Title: Marti Report
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 19, 2014, 06:31:03 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 19, 2014, 06:31:03 PM
I spoke with the people at Marti Auto Works and the report for the Fox body Thunderbirds/Cougars is now available. I'm going to try ordering one for my car tonight. I let you know if it works :D.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: EricCoolCats on June 19, 2014, 08:15:43 PM
Post by: EricCoolCats on June 19, 2014, 08:15:43 PM
I'll believe that when it's in your hands!
Title: Marti Report
Post by: Haystack on June 19, 2014, 11:19:45 PM
Post by: Haystack on June 19, 2014, 11:19:45 PM
Id like to see.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 19, 2014, 11:37:33 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 19, 2014, 11:37:33 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;435012
I'll believe that when it's in your hands!
Well I was able to order one. I'll let everyone know when it comes in. I ordered the deluxe report which should be sent in 10-14 days.
In case anyone is wondering what a Marti Report is: http://www.martiauto.com/index.cfm
Title: Marti Report
Post by: EricCoolCats on June 19, 2014, 11:54:35 PM
Post by: EricCoolCats on June 19, 2014, 11:54:35 PM
I checked the site right after I posted before, and it appears they got our cars listed. There is no 3.8L V6 option in the engine dropdown, though. But giving the VIN for the report should solve that issue for now. Did you also do the PDF option?
Title: Marti Report
Post by: V8Demon on June 20, 2014, 07:17:00 AM
Post by: V8Demon on June 20, 2014, 07:17:00 AM
Ooooooooohhh!!!!!!!!
Title: Marti Report
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 20, 2014, 07:26:19 AM
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 20, 2014, 07:26:19 AM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;435021
I checked the site right after I posted before, and it appears they got our cars listed. There is no 3.8L V6 option in the engine dropdown, though. But giving the VIN for the report should solve that issue for now. Did you also do the PDF option?
Yep I got the PDF option. They have the 302 listed but not the 3.8 or 2.3T. I'm pretty sure the "other engine" option + the VIN will work though.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: BCA on June 20, 2014, 07:47:09 AM
Post by: BCA on June 20, 2014, 07:47:09 AM
I've been waiting with bated breath for them to be available and began to wonder if it would ever really happen.
Just hoping that they turn out to be just as detailed as his traditional reports are with the breakdowns of all the options.
Looking forward to seeing what yours reveals.
Edit - Well looking at his site, it appears that the Elite report that gets you a detailed breakdown of the options isn't available for our cars yet. Currently only limited to the Deluxe report.
Just hoping that they turn out to be just as detailed as his traditional reports are with the breakdowns of all the options.
Looking forward to seeing what yours reveals.
Edit - Well looking at his site, it appears that the Elite report that gets you a detailed breakdown of the options isn't available for our cars yet. Currently only limited to the Deluxe report.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 20, 2014, 11:10:11 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 20, 2014, 11:10:11 PM
Well at this point the deluxe version is better than nothing :hick:.
They took my money (came out of my checking account this morning) so I assume I should get a report in 10-14 days.
Also the window stickers are not yet available. That's basically the only thing I'm missing paperwork wise. I would buy one if they would print it.
They took my money (came out of my checking account this morning) so I assume I should get a report in 10-14 days.
Also the window stickers are not yet available. That's basically the only thing I'm missing paperwork wise. I would buy one if they would print it.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: MY83T on June 22, 2014, 02:57:48 AM
Post by: MY83T on June 22, 2014, 02:57:48 AM
Ordered my 83 Bird and 87 XR-7 reports
Title: Marti Report
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 23, 2014, 09:27:48 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 23, 2014, 09:27:48 PM
Quote from: MY83T;435051
Ordered my 83 Bird and 87 XR-7 reports
Let us know when it comes in. I'm still waiting on mine, obviously.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 04, 2014, 12:55:27 AM
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 04, 2014, 12:55:27 AM
Well this showed up today. Apparently my car is rare as there were only 106 made with my paint/trim code. Also the car was purchased by my dad's cousin From Magic Ford in Valencia, California. Must have been a dealer trade.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: Haystack on July 04, 2014, 02:52:32 AM
Post by: Haystack on July 04, 2014, 02:52:32 AM
That's pretty cool.
one of these days I'm gonna do that and a car fax on my 86. It was a hertz car. found a small bag with hertz paper work with vin and model information from 1987 in the spare tire area.
one of these days I'm gonna do that and a car fax on my 86. It was a hertz car. found a small bag with hertz paper work with vin and model information from 1987 in the spare tire area.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: turbotrav on July 04, 2014, 08:28:35 AM
Post by: turbotrav on July 04, 2014, 08:28:35 AM
Pretty neat....
