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Title: Champion Fiberglass, and the hoods they make...*Big update. Pictures 3/6/11*
Post by: jrad235 on July 07, 2010, 10:10:51 PM
Are pretty decent. I ordered mine last week, the 3" cowl hood, and it just arrived today.  :D

I baked it at 140* for 1 Hour as per instructions, and hopefully tomorrow I can get it test-fitted.

I asked the owner how it would come out, and he said it wasn't their best mold, but it would definitely work.  I would say he's right just by looking at it. The site says a partially finished liner, and it definitely looks acceptable to me.

As an aside, he mentioned that they used to be quite popular, but now he only gets 1-2 orders every three months...

Will update with fitment and prep as it happens.
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Post by: vinnietbird on July 07, 2010, 10:49:57 PM
Nice looking hood. Keep us posted with it when paint is applied.
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 08, 2010, 10:25:10 AM
how the hell did you bake it, and how is an everyday person supose to be able to do that?
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Post by: vinnietbird on July 08, 2010, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;327681
how the hell did you bake it, and how is an everyday person supose to be able to do that?


Good question.I'd guess with a heat lamp or something.Shouldn't the maker of the hood handle that before they sell them,though?
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Post by: EricCoolCats on July 08, 2010, 12:19:09 PM
Paint booth ovens at a paint shop...
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Post by: Kitz Kat on July 08, 2010, 04:31:04 PM
Why does it need to be baked? I don't understand.
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Post by: daminc on July 08, 2010, 05:11:28 PM
It was so hot today... I could have just left it on the driveway...lol
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Post by: daminc on July 08, 2010, 05:12:01 PM
Quote from: kitz kat;327701
why does it need to be baked? I don't understand.


x2
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Post by: EricCoolCats on July 08, 2010, 06:34:29 PM
http://www.championhoods.com/hoodprep.html
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Post by: jrad235 on July 08, 2010, 08:06:18 PM
Nicely done Eric! Yes, I could have just left it outside, but I happen to have access to an oven that big, so I figured what the hell. And today, 95* feels like it's baking outside.
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 08, 2010, 09:46:10 PM
Very cool.  I wonder if and what the shipping is to Canada?  May have to call them and see.
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Post by: 86caprirs on July 08, 2010, 10:21:34 PM
Too much. Have to include border fees too.
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Post by: sarjxxx on July 08, 2010, 10:38:24 PM
SWEET!!! I have been highly considering one of those myself, and now I know I want it. Lets see how it looks when you get it on!:grinno:
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Post by: Scott D on July 08, 2010, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;327709
http://www.championhoods.com/hoodprep.html


They spelled it "Couger" :(
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 09, 2010, 08:17:57 AM
Quote from: Scott D;327762
They spelled it "Couger" :(


Who cares, they are making decent hoods for us....  LOL:hick:
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Post by: supercharged88 on July 09, 2010, 07:27:26 PM
Eric are your autometer gauges mech. or electronic
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Post by: jrad235 on July 09, 2010, 10:22:09 PM
Quote from: supercharged88;327841
Eric are your autometer gauges mech. or electronic

...Nice Hijack....


Anyways, I test fit the hood today, and the hinge holes almost line up, I think I'll just hog out the bottom hole a little bit, and the hood is maybe a 1/4" narrower overall than the original, at least in the "back" by the windshield, so I'm considering just adding a little filler along the edge to shrink the gap. 

I have to come up with a different air cleaner, as I'm about 1.5-2" away from being able to fully close the hood. Really don't want to have to mill down the intake, and I think dropping the engine is too much work, but perhaps. Anyone know anything about drop mounts for a V6?  Probably don't want solid, but maybe.

- Currently running a 1.75" drop housed 3" H x 14" Dia. K&N.
 I could take out the 1" spacer between the carb and the filter housing, but the throttle arm/cable would interfere with the housing I believe. Also doesn't look like I can get anything more than a 2" drop.

 NOTE! Most of you will NOT have this problem, I just have a super tall custom intake manifold...

