobra Jet Fairlane?
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 17, 2015, 12:25:48 AM
Quote from: thunderjet302;446203
You still have that 69 428 Cobra Jet Fairlane?


Yep, want to do some work to it this spring, heater core is leaking, plus the front end needs work, planning on a total front end rebuild with the addition of P/S... Now that I've did same for Comet I know what the pitfalls are(many of the components sold in kits are junk)...

No recent picture I think you've seen this one before...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Cobra/cobra1969_zps9cceb090.jpg)
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: 50tbrd88 on March 17, 2015, 09:12:40 AM
^one of my favorite Ford's EVER.  You have quite the impressive stable!
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 17, 2015, 10:10:12 AM
Quote from: 50tbrd88;446217
^one of my favorite Ford's EVER.  You have quite the impressive stable!

LOL I've owned it a little while, always considered it a keeper from the day I brought it home in March '73...

Pict with 43 year old daughter & myself(gawd I was skinny)...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Cobra/dawncobra_zps3599971d.jpg)

Seven year old(then) granddaughter taken at Aug '13 car show...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Cobra/IMG_1233_zps487bedf8.jpg)
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: 50tbrd88 on March 17, 2015, 12:54:23 PM
Now that's the type of family heirloom I like!  Looks like you are teaching the grand daughter right!
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: thunderjet302 on March 17, 2015, 02:20:27 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;446205
Yep, want to do some work to it this spring, heater core is leaking, plus the front end needs work, planning on a total front end rebuild with the addition of P/S... Now that I've did same for Comet I know what the pitfalls are(many of the components sold in kits are junk)...

No recent picture I think you've seen this one before...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Cobra/cobra1969_zps9cceb090.jpg)

Nice to see you still have it. And for a long time as well. :)

If I'm not mistaken aren't the Fairlane/Torino based on a variation of the Falcon platform? If so the front end rebuild should be similar to the Maverick/Comet.
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 17, 2015, 03:56:05 PM
Yeah from the '60 Falcon thru '80 Granada it's the same basic chassis... Was beefed up in '66 for Fairlane/Comet and '67 For Mustang/Cougar as big blocks became available... From that point on, upper & lower control arms are same through the Granada/Monarch(Torino went full frame in '72 & Mustang hopped in bed with Pinto in '74, those are totally different chassis)...

Interestingly the '66-70 Falcon shares all the suspension of the Fairlanes, even engine bay is exact same and will easily fit a 390/428 even though was never a factory option... The Maverick/Comet were narrowed and Ford bestowed the Torino shock towers(wider than Mustang type), so even a 351 is a tight fit, big blocks ain't happnin' without cutting... The chassis was widened for Granada/Monarch, those fit a 351 reasonably well but big blocks still require mods...
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: thunderjet302 on March 17, 2015, 06:12:08 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;446239
Yeah from the '60 Falcon thru '80 Granada it's the same basic chassis... Was beefed up in '66 for Fairlane/Comet and '67 For Mustang/Cougar as big blocks became available... From that point on, upper & lower control arms are same through the Granada/Monarch(Torino went full frame in '72 & Mustang hopped in bed with Pinto in '74, those are totally different chassis)...

Interestingly the '66-70 Falcon shares all the suspension of the Fairlanes, even engine bay is exact same and will easily fit a 390/428 even though was never a factory option... The Maverick/Comet were narrowed and Ford bestowed the Torino shock towers(wider than Mustang type), so even a 351 is a tight fit, big blocks ain't happnin' without cutting... The chassis was widened for Granada/Monarch, those fit a 351 reasonably well but big blocks still require mods...

I thought that's how it went. Ford got a lot of mileage out of the Falcon platform, just like the Fox platform.

Oddly enough a big block (385 series) fits in a fox no problem.
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: GDawg148 on March 18, 2015, 12:20:40 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;446197
Looks like he's gettin' there, has small bumper conversion... Is he planning on adding the stripe??

