Technical => Engine Swapping => Topic started by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 13, 2013, 12:11:28 AM
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 13, 2013, 12:11:28 AM
:slap: Now get the shag out.
That is all. :fordbang:
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Post by: STANG8U on January 13, 2013, 12:29:15 AM
^ this guy
Ford blue for life lol
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Post by: 88turbo on January 13, 2013, 02:26:30 PM
I agree with the last two posts, that is not what we are about here.....
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Post by: vinnietbird on January 13, 2013, 11:48:35 PM
I am ford guy, and I'm all about Ford engines in a Ford, BUT, it has been done, and can be done fairly easy. There are adapter motor mounts available for Mustangs that will work in your car easily if you have the crossmember like a Stang (which I THINK an '85 has). As far as wiring it, and the rest, I have no idea. I see these swaps done a lot in Stangs. But, with this being a Fox body as a Stang is, those swap parts should do the job for you.
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Post by: STANG8U on January 13, 2013, 11:58:18 PM
I think every ford with a chebbie motor should be crushed
I know they can make good power and can be good motors .... Hell I love the 5.3 in my truck but keep it in a Chevy
I love old gm and would love to build a ls box nova nothing wrong with that
But I want to pee on every fox I see with a sbc motor
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Post by: Beau on January 14, 2013, 12:32:28 AM
Cue Tom Renzo in 3...2....1.....
No love for crossbreeds from me either.
What about that one asshole who won't be named, that specialized (or so he claimed) in swapping 5.0 engines into S10 trucks (and ripping people off, too)?
OP, why not just get the 351w swap pan from Big B and go with a windsor/gt40 heads/ho cam and an AOD with upgraded internals. Keep it Ford, keep it simple. Just my nickel's worth of opinion..
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on January 14, 2013, 04:53:28 PM
Quote from: jwlott85;406786
I just found out I will soon be in posession of a 355 sbc short block with a spun bearing(s), im wondering what you all think as far as stuffing it into the 85, ive always been more of a gm guy but the fox chassis is easier to work with, i figure i would just rebuild it with some decent heads on a carb and mate it to a stalled 700r4, anyone else heard of another tbird with a similar setup?
easy to do, i done it in the past i made my own mounts, use g body or 1st gen camaro headers
dont listen to the haters there just jealous use what you have
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 14, 2013, 05:12:20 PM
This guy ^ :mullet: See, jwlott85, you're not the only one who ate the paint chips. And now, thanks to your favorite tasty lead based snacks, you've got a new friend.
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on January 14, 2013, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: TheFoeYouKnow;406972
This guy ^ :mullet: See, jwlott85, you're not the only one who ate the paint chips. And now, thanks to your favorite tasty lead based snacks, you've got a new friend.
^ lmao guess some people just dont understand it's all just metal in the end
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on January 14, 2013, 05:20:04 PM
Quote from: TheFoeYouKnow;406972
This guy ^ :mullet: See, jwlott85, you're not the only one who ate the paint chips. And now, thanks to your favorite tasty lead based snacks, you've got a new friend.
^ lmao guess some people just dont understand it's all just metal in the end
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 14, 2013, 05:27:29 PM
That's not what the doctor says about lead-based paint, but if you like it that much, go get it little buddy it's all yours.
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on January 14, 2013, 05:34:54 PM
Quote from: TheFoeYouKnow;406976
That's not what the doctor says about lead-based paint, but if you like it that much, go get it little buddy it's all yours.
I think it is time to go change your tampon and take a midol.
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 14, 2013, 05:50:09 PM
I think it's time for more paint chips, and remember not to drink the bong water. :pbb:
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Post by: TOM Renzo on January 14, 2013, 09:55:20 PM
Oh
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Post by: jwlott85 on January 14, 2013, 10:10:03 PM
well if i was getting an lsx platform shortblock i would, but it was merely a suggestion i didnt realise everyone was gonna get all buttmad about it, i guess maybe me and my friends a little used to seeing crossbreeds of anything and everything, and if i had money to dump into a coyote swap and then the money to actually make it hang with the average Lsx car i might aswell have bought what i wanted haha
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 14, 2013, 10:59:01 PM
I'll tell you what, jwlott, build your SBC, sell it and use it to finance a .030 over 351 with a Lightning lower a Cobra upper, 36 Lb/hr injectors, a 75mm MAF, an A9P, a TFS stage 1 cam, BBK or FRPP swap headers and a fox pump, pan and pickup. Bolt it to a smartly built AOD and roll like thunder.
