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Technical => Suspension/Steering => Topic started by: bryan163 on February 09, 2012, 12:50:24 AM

Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: bryan163 on February 09, 2012, 12:50:24 AM
I have the car in the garage right now getting the 11" brake conversion described on coolcats.net. As of right now one side is completed.

Pulling the old stuff out.
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doing away with the stock spindles and AJE control arms in favor of some 03 Mustang arms and 93 spindles
(http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu352/bryan163photobucket/2012-02-07_08-15-36_764.jpg)
old and new arms, old and new brake hoses
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93 mustang spindle
(http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu352/bryan163photobucket/2012-02-07_08-15-59_987.jpg)
stang vs. stock pads
(http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu352/bryan163photobucket/2012-02-06_21-08-42_687.jpg)
stang brake hose with adapter to work on t-bird hard line
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Stang vs. stock. aside from being an inch larger diameter, the Stang rotors are also a lot thicker
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one side down
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Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: Sinista Chicken on February 09, 2012, 01:51:45 AM
Is everything direct bolt on, or did you have to modify anything?  I can't believe how 'small' those mustang a-arms look!
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: Beau on February 09, 2012, 02:12:38 AM
It's a direct bolt on. Same thing as an '87-'88 TC, less the ABS particulars.

I did the swap on my Sport back in '09, a lot better feel than the stock 10" rotors. I now have SN95 brakes ('96, to be exact) but some '99 up dual piston PBR calipers are in the pipline.
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: Sinista Chicken on February 09, 2012, 02:39:22 AM
This may be a dumb ?, but the rotors are off of what?  this looks like a cheap, easy upgrade for my py stock brakes.  Where do you find that fitting adapter? I like the coil-overs, what brand are those?
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: Dan B. on February 09, 2012, 07:04:06 AM
I did the same thing with stock TC pieces on my Sport Coupe.  I was fortunate enough to have the entire strut to caliper assembly along with the CA that bolted right in.  I do like the Mustang CA you have there though.....just looks "cooler!"
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: bryan163 on February 09, 2012, 09:29:34 AM
Its pretty much a direct bolt on. The mustang spindles were a little narrower where the strut bolts up and the spacing on the holes was a little off. Both problems were easy to solve. Also had to enlarge the hole in the flex hose bracket on the frame a little to get the mustang hose to fit. The rotors I used were from a 93 Mustang GT and I got the brake line adapters from Napa.
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: bryan163 on February 13, 2012, 11:38:56 PM
I finished the other side 3 days ago, but I'm finally just getting around to post the results tonight. Everything is working fantastic. The Stopping power is awesome now, with no fade whatsoever under hard braking from high speed:D

I ended up getting some new ES swaybar links too.
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My ST swaybar and some new tie rod ends
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Other side done
(http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu352/bryan163photobucket/2012-02-11_13-10-37_43.jpg)
Locking the wheel straight while I do the alignment
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Pulling a straight-line off the rear wheels to align the fronts
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Definitely fills out the 17s a little better now
(http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu352/bryan163photobucket/2012-02-12_12-08-06_634.jpg)
quick testdrive
[video=youtube;HnOn9i6IY3A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnOn9i6IY3A&feature=youtu.be[/video]
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: Beau on February 14, 2012, 12:16:57 AM
I too had alignment issues after going from stock to 11" brakes, and then again from those to SN95 stuff. The first time I dealt with it, as it wasn't too terribly bad, but when I swapped in the Stang 5 lug parts, it was so bad I couldn't drive in a straight line just idling out of my building. I finally got it where it barely pulls at all using a method pretty similar to what you posted.

Looks good, and how do you like the SC wheel in there? I wasn't aware they'd fit...I may keep my eye out for one now..hmm.
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: bryan163 on February 14, 2012, 05:09:56 AM
I learned the alignment thing from a friend who's on the pit crew for a low budget, modified race team. The SC wheel works great. Even the cruise control buttons worked with no modification and best of all, it doesn't have a wrap to fall apart and make a mess. Its all one piece. How do you like your SN95 springs?
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: vinnietbird on February 14, 2012, 07:09:03 AM
I gotta swap to those bigger brakes as well. What master cylinder did you use, and did you swap the proportioning valve?
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: bryan163 on February 14, 2012, 07:22:32 AM
I have the stock aluminum master and stock proportioning valve. Pedal feel is perfect. Probably gonna keep it as is.
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: Dan B. on February 14, 2012, 09:10:52 AM
What rear brakes are you running?
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: bryan163 on February 14, 2012, 02:49:06 PM
I have the stock 10" drums. Just did new shoes, drums, adjusters, hardware, and wheel cylinders on those.
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: Dan B. on February 14, 2012, 08:30:20 PM
Ok....I wondered how you were running the stock MC and PV.  I tried that when swapped to rear discs and couldn't get rear brakes.
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: beast50 on February 14, 2012, 10:41:16 PM
Thanks for the pictures, this is helping me get that extra push I need to get started on my 11" upgrade!  Also, love the Supercoupe wheel and the shadetree alignment.
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: bryan163 on February 15, 2012, 07:56:52 AM
The supercoupe wheel is a direct bolt-on. I ordered it off ebay, not knowing if it would work and lucked out. My stock wheel was falling apart at the time and i didnt want it to happen again, so i figured I'd look for something better. When i came across the SC wheel i had just supercharged my car and i thought it seemed fitting.
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: cougarman on February 15, 2012, 08:01:05 AM
So just wondering, what was wrong with the tubular A arms?
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: bryan163 on February 15, 2012, 09:51:45 AM
They dont have spring buckets and i plan on switching to SN95 springs. Also they are a little shorter than the tbird ones.
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: cougarman on February 15, 2012, 10:01:07 AM
Ah I see, thanks. :)
Title: 11" brake install with pictures
Post by: sarjxxx on February 24, 2012, 10:40:43 PM
Wow those look slick all new and shiny:cool: That mn12 steering wheel is awesome, I had no idea they would swap over! That means I will be going back out to the JY very soon to pull the sweet leather wheel I had on my 96 when I sped it!!