Travis
Travis
Title: Marti Report
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 04, 2014, 05:11:34 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 04, 2014, 05:11:34 PM
You know according to this report there were only 13081 Thunderbirds with my cars engine/transmission code. Does that mean there were only 13081 5.0 V8 Thunderbirds made in 88? After all the 5.0 only came with the AOD so all 5.0 AOD cars would have the same engine/transmission code.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: Haystack on July 04, 2014, 06:39:46 PM
Post by: Haystack on July 04, 2014, 06:39:46 PM
I read it as all tbirds with a 302. was that number. so yes, for your model year there were only 13000 5.0 tbirds. funny, as i have owned 4 87 5.0 birds now...
Title: Marti Report
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 04, 2014, 06:44:31 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 04, 2014, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: Haystack;435495
I read it as all tbirds with a 302. was that number. so yes, for your model year there were only 13000 5.0 tbirds. funny, as i have owned 4 87 5.0 birds now...
That means that an 88 V8 car is rarer than a Turbo Coupe. The bulk of the 88 cars were 3.8 powered, which is probably why they are hardly seen now.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: MY83T on July 04, 2014, 11:21:07 PM
Post by: MY83T on July 04, 2014, 11:21:07 PM
my 2 reports should come monday or tuesday, as i ordered a day after you. Marti's breakdowns are not without controversy as the stats are sometimes misleading. A one of one car is very possible with these Fords because of the strange way you could order options. You could theoretically create a Heritage or élan model by duplicating the options on the checklist upon ordering. So for example a base car with all the options added, for all purposes was a Heritage/elan, but without the nomenclature of the "premium" name, you could have the only base car made with all the options. So technically you might have the only base car made that was ordered in that fashion, but it is not really rare or more desirable. A 1970 Ford Torino wagon ordered with a 429 and drag pak and shaker is the kind of thing that people get excited about because it really is just a crazy factory order. Nothing like that with these cars. I find the stats historically interesting, but i don't think its going to change thinking and values for the Fox cars.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: EricCoolCats on July 04, 2014, 11:49:06 PM
Post by: EricCoolCats on July 04, 2014, 11:49:06 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;435490
You know according to this report there were only 13081 Thunderbirds with my cars engine/transmission code. Does that mean there were only 13081 5.0 V8 Thunderbirds made in 88? After all the 5.0 only came with the AOD so all 5.0 AOD cars would have the same engine/transmission code.
Your vehicle was one of:
866 With these Paint Codes
106 With these Paint/Trim Codes
13,081 With these Engine/Transmission Codes
2,863 Ordered from this DSO
2,570 With Two-Tone Paint
For the 1988 Thunderbird 2-Door LX Sedan
(emphasis mine)
I'm taking that as 13,081 for the LX model in 1988. Reason being: there were 14K Cougar XR7s in 1988. There were many more V8 Cougar LS models. Those both total more than 13K, and the T-Bird sold more than the Cougar that year. So…I'm reading those numbers in relation to being an LX model, not in the whole 1988 Thunderbird realm. Make sense?
And BTW…color me underwhelmed by the Marti report. I have most of that info already from the old, free Ford 999 History Report. My door tag is perfect, and I already knew what all of that info meant. So the only thing I'd pay $50 for would be some general breakdowns for the model year. I'm happy it's available but spending that much cash for something I already have just doesn't make much sense, at least for the '86. I might do it for the '84 for the color breakdown, as I've owned two '84s with the same color code.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: Haystack on July 05, 2014, 03:37:57 AM
Post by: Haystack on July 05, 2014, 03:37:57 AM
That's true. in 87 there was a sport, base and lx that could have had the 302.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 05, 2014, 11:11:04 AM
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 05, 2014, 11:11:04 AM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;435503
Your vehicle was one of:
866 With these Paint Codes
106 With these Paint/Trim Codes
13,081 With these Engine/Transmission Codes
2,863 Ordered from this DSO
2,570 With Two-Tone Paint
For the 1988 Thunderbird 2-Door LX Sedan
(emphasis mine)
I'm taking that as 13,081 for the LX model in 1988. Reason being: there were 14K Cougar XR7s in 1988. There were many more V8 Cougar LS models. Those both total more than 13K, and the T-Bird sold more than the Cougar that year. So…I'm reading those numbers in relation to being an LX model, not in the whole 1988 Thunderbird realm. Make sense?
And BTW…color me underwhelmed by the Marti report. I have most of that info already from the old, free Ford 999 History Report. My door tag is perfect, and I already knew what all of that info meant. So the only thing I'd pay $50 for would be some general breakdowns for the model year. I'm happy it's available but spending that much cash for something I already have just doesn't make much sense, at least for the '86. I might do it for the '84 for the color breakdown, as I've owned two '84s with the same color code.
I missed the For the 1988 Thunderbird 2-Door LX Sedan part. That makes more sense. Still I wonder what the V8 option take was for base cars vs LX? I would guess the LX would be highest followed by the base cars. The Sport has to be the rarest of the 87-88 model Thunderbirds.