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Post by: STANG8U on January 14, 2013, 11:31:21 PM
That's a good idea but you could go so much further with a 351 base motor and slap around a sbc
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Post by: TOM Renzo on January 15, 2013, 05:57:21 AM
FOE no one uses a GEN1 Any more just the purist builders or the stockers. Even the big block CHEVYS are BOAT ANCHORS. With the LS dominating the field there is no need to add another GEN1 that will cost more to build than it is worth. If you go CHEVY (OOPS NOW I HAVE DUN IT!!!!) The LS platform is the ticket. As for ford build away and have fun!!
Example i picked up a 327 from a late model chevy and installed a cam and a few mods PRESTO 430 Ponies and this for under 1500 bucks just saying. (Now i have really dun it)
Go with a COYOTE and then they will FEAR YOU!!!
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 15, 2013, 06:44:45 AM
Considering your comments, Tom, since he DOESN'T have a LS, but indeed a gen 1 which as you say isn't worth building, then as I said, he's better off selling it for a 351. Or a coyote, which is probably out of the price range. I've got a 4-valve 4.6 from a Mark VIII I'm looking to sell...
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Post by: TOM Renzo on January 15, 2013, 12:17:01 PM
Fo
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 15, 2013, 12:59:00 PM
There you go then. I now like you a little bit better, Tom. But I despise swaps, an I apologize for it to no one.
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Post by: STANG8U on January 15, 2013, 03:18:36 PM
Very nice
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Post by: TOM Renzo on January 15, 2013, 05:27:45 PM
Yo
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Post by: slowbird on January 15, 2013, 08:10:15 PM
I've done it before in my old notchback,chevy is all I own, come next winter tbird in my sig will have a sbc or bbc. That is unless I finally sell it....
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Post by: slowbird on January 15, 2013, 08:15:33 PM
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Post by: STANG8U on January 15, 2013, 08:28:44 PM
I don't want to know what's under the hood of that notch but its shagy
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Post by: slowbird on January 15, 2013, 08:41:08 PM
Lol I'll tell ya anyways sbc 406 aluminum heads n/a
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Post by: thunderjet302 on January 15, 2013, 10:11:35 PM
I still want to put a "385 series" 514ci BB Ford in a '69 Camaro. All the cool looks of a gen1 Camaro without that py orange engine under the hood ;).
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Post by: Beau on January 15, 2013, 10:16:06 PM
I actually have to agree with Tom renzo. IF, and that's a big fawking if...if I was going to build a crossbreed car, I'd go with the LS-whatever, instead of the Gen(eric)1 SBC. Nothing is more boring than another ed sbc with a Holley.
Of course, if I had an LS engine, I'd probably just put it in my blue K truck and enjoy the hell out of it. For what they are, they make good power with simple bolt ons. Gotta hand it to GM for that. With that said....
Jealous of another sheep's Chevy-into-a-Ford? Not hardly...I'd rather swap my nice AMC 360 into a Fox and call 'er good.
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Post by: STANG8U on January 15, 2013, 11:13:52 PM
I like the ls in my silverado 170000 on the clock and still has all its power I've even thought of a intake and cam swap when I rebuild it
But I'm not a fan of chebbie in a ford at all
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Post by: Tbird-fanatic on January 16, 2013, 12:22:40 AM
At shows and anything else I dont even bother to look at crossbreeds to overdone by people. Now old iron with a modern powerplant and Ill stop and look. Usually take a bit of work for everything to jive since usually theres not swap kits for the really new stuff. I always have siad since I got my TC the only way the 2.3 will leave is if its a turbo'd V8 or a Coyote!!
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Post by: TOM Renzo on January 16, 2013, 05:45:03 AM
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 16, 2013, 06:07:14 AM
I don't really care how great it is. I don't care if it runs on unicorn piss, or if it's exhaust is the cure for climate change, or even if it's strong enough to reverse the earth's rotation. It don't belong there, and it's presence is an affront to the soul of the vehicle. Pure automotive blasphemy.
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Post by: Clayton on January 16, 2013, 06:24:38 AM
I have the big3 in my driveway. Ford chevy and dodge. I hate seeing classics like 32 fords and 40s dodges with chevy motors. You spend 80k in a restomod, dont cheap out on the motor, but if you have a 350 laying around and a bird that needs a motor do it. Im usually a brand purist. Do what you have to and or want to. I dont condem you for slapping a sbc in it, i remember when sleeper built his black/white bird it went through 4 or 5 motors. Hell his mavvy has/had lsx in it. Do what you want, its your car. Me personally i would drop a 351 in a 68 camaro and badge it 350+1
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Post by: daminc on January 16, 2013, 08:10:44 AM
I'm pretty sure I'm going to drop an LS in the vert next year......
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Post by: FirstBird on January 16, 2013, 02:28:26 PM
Quote from: daminc;407156
I'm pretty sure I'm going to drop an LS in the vert next year......