Otherwise hood looked real nice.
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Post by: supercharged88 on July 10, 2010, 05:05:27 PM
Yeh sorry lol
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Post by: jandmmustangs on July 10, 2010, 09:40:34 PM
I would highly recommend hood pins with that hood.  A friend of mine has one on his 88 Cougar.  The hood latch/catch mechanism started to get weak and crack after about 6 months.
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Post by: DeltaElite121 on July 10, 2010, 11:22:51 PM
I can't really speak on my behalf, but I've seen quite a few people complain about Champion's fitment, moldings, and overall quality. I almost ordered one from them, but when it comes to our cars - we don't really have a whole ton of options. Can't complain if it fits well, though. Nice.
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Post by: jrad235 on July 11, 2010, 01:45:15 PM
Quote from: jandmmustangs;327916
I would highly recommend hood pins with that hood.  A friend of mine has one on his 88 Cougar.  The hood latch/catch mechanism started to get weak and crack after about 6 months.


Yep already planned on it, just need to pick a set to order, I was thinking locking ones. Thanks for the heads up though.
Title: Do you have a phone # or web site?
Post by: fastlad on July 12, 2010, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: jandmmustangs;327916
I would highly recommend hood pins with that hood.  A friend of mine has one on his 88 Cougar.  The hood latch/catch mechanism started to get weak and crack after about 6 months.


Do you have a phone # or web site? for Champion
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Post by: V8Demon on July 12, 2010, 06:46:48 PM
Quote from: jandmmustangs;327916
I would highly recommend hood pins with that hood.  A friend of mine has one on his 88 Cougar.  The hood latch/catch mechanism started to get weak and crack after about 6 months.


That's because at highway speeds it most likely flexes.  In fact, I'll bet it flexed enough that it could be seen by the driver while in the car.
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Post by: jandmmustangs on July 13, 2010, 05:28:13 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;328089
That's because at highway speeds it most likely flexes.  In fact, I'll bet it flexed enough that it could be seen by the driver while in the car.


This, plus the hood seemed a little thin and light.  But really, what other choice is there.  Now if ya wanna talk difficult glass hood to find, try one with a T-Bolt teardrop for a 80 Fairmont.

Here's a link to the site for the guy that asked. 

http://www.championhoods.com/

1-888-416-6276
1-513-531-6640
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Post by: jrad235 on July 17, 2010, 02:16:43 AM
Small update: I think I've decided against locking pins alone, heard a couple horror stories of the pins shearing at speed, and if you look at them, you can see how.  I did get it test fitted, and I picked up an Edelbrock Pro Flo 1002 air cleaner assembly (A little more low profile) and the hood ALMOST(Not even a quarter inch left!) closed, but I need to trim a bit off the base of the cleaner to get it to fit without hitting, and it looks like the hinges may rub a bit, so I'll need to adjust/modify those to clear and get the hood flat with the fenders since a fiberglass hood is thicker than steel.

  So, definitely not "Bolt on and go" but not terrible. And from what I hear, that's about the norm for hoods to fit our cars, no matter the manufacturer. Sorry, I was too busy figuring out ways to make it fit to snap pictures while fitting it, as I have to put the old hood back on each time.(No garage) 

I was thinking about drop motor mounts at this point, if anyone has any ideas, that would be great.

P.S. I did PM Mr. Kentucky(Fastlad) with the contact info....
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Post by: t3skidoo on July 17, 2010, 04:16:00 AM
fyi - Champion told me their parts were not suitable for street use.
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Post by: jrad235 on July 17, 2010, 01:34:38 PM
Quote from: t3skidoo;328530
fyi - Champion told me their parts were not suitable for street use.


I'm not exactly sure why you mentioned this, 40 or 140MPH, it will still hold together, and it all depends on how much prep work you want to do as far as looks go. If you look real close, all the manufacturers say that since none of these hoods have been crash tested. It's a Federal law workaround.
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Post by: t3skidoo on July 17, 2010, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: jrad235;328579
I'm not exactly sure why you mentioned this...


I remembered when you mentioned hood pins.  Not trying to be a party pooper, just telling you what they told me.  Forewarned is fore-armed.
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Post by: jrad235 on July 18, 2010, 03:59:32 PM
Quote from: t3skidoo;328587
I remembered when you mentioned hood pins.  Not trying to be a party pooper, just telling you what they told me.  Forewarned is fore-armed.