I was hoping for a bit more information myself. Since we can't get the "Elite Report" this is the best we can do :hick:. The door tag on my car is intact and perfectly legible as well. I knew all the codes. I was more interested in the model year breakdown than anything else.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: MY83T on July 05, 2014, 11:13:39 AM
Post by: MY83T on July 05, 2014, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: thunderjet302;435520
I was more interested in the model year breakdown than anything else.
Thats why i ordered also, especially on my 83 Heritage.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: sarjxxx on July 07, 2014, 01:45:44 PM
Post by: sarjxxx on July 07, 2014, 01:45:44 PM
that's pretty neat. I will definitely have to check this out for mine. I didn't even know such a report existed.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: MY83T on July 09, 2014, 09:21:21 PM
Post by: MY83T on July 09, 2014, 09:21:21 PM
Got my 1st report today for the 83 Thunderbird.....some interesting stats, and thats the only reason i ordered one.
Here are the highlights:
17,866 Silver T-Birds all models (Thats less than 13% of total production for 1983 across all trim levels)
109 Silver Birds with my Paint and interior color scheme (less than 2% of total production)
29,786 Heritage Models out of 122,000 total production (thats about 24%) (TC made up about 10.3% of model production) So 35% of Birds were TC or Heritage cars, 65% was base birds.
Engine/Transmission is nothing special because that refers to only V8's with AOD Transmission, and not all V8 Production, but those figures are available. 31.9% of total Tbird production for 1983 was made up of V8 cars. No way to know how many had AOD vs C4 etc
Title: Marti Report
Post by: EricCoolCats on July 09, 2014, 09:39:38 PM
Post by: EricCoolCats on July 09, 2014, 09:39:38 PM
All V8 cars had the AOD. There was no V8/C5 combo. So that should help you a little. ;)
Title: Marti Report
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 09, 2014, 10:50:24 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 09, 2014, 10:50:24 PM
Quote from: MY83T;435702
Got my 1st report today for the 83 Thunderbird.....some interesting stats, and thats the only reason i ordered one.
Here are the highlights:
17,866 Silver T-Birds all models (Thats less than 13% of total production for 1983 across all trim levels)
109 Silver Birds with my Paint and interior color scheme (less than 2% of total production)
29,786 Heritage Models out of 122,000 total production (thats about 24%) (TC made up about 10.3% of model production) So 35% of Birds were TC or Heritage cars, 65% was base birds.
Engine/Transmission is nothing special because that refers to only V8's with AOD Transmission, and not all V8 Production, but those figures are available. 31.9% of total Tbird production for 1983 was made up of V8 cars. No way to know how many had AOD vs C4 etc
Odd that for your report it was for all '83 Thunderbirds but for mine it was broken down to just Thunderbird LX.
On a side note we both have kinda "rare" cars. For mine I know only 106 cars were made in '88 with my cars paint/trim code. You could only order leather in the color my car has on the LX Thunderbird.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: BCA on July 10, 2014, 01:32:10 PM
Post by: BCA on July 10, 2014, 01:32:10 PM
So all of his Deluxe series reports contain:
In your report directly under the STATISTICS, I think it would be better if it stated it like:
For 1983 there were 121,999 Thunderbird 2-Door Sedans built
Your vehicle was one of:
29,786 ordered with Heritage trim group
And on Thunderjet302’s report:
For 1988 there were 147,243 Thunderbird 2-Door Sedans built
Your vehicle was one of:
xx,xxx ordered with LX trim group
By listing the total number of the Thunderbirds/Cougars built, then listing the production number of the trim level, and then a breakdown of the paint etc., it would give the owner a better idea of how many of their particular car were built that year.
Trying not to be too critical of his reports, but I think that the Statistics section could use a bit of work so that the breakdown numbers he shows could be taken more into context. There is plenty of room on that report to add another couple more lines of text without getting real specific like the Elite report does.
Like Eric, between the Ford 999 report, having a copy of my cars original invoice, and being that I purchased it from the original owner, I pretty much have most of what's in the report. However I’ve always wondered what the manual vs. automatic build ratio was on my car so I think I’m going to going to bite the bullet and order one of these before the price goes up.
- Paint Code
- Paint / Trim Code
- Engine / Transmission Code
- DSO
In your report directly under the STATISTICS, I think it would be better if it stated it like:
For 1983 there were 121,999 Thunderbird 2-Door Sedans built
Your vehicle was one of:
29,786 ordered with Heritage trim group
And on Thunderjet302’s report:
For 1988 there were 147,243 Thunderbird 2-Door Sedans built
Your vehicle was one of:
xx,xxx ordered with LX trim group
By listing the total number of the Thunderbirds/Cougars built, then listing the production number of the trim level, and then a breakdown of the paint etc., it would give the owner a better idea of how many of their particular car were built that year.
Trying not to be too critical of his reports, but I think that the Statistics section could use a bit of work so that the breakdown numbers he shows could be taken more into context. There is plenty of room on that report to add another couple more lines of text without getting real specific like the Elite report does.