<----Head Explodes
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 16, 2013, 02:38:18 PM
It would be better to just drop an LS ON it.
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Post by: 50tbrd88 on January 16, 2013, 02:51:39 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;407113
I still want to put a "385 series" 514ci BB Ford in a '69 Camaro. All the cool looks of a gen1 Camaro without that py orange engine under the hood ;).
I'll have to dig it up, but I have pics of a '57 Chev I saw at Power Tour back in '08. Car looked barn fresh and had a 460 Ford under the hood.
The GM guys would walk up like "oh look at this sweet ratty old '57" and then they would peek under the hood and be like:
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Post by: TOM Renzo on January 16, 2013, 03:29:14 PM
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Post by: TOM Renzo on January 16, 2013, 03:49:56 PM
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 16, 2013, 04:32:00 PM
I'm not shiznitting on Chevy. I don't like GM at all, but I'm not shiznitting on them. I'm shiznitting on swapping.
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Post by: TOM Renzo on January 16, 2013, 04:50:05 PM
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 16, 2013, 05:12:15 PM
A swap is a cross-manufacturer engine transplant. Ie: ford to chevy, chevy to ford, dodge to chevy, etc. Obviously you get it. Some grace is typically given for inter-manufacturer transplants such as olds to buick or chrysler to dodge.
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Post by: daminc on January 16, 2013, 08:17:31 PM
what do you mean drop an LS on it?
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 16, 2013, 08:22:45 PM
From about 20 feet. A far better fate for the car.
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Post by: STANG8U on January 16, 2013, 08:27:16 PM
That's funny lmfao
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Post by: daminc on January 16, 2013, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: TheFoeYouKnow;407216
From about 20 feet. A far better fate for the car.
it'll right at home with all the other GM parts on it.... :D
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Post by: TOM Renzo on January 16, 2013, 09:10:06 PM
Li
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Post by: slowbird on January 16, 2013, 09:11:16 PM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;407194
You Know ever since i saw this car i liked it. Other than the Color that is a nice car.
Thanks I regret selling it...
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Post by: TOM Renzo on January 16, 2013, 09:18:35 PM
Sol
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Post by: Beau on January 16, 2013, 11:47:34 PM
Godammit, I think I am going to stuff a 454 into my Sport. I also think I may put a 390 into my blue chevy 4x4.
Maybe I just don't give a rat's ass. Your car, your engine...do whatever. I can respect fast for cheap, regardless of the sticker on the box.
It's not my cup of tea, but someone did an LS swap into a nice, clean sleeperish notch or Tbird, and it went like stink on shiznit, I'd be impressed. An 80's Gen 1 sbc though...I'd rather take a leak on an electric fence than see another carbed up old sbc. In anything.
Kind've off topic, but a former co worker (thinks he's a mechanic...he ain't) has had several chevy vehicles, trucks, couple of camaros, etc. He took all the efi stuff off of every ed one, threw the edelbrock 4bbl intake and holley carb on 'em...then complained when slight bolt on Ford 5.0 cars ate him for lunch. The kicker was the Iroc Z camaro that had the 350 TPI engine..he ripped that all off because it "had a code and I don't know that "electric fuel" shiznit" (his words). I asked what he did with the tpi stuff...he said he threw it in a dumpster at work. A real shaging genius there, fellers.
I could probably outrun his 'Maro with a 3.8 'Bird with a popped headgasket. It runs like shiznit, won't spin the tires....last time I saw it, anyway.
But yeah, if I had the coin for the LS* engine, the wiring, and the required parts to run it, yeah, I'd do it....isn't that what hot rodding is all about? Apparently you never read about way back when..when the flathead Ford was the engine to have..before the original SBC was born...Let it go man...let it go.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on January 17, 2013, 12:08:22 AM
Quote from: 50tbrd88;407187
I'll have to dig it up, but I have pics of a '57 Chev I saw at Power Tour back in '08. Car looked barn fresh and had a 460 Ford under the hood.
The GM guys would walk up like "oh look at this sweet ratty old '57" and then they would peek under the hood and be like:
Also this is awesome: [video=youtube;5j66h9jt1PQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j66h9jt1PQ[/video]
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Post by: STANG8U on January 17, 2013, 12:43:34 AM
:ford::ford:
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Post by: Sinista Chicken on January 17, 2013, 01:25:16 AM
Nothing like a sbc into a ford to bring out the torches and pitchforks! This is the basis of hot rodding, being creative with what you have. I love Fords, but certainly don't hate other brands, I've owned and loved plenty of non fords, like my dd 93 Cadillac DeVille I am obsessed with (I own 4 91-93 DeVilles). That being said, my Chicken will never have anything other than Ford blue between the fenders.