Mine has the duck tail Maverick Grabber spoiler added, these were not available on Comet... Also both bumpers were freshly rechromed when I got it, plus gas cap and tail lights are NOS...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Comet/cometrear_zps71cfbced.jpg)


He is definitely adding the stripe.  And yes, the bumper conversion was ideal for his taste.  He is a Mercury fanatic.
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: MeanLX on March 21, 2015, 08:18:02 AM
I like it.
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: cj750 on May 13, 2015, 07:13:33 PM
Just stumbled across this. Great looking Comet.
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: STANG8U on May 13, 2015, 07:47:42 PM
That's bitchin

Clean work
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: Bob on May 13, 2015, 10:14:39 PM
Looks good Tom, how come no kenmore badges under the hood? lol
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on May 14, 2015, 04:21:03 AM
Thanks guys...

Quote from: Bob;448051
Looks good Tom, how come no kenmore badges under the hood? lol


Always chance of a comeback...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/TurboCoupe50/Kenmore_zpsoiaawqwa.jpg)
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: jcassity on May 17, 2015, 04:19:34 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;448057
Thanks guys...



Always chance of a comeback...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/TurboCoupe50/Kenmore_zpsoiaawqwa.jpg)

yes sir,, nice rides as always you do great work.

questions on the Comet,
so there is no metal in the way under the car like a full k member, what are your thoughts on our cougs/birds?.

In your comet I think I see the rack/pinion ties the two sides of your car together and that's it.

I assume that motor even stock had more ponies than our fox's.
why did ford not tie the two sides of the car together with a kmember?

I am staring down into an empty engine bay and wonder what alternatives there are to "not" blocking off an oil pan on a 5.0.
making the oil pan easier to take out by dropping out the bottom.
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on May 17, 2015, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: jcassity;448114
yes sir,, nice rides as always you do great work.

questions on the Comet,
so there is no metal in the way under the car like a full k member, what are your thoughts on our cougs/birds?.

In your comet I think I see the rack/pinion ties the two sides of your car together and that's it.

I assume that motor even stock had more ponies than our fox's.
why did ford not tie the two sides of the car together with a kmember?

I am staring down into an empty engine bay and wonder what alternatives there are to "not" blocking off an oil pan on a 5.0.
making the oil pan easier to take out by dropping out the bottom.

LOL compared to a Fox Chassis this thing is a tin can, with a aluminum headed 5.0 weighs less than 3K Lbs...

What isn't shown in previous pictures are the firewall to shock/spring tower braces and the brace under engine that's affectionately known as a belly bar(only on 302 cars)... It's secured with one bolt on each side, likely doesn't perform much bracing...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Comet/comettowerbarac_zpsfa4iggbe.jpg)

In this one P/S hoses are laying on belly bar... Also no rack & pinion in sight, though it's a popular mod, the aftermarket offers kits that use the Mustang-II system...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/cometenginebay_zpsc601nm2x.jpg)

Original HP for the 1971 models(first year for V8) was listed as 210 but that's a gross figure, real world HP through the asthmatic single exhaust and 2bbl carb, was no more than 150/160(no matter what you're told, there was NEVER a 4-bbl carb or 4-speed available as options for Mav/Comet)... Even that reduced to around 140 when net hp ratings were introduced in 1972 and Ford was trying to meet the new(for '70s) emissions standards... In I believe '75 Hp was as low as 129(No the good ole days weren't as great as we are often led to believe)...

For your Bird, I dunno if there is enough clearance with a aftermarket K member to remove pan in vehicle or not...
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: rodsterh on May 18, 2015, 11:01:19 AM
A buddy of mine just sold a low mileage 72 Comet GT to a guy in Ohio.  I got to see it before it left, neat little car.

Great job on yours!
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on September 27, 2015, 09:34:12 PM
Quote from: rodsterh;448131
A buddy of mine just sold a low mileage 72 Comet GT to a guy in Ohio.  I got to see it before it left, neat little car.

Great job on yours!


Thanks!!! Guess I haven't' been paying attention to this thread...

I did tidy up the plug ire routing, still plan on cutting a custom set...

I've got around 800 miles on it with no major failings, even took it to strip back in Aug...

(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Comet/cometengineright_zpsolaxtc8v.jpg)
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: thunderjet302 on September 28, 2015, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;451414

I've got around 800 miles on it with no major failings, even took it to strip back in Aug...