Like Eric, between the Ford 999 report, having a copy of my cars original invoice, and being that I purchased it from the original owner, I pretty much have most of what's in the report. However I’ve always wondered what the manual vs. automatic build ratio was on my car so I think I’m going to going to bite the bullet and order one of these before the price goes up.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: V8Demon on July 10, 2014, 03:19:37 PM
Post by: V8Demon on July 10, 2014, 03:19:37 PM
The Ford 999 report MIGHT not be free any longer. Googling the old site; ownerconnection.com doesn't show it as a list any longer.
Word is that the regular 999 report goes for $17 and the deluxe report is $46.....
Guess Ford got wise to how much money was being lost by doing this gratis.
I went HERE (http://"http://www.ford.com/help/contact/") and in the FAQ box typed "999 report."
I was presented with the following......
Here's the link to the reports page on Shop Ford Gear.
http://www.shopfordgear.com/find.asp?search_type=by_dept&dept_id=16&d=16&c=48652YHNOREJJK4&session=1D0DA4F3BEAE4413AA0F0B7E59A67B30
Word is that the regular 999 report goes for $17 and the deluxe report is $46.....
Guess Ford got wise to how much money was being lost by doing this gratis.
I went HERE (http://"http://www.ford.com/help/contact/") and in the FAQ box typed "999 report."
I was presented with the following......
Quote
Best Answer
Available for 1967 model year and newer vehicles, a Basic Build Sheet will detail your vehicle's "as built" options:
- Model year
- Manufacturing plant name and location
- Body style
- Build date
- Engine size
- Consecutive unit serial number
- Transmission description
- Rear axle ratio and description (locking or non-locking)
- Tire size
- Exterior paint color and code
- Interior trim color and code
- Interior options
- Any other option information available
The Deluxe Build Sheet will include all available production figures in addition to the Basic Build Sheet information. Each build sheet is drafted on Ford stationery that is signed by Ms. Elena Ford -- a great addition to any car enthusiast's collection.
Build Sheets can be ordered online at the Shop Ford Gear website. U.S. residents without internet access who want to order a Build Sheet can contact our supplier HELM's customer support at 1-877-247-0195. A Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) will be required to place an order. Build Sheets for a vehicle with a model year 1991 or newer are mailed within 7-10 business days of ordering and Build sheets for model years 1990 to 1967 vehicles may take 4-6 weeks to retrieve the information from our systems. VINs for vehicles with model years up to 1981 are 11 characters long and are 17 characters long for model years 1982 to the present.
Additional Information
VIN Decode Letter(vehicles older than 1967 with or without a Door Tag)
Here's the link to the reports page on Shop Ford Gear.
http://www.shopfordgear.com/find.asp?search_type=by_dept&dept_id=16&d=16&c=48652YHNOREJJK4&session=1D0DA4F3BEAE4413AA0F0B7E59A67B30
Title: Marti Report
Post by: MY83T on July 10, 2014, 03:52:51 PM
Post by: MY83T on July 10, 2014, 03:52:51 PM
Paulie, read my thread regarding the new 999 reports from Ford........not so good.....
http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?32319-My-FORD-999-report-came-today-1983-Thunderbird&highlight=999+report
This passage is the most relevant concerning the 999..........
UPDATE.......I got a full refund for my report. I complained that the "deluxe" report had only a single production number which is public knowledge, and the "signed" report by Mrs. Ford was computer generated when the website implies that its a real signature. They were very quick to refund my money once i lodged a formal complaint.
http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?32319-My-FORD-999-report-came-today-1983-Thunderbird&highlight=999+report
This passage is the most relevant concerning the 999..........
UPDATE.......I got a full refund for my report. I complained that the "deluxe" report had only a single production number which is public knowledge, and the "signed" report by Mrs. Ford was computer generated when the website implies that its a real signature. They were very quick to refund my money once i lodged a formal complaint.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: V8Demon on July 10, 2014, 04:05:36 PM
Post by: V8Demon on July 10, 2014, 04:05:36 PM
Yeah, basically ZERO info for $17.....
And it would appear their "deluxe" report is more costly than the Marti?
Yeah, I'll do the Marti.
And it would appear their "deluxe" report is more costly than the Marti?
Yeah, I'll do the Marti.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 10, 2014, 05:46:04 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 10, 2014, 05:46:04 PM
Quote from: BCA;435731
So all of his Deluxe series reports contain:
And then one more breakdown of their choosing that might be of interest. Personally I could care less about the how many were ordered with the same DSO number.
- Paint Code
- Paint / Trim Code
- Engine / Transmission Code
- DSO
In your report directly under the STATISTICS, I think it would be better if it stated it like:
For 1983 there were 121,999 Thunderbird 2-Door Sedans built
Your vehicle was one of:
29,786 ordered with Heritage trim group
And on Thunderjet302’s report:
For 1988 there were 147,243 Thunderbird 2-Door Sedans built
Your vehicle was one of:
xx,xxx ordered with LX trim group
By listing the total number of the Thunderbirds/Cougars built, then listing the production number of the trim level, and then a breakdown of the paint etc., it would give the owner a better idea of how many of their particular car were built that year.