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Post by: TOM Renzo on January 17, 2013, 05:53:46 AM
Actu
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Post by: 50tbrd88 on January 17, 2013, 10:21:38 AM
Quote from: thunderjet302;407244
This I have to see.
I'll try to dig the photo up. I actually parked right next to him one morning and expected a SBC when he raised the hood. It was awesome hearing the GM guys bitching as they walked away.
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Post by: Big B on January 17, 2013, 02:09:00 PM
Not a big fan of Cars myself, but to each their own. The world is full of all types of car guys, with all types of opinion's on what is acceptable and "Right" as far as mods go. In reality no one has ever been right here on this topic, this is all opinion, and if someone wants to ize their car, I honestly don't see why any "sane" person would care... I do understand that most car guys are fairly insane though, it's a sickness that creeps in over time, lol. I honestly can't leave anything alone and stock myself, but I do keep my Ford's all FORD, and my Dodge's all Chrysler.
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Post by: Beau on January 17, 2013, 02:17:26 PM
Put the LS1 engine in a Ford car. Paint the block blue. Move the coils off of the valve covers. Put a ford sticker on each valve cover. Take off anything that says GM. Watch and laugh as 75% of people who see it never realize it's not a Ford engine.
I'd do it. I'd put a 6.2 (new) Hemi in, as well. Even a Coyote.
For that matter, a guy came into the place I work last week, asked me if I wanted to buy the engine from his wrecked '12 Boss 302 Stang. Make him an offer, he said.
So yeah...if you've got the means, do whatever. I may not agree with it, but like I said before, if it's fast, looks good and doesn't look like 3 drunks put it together with 10 feet of baling wire and a roll of duct tape, then what's not to like.
After all, GM copied the good ole Windsor Ford's design with the LS engines....
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Post by: Chrome on January 17, 2013, 07:24:30 PM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;407273
After all, GM copied the good ole Windsor Ford's design with the LS engines....
Cue Tom in 3.....2.....1......
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Post by: vinnietbird on January 17, 2013, 08:55:42 PM
I think is anybody who owns a car wants to put whatever engine they choose into that car, it's the right thing to do. Chevy engine or not, better than another one of these cars crushed and gone forever.
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Post by: STANG8U on January 17, 2013, 09:30:36 PM
I guess as long as it don't have v tec lmfao
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Post by: TOM Renzo on January 17, 2013, 09:32:05 PM
So
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Post by: Chrome on January 17, 2013, 09:35:11 PM
Thunderbirdsport302 and Vinnie both have the right idea on this. I myself hate swaps, but if that is what you want to do, we should assist you in any way possible. As for your question, I have never seen it done. I would look to some Mustang sites for assistance with this. I don't think there has been any engine not put in one of those.
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Post by: Beau on January 17, 2013, 09:49:35 PM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;407310
Sorry the LS engines were a present from SAAB engineers which GM owned . Nothing of the LS motor is Ford
Just like the GM guys say the 302 is a chevy base engine. Hope this clears that up!!
FACT Also the ford boys are just mad because they needed a supercharged motor to beat the ls1.
Fair enough!!!
Then you tell me why Yates was brought inhouse to help with the design of the LS.... Tell me why they have several and obvious visual similarities with the SBF. Tell me why the bore centers are identical to the SBF.
Want me to go on?
Not bashing....but it is true.
And, before you crow about a supercharger this, turbo that....remember the LS has more cubes than a 5.0, let alone a 4.6 lol
And the Chevy 302 was built to satisfy Trans Am rules. Engine displacement to not exceed 5 liters.
Not sure exactly how the method was, but I think it involved a 327 block and a 283 crank. This was done, as I stated, for the race series.
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Chevrolet produced a special 302 cu in (4.9 L) (referred to as 5.0 L) engine for Sports Car Club of America (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_Car_Club_of_America") SCCA Trans-Am Series (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Am_Series") road-racing from 1967–1969. It was the product of placing the 283 3-inch stroke crankshaft into a 4-inch bore 327 block.
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Post by: Chrome on January 17, 2013, 09:51:00 PM
Thanks Tom......Right on cue! Lol
On a more serious note, I am not much of a GM fan. I do have to say GM done their homework with the LS1. One would have to be a fool to not see that. SAAB huh. Didn't see that coming. I know nothing about SAAB. Interesting info.
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Post by: TOM Renzo on January 17, 2013, 09:54:47 PM
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Post by: Chrome on January 17, 2013, 09:56:31 PM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;407314
Then you tell me why Yates was brought inhouse to help with the design of the LS.... Tell me why they have several and obvious visual similarities with the SBF. Tell me why the bore centers are identical to the SBF.
Want me to go on?
Not bashing....but it is true.