Oooh! Gotcha. I am going to use hood pins, but mostly the standard kind, not locking by themselves. the locking ones are not nearly as strong as the standard ones.
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Post by: Aerocoupe on July 18, 2010, 09:15:22 PM
These guys have one that is a bit more finished:

http://www.carhoods.com/

Scroll down on the left and select "83 - 93 Thunderbird" and you will find the 3" cowl hood.  A larger picture is here:

http://www.usbody.com/__Photo-Product-Views/A-Hood-Specs/T-Hoods/ttbh-83.htm

Darren
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Post by: jrad235 on July 19, 2010, 12:48:21 AM
Quote from: Aerocoupe;328753
These guys have one that is a bit more finished:

http://www.carhoods.com/

Scroll down on the left and select "83 - 93 Thunderbird" and you will find the 3" cowl hood.  A larger picture is here:

http://www.usbody.com/__Photo-Product-Views/A-Hood-Specs/T-Hoods/ttbh-83.htm

Darren


I spoke with another member of the forum about his hood from USbody/Carhoods, turns out it was a lot of work as well, for a much higher price.

They sure do post up a pretty picture though!
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Post by: jandmmustangs on July 19, 2010, 08:30:27 AM
Here's a pic of my buddy's car with the hood on.  Since this he's done a ton of prep work and a lot of fitting to it.

(http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx95/jandmmustangs/83%20gt/rentalstang007.jpg)
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Post by: Aerocoupe on July 19, 2010, 08:48:34 AM
I believe I purchased my hood from American Sports Car Design but it has been over 10 years ago.  I checked their website and they are no longer showing it which is a shame as the body shop commented on the fit and finish of the hood.  I just emailed them to see if they did have that hood at one time and if they still make it but just don't have it listed.

Darren
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Post by: Aerocoupe on July 19, 2010, 09:39:03 AM
Rick emailed me back and said they sped the mold some time ago due to slow sales.  He did recommend US Body Source which I listed above but it sounds like they are about as good as Champion as far a the fitment goes.  I do like how the hood is finished (or at least appears to be finished) on the underside of the US Body hood better than the Champion hood but that can be addressed by the body shop.  My American Sports Car Design hood was finished top and bottom which made the cost to paint it much less as I would have had the shop work over the underside had it not already been done.

Darren
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Post by: jrad235 on July 19, 2010, 07:41:03 PM
Are you hiding pictures of your car anywhere on this site Darren?

Just fit the hood AGAIN, no dice, the  intake is too tall!! I either have to eliminate the EGR spacer, which will work for 2 years, then i have to come up with something, or go to solid motor mounts, which will suck. Probably end up doing both to get the back of the hood down far enough to sit flush...

I already trimmed 1/4" off the air cleaner.
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Post by: Aerocoupe on July 20, 2010, 09:02:08 PM
I have a few here and there but it is in the shop and in the lift so I cannot really get a good picture of it.  The hood is off and in another room in the shop so it would not get a good shot of that anyhow.  I am waiting very patiently for my opening to get the headers and X-Pipe built as the 3" cat back is already built and HPC coated.  I lost interest in the car for over five years and have just got back into it in the last year but its a slow road back.  The car was set up to drag race and be a street car and now I am moving it over to more of a street car with the corners in mind.  This is the best shot I have of it right now:

(http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy142/dbrune_83/IMG_0074.jpg)

Darren
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Post by: EricCoolCats on July 20, 2010, 09:32:19 PM
Just FYI, the US Body hood is not a true cowl hood...there is no rear inlet/hole for fresh air. It's completely sealed off. I suppose it could be modified to make it that way; as it is, it's pretty much for show and no actual performance benefit.

A few of us here have the US Body hood and like it. Fit/finish is pretty good. Typical pinholes in the fiberglass in various places; not to be unexpected. There is metal reinforcement where the hinges bolt on, and where the latch bolts up (for the Dominator hood; the lift-off hood is pin-on only). The completely finished underside is a big bonus. One thing about this hood that seems to separate it from other designs is that it doesn't have a pr0nounced crease down the middle of the hood...it's very subtle, and the rise in the cowl is precisely gradual.

I have recommended the U.S. Body hood for many years, at least since I bought mine in 2001. It's listed as a 4" rise but I've also seen it as a 3.5" rise. Either way, it easily clears a 302 with Cobra intake and 1" phenolic spacer, using stock motor mounts.
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Post by: sarjxxx on July 20, 2010, 10:24:40 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;328991
Just FYI, the US Body hood is not a true cowl hood...there is no rear inlet/hole for fresh air. It's completely sealed off. I suppose it could be modified to make it that way; as it is, it's pretty much for show and no actual performance benefit.