Trying not to be too critical of his reports, but I think that the Statistics section could use a bit of work so that the breakdown numbers he shows could be taken more into context. There is plenty of room on that report to add another couple more lines of text without getting real specific like the Elite report does.
Like Eric, between the Ford 999 report, having a copy of my cars original invoice, and being that I purchased it from the original owner, I pretty much have most of what's in the report. However I’ve always wondered what the manual vs. automatic build ratio was on my car so I think I’m going to going to bite the bullet and order one of these before the price goes up.
I would have liked "xx,xxx ordered with the LX trim group" info as well. I've been curious if there were more LX or Turbo Coupe Thunderbirds produced in '88. From what I've seen of cars for sale it has been Base>Turbo Coupe>LX>Sport. I would like to know if my observations are correct or not.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: MY83T on July 22, 2014, 09:49:20 PM
Post by: MY83T on July 22, 2014, 09:49:20 PM
My 87 Cougar XR-7 Marti arrived......
Only 37 XR-7's made with Silver and Smoke paint and Blue leather interior.......thats low numbers for sure.
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg169/my70gt/1MEBM62F3HH669957dlxrpt.jpg) (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/my70gt/media/1MEBM62F3HH669957dlxrpt.jpg.html)
Only 37 XR-7's made with Silver and Smoke paint and Blue leather interior.......thats low numbers for sure.
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg169/my70gt/1MEBM62F3HH669957dlxrpt.jpg) (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/my70gt/media/1MEBM62F3HH669957dlxrpt.jpg.html)
Title: Marti Report
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 22, 2014, 11:04:55 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 22, 2014, 11:04:55 PM
37 is kind of low. Really low. I bet most silver cars got a gray interior.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: BCA on November 10, 2016, 07:13:58 PM
Post by: BCA on November 10, 2016, 07:13:58 PM
I finally got around to ordering a Marti Report for my car.
I already knew most of what the report would show such as the selling dealer, build date, order type, DSO etc., but there were two figures that the report should show that I didn’t know before. How many of ‘85 Cougars were built in Medium Canyon Red Metallic and how many ’85 XR-7’s were built with a manual transmission.
So while the report did give me these two figures, it also states says that number of XR-7’s built for 1985 was 8,103. This number conflicts with the 7,860 figure that was in both the Mercury Cougar 20th Anniversary Cougar book by Gary Witzenburg (published in 1987), and the Illustrated Mercury Buyer’s Guide by Peter C. Sessler (1993). I’m guessing that Sessler pulled his number from the earlier published book and that is why the 7,860 figure is the same in both books. It’s not too far off from the Marti number, but it makes me wonder where that number came from originally assuming the Marti number is accurate one.
So these are the percentage numbers that I am extrapolating from it based on a total 1985 Cougar (all trim levels) of 117,274 that has been previously reported.
Total 1985 Cougar production - 117,274
XR-7 production – 8,103 - 6.9%
7,939 total Cougar’s with Medium Canyon Red Metallic paint – 6.7%
1,246 XR-7’s with Medium Canyon Red Metallic paint – 15.3%
2,614 XR-7’s with manual transmission – 32.2%
I already knew most of what the report would show such as the selling dealer, build date, order type, DSO etc., but there were two figures that the report should show that I didn’t know before. How many of ‘85 Cougars were built in Medium Canyon Red Metallic and how many ’85 XR-7’s were built with a manual transmission.
So while the report did give me these two figures, it also states says that number of XR-7’s built for 1985 was 8,103. This number conflicts with the 7,860 figure that was in both the Mercury Cougar 20th Anniversary Cougar book by Gary Witzenburg (published in 1987), and the Illustrated Mercury Buyer’s Guide by Peter C. Sessler (1993). I’m guessing that Sessler pulled his number from the earlier published book and that is why the 7,860 figure is the same in both books. It’s not too far off from the Marti number, but it makes me wonder where that number came from originally assuming the Marti number is accurate one.
So these are the percentage numbers that I am extrapolating from it based on a total 1985 Cougar (all trim levels) of 117,274 that has been previously reported.
Total 1985 Cougar production - 117,274
XR-7 production – 8,103 - 6.9%
7,939 total Cougar’s with Medium Canyon Red Metallic paint – 6.7%
1,246 XR-7’s with Medium Canyon Red Metallic paint – 15.3%
2,614 XR-7’s with manual transmission – 32.2%
Title: Marti Report
Post by: EricCoolCats on November 10, 2016, 10:44:56 PM
Post by: EricCoolCats on November 10, 2016, 10:44:56 PM
Well congrats on the purchase. It's great to see these available for our cars at long last and after all you've been through with the car, you deserve it.