And, before you crow about a supercharger this, turbo that....remember the LS has more cubes than a 5.0, let alone a 4.6 lol
Be careful my friend. This thread is already a heated discussion.
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Post by: Chrome on January 17, 2013, 09:59:58 PM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;407316
the LS base engine is a completely new design and has nothing to do with FORD. If in fact the engine is a ford based engine
Talk about contradiction!
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Post by: TOM Renzo on January 17, 2013, 10:03:24 PM
Chrome my buddy Jim Wilson a design engineer for GM turned me on to this fact. The guy is a genius and well respected engineer. He retired several years ago. His dad and my dad were good friends and jim is my buddy. Either way the FORD V CHEVY arguments will go on for infamy. Either way the COYOTE is the flag ship of Ford and the new engine is an ass kicker. No GM dude will mess with 666 HP SHELBY from the BLUR OVAL. The new FORD engines are the shiznit!!
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Post by: Chrome on January 17, 2013, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;407320
Chrome my buddy Jim Wilson a design engineer for GM turned me on to this fact. The guy is a genius and well respected engineer. He retired several years ago. His dad and my dad were good friends and jim is my buddy. Either way the FORD V CHEVY arguments will go on for infamy. Either way the COYOTE is the flag ship of Ford and the new engine is an ass kicker. No GM dude will mess with 666 HP SHELBY from the BLUR OVAL. The new FORD engines are the shiznit!!
Just had to point out the fact that you contradicted yourself. However the design went, GM deserves a pat on the back for the LS1 as does Ford on the Coyote. As an added note, Coyote makes great power. As far as longevity...... Only time can tell.
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 17, 2013, 10:34:05 PM
I feel I need to point out that the Shelby engine is NOT Coyote based. The 5.8L DOHC SC engine is in fact based on an expanded 5.4L with a better blower and an evaporator core built into the intercooler. Many ancillary parts are also dramatically improved requisite to the increased output, but it's still just a blown Mod Motor. The Apex Predator of the engine family, sure, but NOT Coyote based. We had one out already with a scored cam journal. We tore the head apart and it looked like somebody assembled it with a grain of sand or other debris on the cam journal or maybe on the head (the cam supports don't have replaceable bearings, the cam rides directly on aluminum and oil). Ford sends us a COMPLETE unit. TB to drain plug, pre-filled with 5W50, even. New harness already installed, headers, it even had a flywheel and clutch on it. $28,000 or about half the cost of the car.
Perhaps it's just a coincidence, but all SVT engines are hand built and have a placard on the cam cover with the signature of the 2 builders. This engine was signed by 2 women.
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Post by: vinnietbird on January 17, 2013, 11:28:21 PM
Why does every engine thread have to turn into this stuff? 8 pages of and and #@&% waving contests because a guy asked about a SBC swap. When do you guys stop trying to prove each other wrong all the time? Or can you?
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Post by: STANG8U on January 17, 2013, 11:32:38 PM
Any die hard ford guy will argue this to the grave lmfao
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 17, 2013, 11:35:15 PM
To. the. grave.
I'm NOT a car guy. I'm a Ford guy. I will not apologize.
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Post by: Beau on January 18, 2013, 04:00:13 AM
What would we expect from a Ford site? A round of beer, a pat on the back, and say: "that's fresh! nobody has EVER dropped a three-fiddy in a car other than chivvie before!" lol
I reiterate: LS=thumbs up. Coyote=thumbs up. SBC=I'll beat yer ass with the cam from that sbc..lol
Hey Renzo....why ya think the LS has such good flow numbers on the heads? because Yates spoonfed GM the gory details. Facts are facts though, and he borrowed a page from the big book of Blue Oval...but who gives a rat's ass. Like I said, I know where there's a Boss 302 from a wrecked '12....but pretty sure it's outta my budget. Unless he wants 200 bucks or less. Sheeeeah, and Richard Gere never shoved a gerbil up his arse! ha.
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Post by: TOM Renzo on January 18, 2013, 06:43:14 AM
Ch
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Post by: TOM Renzo on January 18, 2013, 06:51:45 AM
Ok
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 18, 2013, 06:56:20 AM
I heard from engineering that Shelby will do just about 700 for short periods due to that supercooling gimmick.
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Post by: Big B on January 18, 2013, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: STANG8U;407338
Any die hard ford guy will argue this to the grave lmfao
and never win, except inside their own mind.... LOL!
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 18, 2013, 07:07:30 PM
Quote from: Big B;407399
and never win, except inside their own mind.... LOL!
What else do ANY of us have?
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Post by: Big B on January 18, 2013, 07:08:30 PM
Quote from: TheFoeYouKnow;407402
What else do ANY of us have?
Reality.