I noticed that myself. Thats why I am staying away from that one. This one definitely suits my fancy a little better.

But jrad, you're definitely starting to (unintentionally) talk me out of the split port swap... The lack of clearance with the modified intake... the lack of stock SC compatibility...:toilet:


Hey, btw, have you considered this as an intake option?
I know its not conventional, but it works and looks pretty cool.
And they're definitely shorter:D
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Low-Profile-Dual-Inlet-Carb-Hat-Air-Intake-Plenum-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c13cd7517QQitemZ120591316247QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Spectre-Air-Intake-Plenum-98999-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5ada96fb22QQitemZ390214384418QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Spectre-98499-Single-4-Outlet-Air-Plenum-JEGS-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5d29b69863QQitemZ400131790947
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SPE-9824
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Post by: jrad235 on July 20, 2010, 11:09:26 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Low-Profile-Dual-Inlet-Carb-Hat-Air-Intake-Plenum-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c13cd7517QQitemZ120591316247QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

That is actually pretty similar to this:  http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HLY-64280/

Which is what I saw at the parts store, but is WAY to expensive($400 locally)... But the one you found isn't terrible, I would just have to fab up some CAI pipes into the fenders.

Oh come on Sarjxxx, when was anything easy ever very fun? But I don't believe I ever said this was an easy project... The supercharger could be done with a blow through carb and a centrifugal SC but I am not at that level yet, and I like the look of a roots style better. Supercharging on carb isn't easy period unless it's track only.

  I think I'm going to look into some super slim solid motor mounts to see if I can get the clearance. Maybe it'll drop it plenty low enough for this hood. Without the EGR spacer, the top of the carb would probably be below the fenders anyway(But only just)

Anyway, just be glad someone else is walking in front of you at this point, so you can see whats coming.
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Post by: sarjxxx on July 21, 2010, 05:32:52 PM
Quote from: jrad235;329010
  I think I'm going to look into some super slim solid motor mounts to  see if I can get the clearance. Maybe it'll drop it plenty low enough  for this hood. Without the EGR spacer, the top of the carb would  probably be below the fenders anyway(But only just)
EGR spacer? dude, are you seriously that worried about mpgs? or is there  more to this
Quote from: jrad235;329010
Anyway, just be glad someone else is walking in front of you at this  point, so you can see whats coming.
SMACK!:brick:
 
  (sry i had to):rollin:
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Post by: jrad235 on July 21, 2010, 06:36:29 PM
Quote from: sarjxxx;329060
EGR spacer? dude, are you seriously that worried about mpgs? or is there  more to this


  I don't know about you Floridians, but in the Portland Metro area we still have to pass emissions.
last time I asked, they told me my car had to pass emissions set for the largest engine ever installed from the factory in that vehicle, I.E. A CFI/TBI 302.

EGR spacer in this case means a spacer under the carb with a pipe to allow exhaust gas to flow in.
Quote

 SMACK!:brick:
 
  (sry i had to):rollin:


Not sure I get that one....
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Post by: sarjxxx on July 21, 2010, 08:42:29 PM
oh...yeah..right...the best thing about living in the rainshine state! No cats for me!!!
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Post by: jrad235 on July 21, 2010, 10:07:19 PM
Quote from: sarjxxx;329094
oh...yeah..right...


:brick: 
Turnabout's fair play!!
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Post by: jrad235 on August 01, 2010, 01:00:47 PM
So, I figured a couple of you would like an update on this....

  Still waiting to get time in the shop to make drop mounts for the engine, hopefully here in the next couple weeks though. Included are pictures of my current air cleaner height, and one while test fitting the hood with the "new" air cleaner. The rear(Towards the windshield) bolt holes don't match the hinge, but I'll either slot the hinge hole or delete them and use pins so I can get the back of the hood even with the fenders.

Also, the picture of the air cleaner is level across the fenders, and Sarjxxx, you'll probably just need a set of ChuckW's mounts if you go this route.
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Post by: sarjxxx on August 01, 2010, 11:55:49 PM
Idk, I think I'm definitely going to use one of the type I showed you. Plus, I won't be having the EGR spacer either, so that should save me some room too. I think between those two differences, that might be just barely enough to clear the stock hood. And if not, I have planned on putting a 3" cowl hood on anyway, and that should give plenty of room.