As for the production numbers...I've talked to a LOT of people with Mustangs and they've expressed concern over some details of their reports. The Marti report is not the be-all, end-all. It's a good guesstimate for some things. But it's not always 100% accurate. Personally I'll take published Ford numbers first but that's just me. Did you happen to get the Ford 999 report for your car also?
As for the production numbers...I've talked to a LOT of people with Mustangs and they've expressed concern over some details of their reports. The Marti report is not the be-all, end-all. It's a good guesstimate for some things. But it's not always 100% accurate. Personally I'll take published Ford numbers first but that's just me. Did you happen to get the Ford 999 report for your car also?
Title: Marti Report
Post by: ZondaC12 on November 11, 2016, 09:15:43 AM
Post by: ZondaC12 on November 11, 2016, 09:15:43 AM
Might do this for the red car anyway. Would like to know how many of them were fully loaded with the....FIVE options lol
Title: Marti Report
Post by: BCA on November 11, 2016, 05:45:53 PM
Post by: BCA on November 11, 2016, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;457802
Well congrats on the purchase. It's great to see these available for our cars at long last and after all you've been through with the car, you deserve it.
As for the production numbers...I've talked to a LOT of people with Mustangs and they've expressed concern over some details of their reports. The Marti report is not the be-all, end-all. It's a good guesstimate for some things. But it's not always 100% accurate. Personally I'll take published Ford numbers first but that's just me. Did you happen to get the Ford 999 report for your car also?
Thanks Eric.
Yes I have the 999 report as well. It's got a spelling error "Medium Cayon Red" :hick:. And it missing a few options from the list:
- Electronic Climate Control
- Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel
- Power Antenna
Title: Marti Report
Post by: EricCoolCats on November 15, 2016, 01:41:46 PM
Post by: EricCoolCats on November 15, 2016, 01:41:46 PM
So what are your thoughts then, Brent? I know the 999 reports were often erroneous and that's generally okay, because you just compare that to what your car has, and/or the build sheet, and deduce from there. Marti goes a little more in-depth with the data mining. But the problem is, we have no other reference point for the data. All we have is his word.
So whose production numbers do you trust more: Marti's, or Ford's?
I mean...I would hope that Ford would know better than anyone else, how many cars they actually built. And it's possible that the Marti production numbers could include VINs that were ordered but not produced...unless there's something I'm missing here.
So whose production numbers do you trust more: Marti's, or Ford's?
I mean...I would hope that Ford would know better than anyone else, how many cars they actually built. And it's possible that the Marti production numbers could include VINs that were ordered but not produced...unless there's something I'm missing here.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on November 15, 2016, 03:37:18 PM
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on November 15, 2016, 03:37:18 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;457907
I mean...I would hope that Ford would know better than anyone else, how many cars they actually built. And it's possible that the Marti production numbers could include VINs that were ordered but not produced...unless there's something I'm missing here.
I agree that by the '80s Ford should know how many they built but for my '69 Cobra until Marti started his reports, no one had a clue... Sure they had a figure but it was mix of Cobra and Fairlane.. Reason being the Cobra shared body ID/trim codes with Fairlane or Fairlane 500 if bucket seats were ordered... The body ID in VIN is different on the various models, but Ford didn't bother keeping records of those figures(and how Marti was able to separate the models)...
Title: Marti Report
Post by: BCA on November 15, 2016, 05:11:04 PM
Post by: BCA on November 15, 2016, 05:11:04 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;457907
So what are your thoughts then, Brent? I know the 999 reports were often erroneous and that's generally okay, because you just compare that to what your car has, and/or the build sheet, and deduce from there. Marti goes a little more in-depth with the data mining. But the problem is, we have no other reference point for the data. All we have is his word.
So whose production numbers do you trust more: Marti's, or Ford's?
I mean...I would hope that Ford would know better than anyone else, how many cars they actually built. And it's possible that the Marti production numbers could include VINs that were ordered but not produced...unless there's something I'm missing here.
Agreed, the 999 reports are notoriously known to have errors or inconsistencies in them, and as far as I have seen, not really considered to be 100% correct. Just a nice letter to have since it is from Ford. Based on what I have seen, whoever is tasked to generate these letters, they are just given a VIN, pull up the option codes and translate them into something that can be put in a letter and sometimes the option code gets miss-translated in the process. I get the feeling that they are tasked to someone at Ford who may not even know what a 1985 Cougar looks like. :wtf: I say that because when my sister was an engineer working at Ford and she took me on an "unauthorized" self-guided tour of the Mustang plant, I met a lot of her fellow engineers that just weren't car people in the least. It was quite an eye opener for me that I just didn't expect.
Having a Marti report has always carried a lot of weight in the collector car world as far as being the most accurate info possible for what options it was originally equipped with, total production and production breakdown numbers. I have heard of a few errors that have popped up in them as well, but with a little communication he will make corrections if there are proven correct.
So going forward, I would tend to believe the Marti report will be considered to be the most accurate just based on how the classic Ford community has accepted it as such.
Now with that said, I am not 100% convinced that it is and there are two reasons that I have some doubts.