So how fast did it go?
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on September 28, 2015, 11:16:39 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;451425
So how fast did it go?


Don't ask, the peg leg 3.00 rear killed it..

Well OK, went 9.23@77.7, equates to a 14.4 1/4... With a good gear I'd think it'd go high 8s, still that's a far cry from the 8.40s(13.1) the Bird would run...
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: thunderjet302 on September 29, 2015, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;451446
Don't ask, the peg leg 3.00 rear killed it..

Well OK, went 9.23@77.7, equates to a 14.4 1/4... With a good gear I'd think it'd go high 8s, still that's a far cry from the 8.40s(13.1) the Bird would run...

Ouch. Needs more gear big time. Even my tub-o-lard Thunderbird can pull 8.90s in the 1/8th mile on street tires (with a 2.2 60' :banana:)
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on September 29, 2015, 04:52:12 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;451462
Ouch. Needs more gear big time. Even my tub-o-lard Thunderbird can pull 8.90s in the 1/8th mile on street tires (with a 2.2 60' :banana:)
My 60ft was a 2.18 on street tires, was actually surprised it got out of the hole that well(does have a 2000 Hughes converter)... I have a Traction Lock hat for the 8", just having a hard time deciding what gear... It cruises nicely on the 3.00 but a 3.80(common 8" ratio) would be far better at track... If I were to swap the C4 for a AOD(have two useable spares), the 3.80 would be a no brainer...

It seemed really slow after running the Bird & Marauder(but I had predicted a 9.2).. The Marauder could pull 1.87-1.89 on it's Factory BFG tires, Bird needed drag radials to get a 1.90(best), both ran best 8.40/8.42 in the 1/8... Amazing how similar they'd ET, Marauder did run 85 which was a couple MPH better than T-Bird... Guessing it could have busted into 12s with that speed, that boat would really roll once boost was up...
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: thunderjet302 on September 29, 2015, 06:36:15 PM
Is it spinning off the line? When i'm pulling 2.2 60's in my Thunderbird it's because it's spinning.
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on September 29, 2015, 07:27:26 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;451476
Is it spinning off the line? When i'm pulling 2.2 60's in my Thunderbird it's because it's spinning.

Slightly, "chunk - chunked" a couple times and went on down the track... It didn't use enough of the gear to get out of 2nd, so it could be said it was running a 'Glide with a 4.38 rear... Still doesn't really help that 2K stall...

Guessing with good tires and gear it could pull a 2.0, but the 306 doesn't makes enough power to rival what the old Trick Flow headed 5.0 could..


What MPH did you turn??
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: thunderjet302 on September 29, 2015, 08:27:54 PM
1/8 was 8.9@78. 1/4 was 14.1@98. Mind you this is a car that's 700lbs heavier. With traction it's got mid 13's at over 100 in it.....
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on September 29, 2015, 10:21:15 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;451481
1/8 was 8.9@78. 1/4 was 14.1@98. Mind you this is a car that's 700lbs heavier. With traction it's got mid 13's at over 100 in it.....


Uummm, yeeahhhh but I've always heard tire spin only reduces trap speed slightly... Reason being you aren't moving(much) while spinning, so still have approx same distance to make your speed... No doubt kills the ET by half second or more...

So where's my old ET log book for Bird(that no doubt weighs approx same as yours)...

Ahhh here it is...

First run ever on street tires, spun so bad it had a 2.42 60ft, still went 14.46@99.3 mph... Next run I broke the input shaft so aborted just after half track but short timed 2.17... 1/8 mi time dropped from 9.49 to 9.20, speed was 78.4 on both runs...  That was when it had a 2K B&M converter and 19Lb injectors with stock 55mm MAF meter...

Once I swapped to 2600 stall, 24Lb inj & 76 Pro-M MAF injectors, it pulled a 1.96 on some soft Michelin street tires(yeah that was a surprise) and went 13.56@101.5

Next outing was on a 95* day at Fun Ford, had installed full 2.5" exhaust(prior had some stock 5.0 Stang junk under it)... That day engine temp was over 230* and only pulled 2.07 60ft(still on those Michelins)but ran 13.65, speed increased to 102.6...