I've seen that small air cleaner before too. I've always kinda wondered about their efficiency on a big motors, but on our 232's, it looks like they would provide plenty of air flow. Are you going to stick with it?

Oh, and what is the advantage to Chuck's mounts?
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Post by: jrad235 on August 02, 2010, 01:21:13 AM
Quote from: sarjxxx;330342
Idk, I think I'm definitely going to use one of the type I showed you. Plus, I won't be having the EGR spacer either, so that should save me some room too. I think between those two differences, that might be just barely enough to clear the stock hood. And if not, I have planned on putting a 3" cowl hood on anyway, and that should give plenty of room.


Actually, I just got back from a think tank session with a friend, and we have decided to nix the EGR spacer and reroute directly into the upper intake, saving about 3/4" of room. After getting under the car and looking at the mounts, there is no more room without hacking the Kmember and moving the steering rack.
Quote

I've seen that small air cleaner before too. I've always kinda wondered about their efficiency on a big motors, but on our 232's, it looks like they would provide plenty of air flow. Are you going to stick with it?

Oh, and what is the advantage to Chuck's mounts?


As far as the cleaner goes, I'll be using it while I get the hood fitted and the car painted, then at some point in the future I may switch to the twin inlet low profile one. I'm just not sure if the air cleaner(s) will fit once I reinstall the AC compressor.

The small one will probably create more turbulence at the throat of the carb, but I'll end up switching it out later.

As far as the mounts go, Chuck offers solid mounts for your car, just not mine. But, like I said, there's nowhere to go anyway...
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Post by: Aerocoupe on August 02, 2010, 08:32:04 AM
With all of this work have you considered going to a tubular K-member?  I would suggest the Maximum Motorsports unit as you can move the rack about 3/4" to an 1" lower than stock (that is what it amounted to on my 93 Mustang) which may allow you to use the drop mounts and it will give you all kinds of clearance for exhaust and other items.  Granted its a bit of money but it sure beats the hell out of trying to make things fit here and there versus it just fitting.

Darren
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Post by: jrad235 on August 02, 2010, 09:18:31 AM
Quote from: Aerocoupe;330378
With all of this work have you considered going to a tubular K-member?  I would suggest the Maximum Motorsports unit as you can move the rack about 3/4" to an 1" lower than stock (that is what it amounted to on my 93 Mustang) which may allow you to use the drop mounts and it will give you all kinds of clearance for exhaust and other items.  Granted its a bit of money but it sure beats the hell out of trying to make things fit here and there versus it just fitting.

Darren

I refuse to work on my front suspension again for at least another year!!! I did actually have that thought last night,  but I think my previous post is the easier solution. I will not be using drop mounts.

If I was in the market for a Tubular K-Member though, it would be a no-brainer.
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Post by: jrad235 on August 07, 2010, 03:09:59 PM
Well, interesting turn of events last night! Took the intake/EGR apart to re-route it, and wonder of wonders, we never punched a hole in the copper gasket we made for the tubing!! The entire time the EGR has been non-functional! So instead of re-routing it directly into the intake, we decided to spend the evening hooking up the E-brakes instead. E-brake works real nice now, and I nixed the spacer. Hopefully tomorrow the hood will be fitted permanently. Pictures tomorrow.

I will probably get a 1/4" Phenolic spacer for under the carb to keep from boiling the fuel.
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Post by: jrad235 on August 08, 2010, 10:55:21 PM
So, it was too bright out to get a decent picture, but I think I got the lineup as good as it's going to get. It definitely needs some bondo(?) on the edge to even it up, some sanding on the back corners to bring it down, and some freakin quality control! Ok, maybe only a little. First thing, do NOT use the stock latch. Actually, you can't, because there isn't enough adjustment on the core support and the hole for it in the hood doesn't extend down far enough to catch it. The glass is very flexible where you are supposed to install the spring. The catch lever works...Just barely. The bolts almost didn't go in. The rearmost bolts for the hinges do not line up.  I did notice a few cracks in the gelcoat, I don't think they went into the glass though. I removed the bump stops and the rubber isolators to get the hood down flush(ish), also had to loosen the front weatherstrip along the header panel on the DS to get it to flush up. I.E. The hood is very thick!

I'm thinking about just pinning all four corners, and eliminating the hinges. They don't seem to be doing me any favors right now. Also I need to come up with a locking mechanism. Could use locking pins, but they are pretty cheesy.