One is the difference total production figure he states vs what has been out there and first published back in 1987 when that 7,860 figure was still pretty fresh so you would think it should have been correct.
Two is that when I requested my Marti report, he asked for a photo of the door tag. To me that seemed odd because I would think that he wouldn't need a picture of it and that he would have all of the information he needed from the VIN.
I obliged of course and sent him a pic of the door tag and I also sent him a copy of the original dealer invoice that I have.. In hindsight I kind of wished that I hadn't sent the copy of the invoice as it would have been a good test to see if his option list matched up.
That is a good point about the possibility of unbuilt VIN's. I don't know what kind of information he has to work from, but I would also think that with his years of experience in doing these reports, that he would know what to look for.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: BCA on November 15, 2016, 05:53:45 PM
Post by: BCA on November 15, 2016, 05:53:45 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;457916
I agree that by the '80s Ford should know how many they built but for my '69 Cobra until Marti started his reports, no one had a clue... Sure they had a figure but it was mix of Cobra and Fairlane.. Reason being the Cobra shared body ID/trim codes with Fairlane or Fairlane 500 if bucket seats were ordered... The body ID in VIN is different on the various models, but Ford didn't bother keeping records of those figures(and how Marti was able to separate the models)...
I am really curious to know what he has to work with to generate his reports. Several years ago a friend of mine who is a Mopar guy personally knew a the guy that worked on the assembly line where they built the Dodge Daytona in the 1990's and it was his job to print out the build sheets that went with the car down the line. He knew the importance of them to the car collector so he said that whenever he saw a "special" model coming down the line, he would print several copies for that car and put them in various places.
This same Mopar Friend had bought a 1993 Daytona IROC R/T in bright red with red leather interior and that same guy the worked the assemble line generated a report at the end of the year of all the 1993 Daytona's produced with the color and option breakdowns and gave it to him. I have a copy of it somewhere, but instead of showing a specific number a cars built with a certain option, it lists everything in percentages so you have to decipher what you are looking for by doing the math.
I wonder if it's a report like this that Marti works from.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: EricCoolCats on November 15, 2016, 06:08:07 PM
Post by: EricCoolCats on November 15, 2016, 06:08:07 PM
Brent, I'll pm some info to you.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: Thunder Chicken on November 15, 2016, 08:16:23 PM
Post by: Thunder Chicken on November 15, 2016, 08:16:23 PM
I'd have liked to have done a Marti report on my first T-Bird, the light sage green 1985 v6. I am fairly certain the car was a rare colour combo - light sage green with dark grey interior. I remember seeing something before that led me to believe mine may have been the only one built like that (light sage green was not common, and the few cars painted like that usually had tan interior). Some other things that would have added to the rarity: Canadian market (2bbl carb instead of EFI) and no options except full size spare and metallic paint. I mean BASIC. The centre consolette plate was blank. AM/FM radio (no tape). No right side mirror. No cruise, no A/C, no intermittent wipers. Steel 14" wheels with the base full-face hubcaps. It did have rear window defrost but that was standard in Canadian market cars.
If I ever find another four-eye Bird I'd be awfully tempted to paint it light sage green metallic and find a grey interior for it. That colour combo looked really good on that car.
If I ever find another four-eye Bird I'd be awfully tempted to paint it light sage green metallic and find a grey interior for it. That colour combo looked really good on that car.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on November 15, 2016, 08:37:15 PM
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on November 15, 2016, 08:37:15 PM
Quote from: BCA;457931
I am really curious to know what he has to work with to generate his reports..
I dunno how he determines numbers built, but I'd think a cancelled order would be highlighted so it would not be included into his database...
As far as cancelled/void there are a couple people with Mavericks that have two VIN numbers stamped into chassis... One number has a large V at each end to indicate a voided number, other one matches windshield VIN tag and title... Now the question is was it a mis-stamp, cancelled order or just what??? One of the guys said he was going to try for a second Marti report on the voided VIN but as yet has not done so...
Title: Marti Report
Post by: FoxChassis on January 12, 2017, 07:37:43 PM
Post by: FoxChassis on January 12, 2017, 07:37:43 PM
Marti's numbers are Ford's numbers. Marti Auto gets their data directly from Ford's production database. Or as TurboCoupe50 pointed out above, the vehicle order image (VOI).
Sometimes there seems to be a little confusion as to what the production stats box on a deluxe report is telling you. The simplest way to understand it is that the stats on a deluxe report are by body code in the VIN. If all models in any particular year had the same body code, e.g. all 1985 Cougars had body code "92" in the VIN, then the first four stats are for all models that year, not a specific model. For example, the 1246 paint/trim stat on BCA's report on page 4 of this thread is for all 1985 Cougars. That stat is not just for XR-7s.