Tends to matter more to me, and other people that are in it.
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 18, 2013, 07:20:45 PM
I reject your reality and substitute my own. :raspberry
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Post by: Sinista Chicken on January 18, 2013, 10:01:45 PM
:fordbang:Tom I want to make sweet love to your Shelby! That thing is sweet
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Post by: STANG8U on January 18, 2013, 10:44:49 PM
Yes very clean
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Post by: TOM Renzo on January 19, 2013, 05:10:17 PM
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on January 27, 2013, 02:53:52 PM
this place has went to sh*t over the years
Title: gen 1 sbc swap?
Post by: 1WLD BRD on January 27, 2013, 03:27:46 PM
Quote from: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87;408157
this place has went to sh*t over the years
yes it has... big time. i said that exact same thing when I came back here a few weeks ago. I will probably disappear from here again soon. sifting through some of these threads I cant believe the info and ideas getting posted. such a shame
Title: gen 1 sbc swap?
Post by: 1WLD BRD on January 27, 2013, 03:35:21 PM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;407359
A NISSAN GTR FOUND OUT THE HARD WAY. Read between the lines. I blew that cars doors off. No match for POUNDER.
nice car but, I call bs on that, or garauntee you only beat that GTR because he wasnt trying. my buddy has a GTR. It ran high 11's stock. if you had posted a pic of a brand new Shelby it would be somewhat believable. what have you got done to that shelby, and what kind of hp to the wheels?
[video](http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd372/1WLDCAT/1988%20Thunderbird/IMG-20121223-00124.jpg)[/video] now it has over 1000awhp on pump gas and runs 9's on street tires.
Title: gen 1 sbc swap?
Post by: TOM Renzo on January 27, 2013, 03:57:33 PM
Ok
Title: gen 1 sbc swap?
Post by: TOM Renzo on January 27, 2013, 04:09:56 PM
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Post by: Clayton on January 27, 2013, 04:36:47 PM
Not to shiznit on anyones parade. Its not what you have here that impresses us. Its what you make of what you have. That lemons into lemonade bullsh*t. Who cares if you have the money to drop on a factory 5 second deathtrap? I'm having way to much fun building my probably 13sec street beater pile of sh*t. As for sleeper and rj I've seen the things theyve had and thyre so much cooler and roots built than any miracle grow thow a tune on and have a 9sec quarter mile car. Money makes the wold go round but it takes more than a hefty price tag to turn this guys head. Some of the guys that no longer come on to the board here I idolized back in the early 2000's for what they did to the tbirds and cougars they had seeing this is primarily a fox tbird cougar forum hence the name. But since oh late 2008-2009 its been a complete zombie apocalypse of morons coming on here saying the things they do aren't right. F that. I have a hankering for throwing a 350 in my mustang just to get it to move.
Sit back; chill, take feedback, give feedback,offer advice, take advice orrrr the go the ultimate route stfu and let people do what they gotta do
Title: gen 1 sbc swap?
Post by: TOM Renzo on January 27, 2013, 05:08:47 PM
Got it TOOTLES!!!
Title: gen 1 sbc swap?
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on January 27, 2013, 07:35:08 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;408161
yes it has... big time. i said that exact same thing when I came back here a few weeks ago. I will probably disappear from here again soon. sifting through some of these threads I cant believe the info and ideas getting posted. such a shame
same here maybe it was a mistake? how have you been
Title: gen 1 sbc swap?
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on January 27, 2013, 07:36:06 PM
Quote from: 87thunderbirdBlackJack;408173
Not to shiznit on anyones parade. Its not what you have here that impresses us. Its what you make of what you have. That lemons into lemonade bullsh*t. Who cares if you have the money to drop on a factory 5 second deathtrap? I'm having way to much fun building my probably 13sec street beater pile of sh*t. As for sleeper and rj I've seen the things theyve had and thyre so much cooler and roots built than any miracle grow thow a tune on and have a 9sec quarter mile car. Money makes the wold go round but it takes more than a hefty price tag to turn this guys head. Some of the guys that no longer come on to the board here I idolized back in the early 2000's for what they did to the tbirds and cougars they had seeing this is primarily a fox tbird cougar forum hence the name. But since oh late 2008-2009 its been a complete zombie apocalypse of morons coming on here saying the things they do aren't right. F that. I have a hankering for throwing a 350 in my mustang just to get it to move.
Sit back; chill, take feedback, give feedback,offer advice, take advice orrrr the go the ultimate route stfu and let people do what they gotta do
nice to see your still here
Title: gen 1 sbc swap?
Post by: MY83T on January 27, 2013, 09:56:47 PM
I just read this entire thread.