The actual cowl portion of this hood is very thin(Flexes when pushed down on), and the edge is very unfinished. The slope of the cowl is very steep and makes the unfinished edge look awkward from inside the car. I definitely think a better hood could be designed, but I guess since I was unwilling to do it, I should just shut up.  :D

Anyway, from my conversations with other members, I don't think you can get much better regardless of the price payed, so I'll just make it work. Hope I didn't dissuade too many of you from the modification route!
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Post by: jrad235 on August 20, 2010, 09:22:19 AM
Ok, got the latch modified, added some upward adjustment, so now it locks nicely. Removed the springs from the hinges so now I don't have to work so hard to lower the hood. I set a date for next weekend to add material to the edges and fill in the cross brace along the back of the hood. Pictures some other time!
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Post by: sarjxxx on August 20, 2010, 06:32:40 PM
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Pictures some other time!

:beatyoass:


 JK cant wait to see it
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Post by: jrad235 on August 22, 2010, 09:22:47 PM
Drumroll please...


It isn't finished, but it is more or less bolted on, I'll drill for hood pins once I get the lineup perfect. But it does lock, and I can open and close it with ease.
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Post by: sarjxxx on August 22, 2010, 10:10:07 PM
Wow, the lines look great! Looks like the scoop comes way out off the back of the hood which is good. Wierd how it cuts up on the corners like that though. Lets see what it looks like on the under side! Good luck with filling that gap too man.
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Post by: jrad235 on August 22, 2010, 10:31:11 PM
See the previous page for another picture of the underside. The hood doesn't extend too far into the windshield,  but it is definitely odd about those corners.

The front latch area is laughable as far as support is concerned, but I'm not expecting it to hold the hood down at 80mph, just keep curious eyes and hands away from the motor. They did include an aluminum strike plate for the lock, and since you don't need to use the hood spring(It pops up acceptably on it's own)...

I will be replacing the Al. Strike plate with a piece of steel that wraps around the fiberglass to prevent wear on the inside.

The hood could definitely be better, but I certainly don't feel like making a mold, so...:D
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Post by: sarjxxx on August 23, 2010, 02:44:38 PM
Quote from: jrad235;333078
The hood could definitely be better, but I certainly don't feel like making a mold, so...:D

Sounds kinda like what you're really saying is "Don't buy one" :D


So are you saying that you were able to use the stock latch and safety with it, just that you want pins for a little more support?
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Post by: jrad235 on August 28, 2010, 12:01:12 AM
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So are you saying that you were able to use the stock latch and safety with it, just that you want pins for a little more support?

Try a lot more security as far as high speed safety is concerned. There are way too many reports of people using all kinds of fiberglass hoods without pins and having them fly up on the highway, destroying the hood/hinges/windshield/roof.

So yes, after modification, the stock latch works. The safety catch worked no problem, but the glass behind it isn't strong enough to hold the hood down with wind under it at 50MPH.

Also, Sunday is Fiberglass day!!
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Post by: opusx82 on September 15, 2010, 07:46:09 AM
does any one make fiberglass doors and frnders for the 88 t bird?
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Post by: EricCoolCats on September 15, 2010, 08:26:14 AM
http://www.hairyglass.com/thunderbird.html
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Post by: V8Demon on September 15, 2010, 08:42:42 AM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;335645
http://www.hairyglass.com/thunderbird.html


Someone's sending subliminal messages.:hick:
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on September 15, 2010, 10:03:56 AM
I was thinking about getting one fo those hoods, but after seeing the fit of it, I will get a different one, or something with a better fit.
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Post by: sarjxxx on September 15, 2010, 07:02:43 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;335645
http://www.hairyglass.com/thunderbird.html


too bad they don't make cowl hoods
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Post by: jrad235 on September 15, 2010, 07:39:56 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;335658
I was thinking about getting one fo those hoods, but after seeing the fit of it, I will get a different one, or something with a better fit.


Not sure exactly which one you are refering to, Champion or Hairy Glass?

Got some glass work done on the hood last week,  added some material to the edge and closed off the reinforcement cross member(Cowl vent area is still open).

Edge work came out really nice, block off came out ok. Found out that the raised edges at the back of the hood are due to the hood pivoting forward on the firewall since I only had two hinge bolts in. Found this out after I got it back from my glass guy and installed my newly slotted hinges, using all four bolts to the hood. It sits off the front about 2" up.