There are only two ways you could surmise that the stats on a deluxe report would be for a specific model: 1) that particular model had a unique body code in the VIN, e.g. 1987 Cougars XR-7 was "62"; OR 2) the item(s) that the stat is referring to was/were unique to one model, e.g. 1985 Cougar XR-7 was only model to have engine/trans code combination "W/2".
By the way, if you believe there is an error on your report contact Marti Auto and discuss it with them. They will redo your report no charge to you if it is wrong.
Sometimes there seems to be a little confusion as to what the production stats box on a deluxe report is telling you. The simplest way to understand it is that the stats on a deluxe report are by body code in the VIN. If all models in any particular year had the same body code, e.g. all 1985 Cougars had body code "92" in the VIN, then the first four stats are for all models that year, not a specific model. For example, the 1246 paint/trim stat on BCA's report on page 4 of this thread is for all 1985 Cougars. That stat is not just for XR-7s.
There are only two ways you could surmise that the stats on a deluxe report would be for a specific model: 1) that particular model had a unique body code in the VIN, e.g. 1987 Cougars XR-7 was "62"; OR 2) the item(s) that the stat is referring to was/were unique to one model, e.g. 1985 Cougar XR-7 was only model to have engine/trans code combination "W/2".
By the way, if you believe there is an error on your report contact Marti Auto and discuss it with them. They will redo your report no charge to you if it is wrong.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: BCA on January 13, 2017, 11:00:43 AM
Post by: BCA on January 13, 2017, 11:00:43 AM
Hi FoxChassis, thanks for the clarification.
I just found it a bit peculiar that the XR-7 production number was not what had been published before. Overall, I’m satisfied for the most part with the report and feel that the figures are most likely accurate. Would I like them to be double checked? Sure. Do I think that I would get a different figure back the second time? Part of me thinks it could be, but really I doubt that they would be different for various reasons.
I understand that the figures are derived from total 1985 Cougar production and you are correct that I was wrong when I stated the 1,246 figure as only the number of 1985 XR-7’s that were painted in Medium Canyon Red Metallic (2M paint code).
However since the MJ interior trim code was only available on XR-7 models, the figure is still an XR-7 only figure so that means the total number of XR-7’s in 1985 with Medium Canyon Red Metallic paint and Oxford Gray Cloth interior was 1,246.
Correct?
I just found it a bit peculiar that the XR-7 production number was not what had been published before. Overall, I’m satisfied for the most part with the report and feel that the figures are most likely accurate. Would I like them to be double checked? Sure. Do I think that I would get a different figure back the second time? Part of me thinks it could be, but really I doubt that they would be different for various reasons.
I understand that the figures are derived from total 1985 Cougar production and you are correct that I was wrong when I stated the 1,246 figure as only the number of 1985 XR-7’s that were painted in Medium Canyon Red Metallic (2M paint code).
However since the MJ interior trim code was only available on XR-7 models, the figure is still an XR-7 only figure so that means the total number of XR-7’s in 1985 with Medium Canyon Red Metallic paint and Oxford Gray Cloth interior was 1,246.
Correct?
Title: Marti Report
Post by: FoxChassis on January 14, 2017, 07:23:10 AM
Post by: FoxChassis on January 14, 2017, 07:23:10 AM
If MJ trim (cloth Functional Sport seating, Oxford Gray interior) was available only in the XR-7 then yes you are correct in that stat would be for the XR-7 only.
Title: Marti Report
Post by: MY83T on January 31, 2017, 10:19:08 PM
Post by: MY83T on January 31, 2017, 10:19:08 PM
My Marti Report..... Fox Chassis, notice my build date info......
Title: Marti Report
Post by: FoxChassis on February 26, 2017, 10:31:37 AM
Post by: FoxChassis on February 26, 2017, 10:31:37 AM
Is there something wrong with the dates?
Title: Marti Report
Post by: BCA on April 07, 2017, 05:59:44 PM
Post by: BCA on April 07, 2017, 05:59:44 PM
Quote from: MY83T;459044
My Marti Report..... Fox Chassis, notice my build date info......
Ordered and built dates that close together are probably pretty rare, but not unheard of. It reminds me of when I was working at the dealership about this time of the year in 1990.
There was a prominent local businessman that had his Mark VII LSC in for some service and while he was there he mentioned his interest in a Mustang GT, but he hadn’t said anything concrete other than it would have to be bright red and a 5-speed. It was a small dealership and at the time we usually only kept one or two Mustang in stock even in the summer and rarely a 5.0L car, usually the just 2.3L cars.
Just a few days after he was in, we got a call from Dearborn asking us if we could please place an order for some Mustangs to help them keep their banks filled as they were getting low on orders and they were trying to keep the plant running at capacity.
So we ordered a Bright Red 5-Speed GT with Titanium leather. This order was placed on Tuesday and the following Monday morning a car hauler pulled in haul away pulled in and unloaded it.
We were all stunned and it shattered the dealerships previous ordered / arrived date which previously was at 20 days. The joke was that the person that called us was probably sitting on the production line entering the build info at the same time we were on the phone confirming the order.