1. This is all a matter of opinion 2. Its all a matter of preference. 3. Its all the original posters hard earned cash 4. He was seeking advice and thoughts on his build, and he posted 100% in the correct place in the forum. Drop a 351 or OTHER MOTOR IN YOUR FOX (thats the title of this section) No where does it state FORD motor. 5. Civility is totally gone here, and personal attacks have absolutely no place. 6. Ranting over who is right or wrong is a moot point, as the OP was merely asking for advice in a forum devoted to our beloved Fox Birds/Cougars. He has been a member for 4 months, is this how we encourage new members to stay and feel welcomed? 7. I personally know that a engine makes a car go, i am not a technical guy, or a guru. I come here to learn and ask advice and opinions from like minded people, many who have become my friends. Ford is to Chevy as Oranges are to Bananas. How do you firstly quantify that one is better? Secondly, as said earlier much is due to personal preference and comfort with a given product. 8. Finally, if one can't contribute to the dialogue here in some kind of constructive manner, then start a thread in "the Lounge" about how Ford is great and everything else sucks. But don't denigrate someone else's idea's, build or ride based upon some childish bias, especially when the OP did everything right with regard to the topic, placement and tone of his post. I think he is owed a huge apology, those who stepped on his thread, and Hijacked into a Ford/Chevy debate should own up.
Title: gen 1 sbc swap?
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on January 27, 2013, 10:01:16 PM
Quote from: MY83T;408200
I just read this entire thread.
1. This is all a matter of opinion 2. Its all a matter of preference. 3. Its all the original posters hard earned cash 4. He was seeking advice and thoughts on his build, and he posted 100% in the correct place in the forum. Drop a 351 or OTHER MOTOR IN YOUR FOX (thats the title of this section) No where does it state FORD motor. 5. Civility is totally gone here, and personal attacks have absolutely no place. 6. Ranting over who is right or wrong is a moot point, as the OP was merely asking for advice in a forum devoted to our beloved Fox Birds/Cougars. He has been a member for 4 months, is this how we encourage new members to stay and feel welcomed? 7. I personally know that a engine makes a car go, i am not a technical guy, or a guru. I come here to learn and ask advice and opinions from like minded people, many who have become my friends. Ford is to Chevy as Oranges are to Bananas. How do you firstly quantify that one is better? Secondly, as said earlier much is due to personal preference and comfort with a given product. 8. Finally, if one can't contribute to the dialogue here in some kind of constructive manner, then start a thread in "the Lounge" about how Ford is great and everything else sucks. But don't denigrate someone else's idea's, build or ride based upon some childish bias, especially when the OP did everything right with regard to the topic, placement and tone of his post. I think he is owed a huge apology, those who stepped on his thread, and Hijacked into a Ford/Chevy debate should own up.
well said sir
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Post by: daminc on January 27, 2013, 10:15:48 PM
yep, Dave is right...... and 10 pages of shiznit because someone asked a question they didn't like...just another reason why I'm not here much anymore
Title: gen 1 sbc swap?
Post by: 1WLD BRD on January 27, 2013, 11:51:40 PM
Quote from: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87;408185
same here maybe it was a mistake? how have you been
im doing pretty good buddy. hope you are too. was thinking about you this summer, as I was REALLY looking into an LS/GT45 turbo swap for the Tbird. and still havent totally got it out of my head yet. once the 5.0L SC'ed engine pukes, then I will do the swap.
Title: gen 1 sbc swap?
Post by: jcassity on January 28, 2013, 12:11:12 AM
Quote from: MY83T;408200
I just read this entire thread.
1. This is all a matter of opinion 2. Its all a matter of preference. 3. Its all the original posters hard earned cash 4. He was seeking advice and thoughts on his build, and he posted 100% in the correct place in the forum. Drop a 351 or OTHER MOTOR IN YOUR FOX (thats the title of this section) No where does it state FORD motor. 5. Civility is totally gone here, and personal attacks have absolutely no place. 6. Ranting over who is right or wrong is a moot point, as the OP was merely asking for advice in a forum devoted to our beloved Fox Birds/Cougars. He has been a member for 4 months, is this how we encourage new members to stay and feel welcomed? 7. I personally know that a engine makes a car go, i am not a technical guy, or a guru. I come here to learn and ask advice and opinions from like minded people, many who have become my friends. Ford is to Chevy as Oranges are to Bananas. How do you firstly quantify that one is better? Secondly, as said earlier much is due to personal preference and comfort with a given product. 8. Finally, if one can't contribute to the dialogue here in some kind of constructive manner, then start a thread in "the Lounge" about how Ford is great and everything else sucks. But don't denigrate someone else's idea's, build or ride based upon some childish bias, especially when the OP did everything right with regard to the topic, placement and tone of his post. I think he is owed a huge apology, those who stepped on his thread, and Hijacked into a Ford/Chevy debate should own up.
i had to start a whole new thread just so i could get back on the topic,, batting around a ball of yarn gets old.