Three weeks later with 70-ish temps and exact same combo, it went 1.98 60ft and 13.38@ 103.91... Exhaust system was worth almost two tenths & 2.5MPH... Next time I raced it was a couple months later, it pulled 1.98 and ran 13.40@103.7... Three additional runs with short belt(P/S bypassed) it went 13.33 & two 13.34 at 104.0, .7 & .3...

Finally just prior to end of season I  installed fresh plugs and bumped the timing slightly, that night it went best ever on motor of 1.90 & 13.11@105.32, with a backup run of 13.23@104.7... I think it had gotten too cold on that run, so oil and gear lube were getting thick since it was 45* I probably should have warmed it up more...
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: thunderjet302 on September 29, 2015, 10:55:51 PM
I don't expect it to run 105 or anything but more in the 100 to 101 range. As it sits the car gains both et and mph if I can get it to 60 foot lower. Last year if it pulled a 2.3 60 foot it would consistently run 14.3@97. Pull a 2.2 60 foot and it would go 14.1@98. I figure a 1.8 to 1.9 60 foot should result in 13.6 to 13.7 @ 100 to 101 or so. I'm going to try and run it again this weekend.  I haven't run it with the Performer RPM intake yet. It's supposed to be sunny and 61* both Saturday and Sunday so pretty much perfect weather.

Back on topic but what heads are on the Comet?
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on September 30, 2015, 10:14:43 AM
Quote from: thunderjet302;451485

Back on topic but what heads are on the Comet?

Pro Comps, were on engine when I bought it... Was built by a guy working at local performance machine shop(I think he swept floors), had never been run when I got it... Had a rumpy Wolverine cam in it(forget specs), that I gave a friend... I pulled it down and he inspected valve components, plus went through the short block to be sure it was machined/assembled correctly... I bought the Weiand intake, and more street friendly cam... I also got the EFI E'brock intake and 70mm TB, plus new 30Lb inj & matching MAF meter in the deal...

BTW It's said not to do a burn out at track on street tires, but I found a good smokey and SLOW roll to line worked for me... Heat in tires picks up some rubber & traction compound, the slow roll cools them somewhat so tires are sticky on launch... If too hot the soft rubber rolls of the hard tread and acts almost like grease... No won't equal DR(tho the Michlins I mentioned were super) but unless tires are very hard, most assuredly helps...

Good luck, knock one out of the park...
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: thunderjet302 on September 30, 2015, 07:54:04 PM
What cam is in it now? Maybe the Comet just needs some more cam. Those 30lb injectors and MAF will come in handy with the 331 in the Bird.

I may try a burnout at the track just for fun. I'm going to do it after a regular run just to verify it makes a difference.
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on September 30, 2015, 08:59:59 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;451499
What cam is in it now? Maybe the Comet just needs some more cam. Those 30lb injectors and MAF will come in handy with the 331 in the Bird.

I may try a burnout at the track just for fun. I'm going to do it after a regular run just to verify it makes a difference.

Comet has a Lunati 207/213* with around .470/480 lift(rounding off here), smooth idle over power was the preference...

BTW on launch bring RPMs to near the max it'll stall and just lift brake foot, let it roll for approx half length then start opening throttle, should be able to be WOT by 25-30ft... Of course if you had some stickies, you'd slap the petal & go...
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: thunderjet302 on October 01, 2015, 12:44:36 PM
That's a tiny cam. A little more cam, 2800-3000 stall, and some 3.73s and that little Comet would, well, be a comet ;).
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on October 06, 2015, 01:52:37 PM
Did you make the track?
Title: My 1972 Comet GT
Post by: thunderjet302 on October 06, 2015, 03:50:41 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;451606
Did you make the track?


Not this weekend. It rained Saturday. Sunday the track had a "special event" and wanted $55 for a test and tune session :wtf: (usual price is $30). I'm going to try on the 17th or 18th of the month.

It's about an hour and twenty minute drive to the track (90 miles ish and in Wisconsin) so I want to make sure that when I go I can get a decent amount of runs in. The closer track to me (Joliet) shuts down at the end of September but the one in Wisconsin shuts down after the first week of November. Go figure.....