Title: gen 1 sbc swap?
Post by: Beau on January 28, 2013, 12:14:55 AM
Yeh, this went apeshiznit.
My only point was, if I were to swap in a Chevy engine, it would be an LS, for the effort and cost to swap in a decent, and comparable Gen 1, you wouldn't even have any more power than a mildly modded 5.0HO. Add to that the cost and hassle of rebuilding the OP's 355 with spun bearings, and it will be that much more costly. But, if he wanted to go that route, more power to him.
I'd have to say it all really boils down to OP's vehicular budget, an LS and the ancillary parts to run it aren't none too cheap. If I had all the money in the world to play with, I'd probably have two, one with an LSX, one with a Coyote. On a budget, if I had a nice clean, decently modded SBC, so that all I had to buy were mounts, and some engine controls, then so be it. If I had to start with a block needing work, I'd just switch to an HO from a '87-'93 Stang, and convert the wiring.
It's all depending on my money, but it's not me, it's the OP. His money, his car.
I will say this though, the caliber of some people here, the personal attacks, the bullshiznit they bring....it sours this place. Can see that some of you new folks are arrogant Mustang fanboys....news for ya, this ain't the new Corral. Go to the bullet if you want to be an e-thug. It's pretty pathetic that some of the old timers from here don't really come by anymore because of assholes who threadw and insult every time they see something nicer/different/newer/faster/Ford/Chevy/MitsuToyoNissaHonda/whatever.
Look, live, learn, grow up, or GTFO. Post #2, and #3 exemplify what I speak of...
On that note, to the OP, if I were closer, I'd help you build the thing with a SBC, BBC, or even a 318 Dodge, just to piss those fools off!
Title: gen 1 sbc swap?
Post by: Chrome on January 28, 2013, 12:16:16 AM
Quote from: MY83T;408200
I just read this entire thread.
1. This is all a matter of opinion 2. Its all a matter of preference. 3. Its all the original posters hard earned cash 4. He was seeking advice and thoughts on his build, and he posted 100% in the correct place in the forum. Drop a 351 or OTHER MOTOR IN YOUR FOX (thats the title of this section) No where does it state FORD motor. 5. Civility is totally gone here, and personal attacks have absolutely no place. 6. Ranting over who is right or wrong is a moot point, as the OP was merely asking for advice in a forum devoted to our beloved Fox Birds/Cougars. He has been a member for 4 months, is this how we encourage new members to stay and feel welcomed? 7. I personally know that a engine makes a car go, i am not a technical guy, or a guru. I come here to learn and ask advice and opinions from like minded people, many who have become my friends. Ford is to Chevy as Oranges are to Bananas. How do you firstly quantify that one is better? Secondly, as said earlier much is due to personal preference and comfort with a given product. 8. Finally, if one can't contribute to the dialogue here in some kind of constructive manner, then start a thread in "the Lounge" about how Ford is great and everything else sucks. But don't denigrate someone else's idea's, build or ride based upon some childish bias, especially when the OP did everything right with regard to the topic, placement and tone of his post. I think he is owed a huge apology, those who stepped on his thread, and Hijacked into a Ford/Chevy debate should own up.
This is all 100% correct. I have not involved myself into the Ford/Chevy debate. It's the OP's decision as to what he wants to do. I did however engage in polite conversation with Tom (does not happen often). It was not a bad thing to do, but the wrong place for it. It had nothing to do with the OP's thread. For that I do apologize.
Title: gen 1 sbc swap?
Post by: TOM Renzo on January 28, 2013, 05:43:57 AM
nice car but, I call bs on that, or garauntee you only beat that GTR because he wasnt trying. my buddy has a GTR. It ran high 11's stock. if you had posted a pic of a brand new Shelby it would be somewhat believable. what have you got done to that shelby, and what kind of hp to the wheels?
The place has gone to . Well i dont know i posted the fact that i blew the doors off a GTR NOT ONCE BUT 2 times to be exact and you slammed me. You know nothing about POUNDER but you slammed me any way. By the way an 11 second car beat POUNDER OK!!! Personally i dont know you but at least you could have asked what the car has under the hood and how it is built. But you chose to pound me. I personally dont care. But maybe you should listen before adding to the you seem to feel is on this site. I like the site and enjoy the conversation. And i agreed with the original post but just added something different. I have transplanted many an engine in fords and other cars. This was a talking point and i thought it . was cool. Some got carried away. And it seems funny you think this site is but you clearly visit it. Anyway enjoy your friends HIGH ELEVEN GTR.