Off to the glass guy for notching of the rear braces on Sunday!

P.S. If i wasn't saying it before Sarjxxx, I'm saying it now. DON"T BUY THIS HOOD! (Unless you are fairly resourceful.) I currently have about an extra $300 in time and material into this hood for corrections. And that is definitely not a shop rate.
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Post by: sarjxxx on September 15, 2010, 07:50:09 PM
Thanx. I Don't plan on it. I have a few ideas floating around.
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Post by: EricCoolCats on September 15, 2010, 08:14:41 PM
The plain fact is that any fiberglass hood is not going to fit like the stock factory steel hood. They will all require fitment/tpuppies, sanding, filling of pinholes, and reinforcement around the hinge and latch areas. And even then, it's not going to be perfect. You have to expect all of this, and all the additional work, with fiberglass. If you do require perfection then simply keep the stock steel hood.

Honestly, my U.S. Body hood is heavier than the stock hood. I had no weight savings whatsoever. Now race hoods, that's a different story. They are lighter for weight savings but also not reinforced for street duty. They are pin-on only and should only be used on a non-street application. I've known a few people that bought race hoods for street use...end results are never pretty.
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Post by: sarjxxx on September 15, 2010, 08:21:11 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;335710
I've known a few people that bought race hoods for street use...end results are never pretty.


How do you mean; what happened? Not like high speeds would hurt it right? I mean, thats what a RACE hood is disigned for isn't it?
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Post by: jrad235 on September 26, 2010, 04:41:29 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;335710
The plain fact is that any fiberglass hood is not going to fit like the stock factory steel hood. They will all require fitment/tpuppies, sanding, filling of pinholes, and reinforcement around the hinge and latch areas. And even then, it's not going to be perfect. You have to expect all of this, and all the additional work, with fiberglass. If you do require perfection then simply keep the stock steel hood.

Honestly, my U.S. Body hood is heavier than the stock hood. I had no weight savings whatsoever. Now race hoods, that's a different story. They are lighter for weight savings but also not reinforced for street duty. They are pin-on only and should only be used on a non-street application. I've known a few people that bought race hoods for street use...end results are never pretty.


Well, I definitely expected some work, but I can't believe they can't make a mold that actually fits the car. Anyways, I think I'm done with it now. My glass guy did a great job of getting the side gaps looking good, and I'll just do a little sanding to get the rear corners level.

The rear brace in no way fits the car. I removed about 3/4" from the height of it, and it still hits the firewall. Looking at it closer now reveals there may be a slight clearance issue with the Pass wiper arm, but I'll deal with it later.

Next up. Transmission, and then, it might actually get painted!!(We'll see.)
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Post by: turbo_88_XR7 on September 26, 2010, 05:41:11 PM
i'm glad i actually took the time to read this thread.. i was about to order 1 for my capri after i saw the link, but that's just more BS than i'm willing to do.. i have enough work ahead of me. i'll just go back to my original idea and buy a cowl scoop, cut it up and turn make my hood look like an old mopar hood ;) that's more functional anyway
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Post by: jrad235 on September 26, 2010, 10:02:22 PM
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i'm glad i actually took the time to read this thread.. i was about to order 1 for my capri after i saw the link, but that's just more BS than i'm willing to do.. i have enough work ahead of me. i'll just go back to my original idea and buy a cowl scoop, cut it up and turn make my hood look like an old mopar hood ;) that's more functional anyway


Looking back, it probably would have been easier(And nicer) to order a steel cowl induction scoop, and weld it on.


What was I thinking!  Oh yeah, weight savings...
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Post by: turbo_88_XR7 on September 26, 2010, 10:06:02 PM
i meant a fiberglass cowl, cut it down to where i want it to reverse it and use panel bonding and rivets to secure it
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Post by: jrad235 on September 26, 2010, 11:59:41 PM
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i meant a fiberglass cowl, cut it down to where i want it to reverse it and use panel bonding and rivets to secure it


I had a glass cowl on my stock hood for awhile, but I didn't want to worry about paint cracking from bondo and such after it was painted.
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Post by: turbo_88_XR7 on September 27, 2010, 12:48:00 AM
not much bondo will be involved with mine.. the flat lip will get ground down on an angle and glassed with a very light coat of bondo.. if it cracks, it cracks.. i'm build a boosted streetable track car, not a show car lol
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Post by: sarjxxx on September 27, 2010, 09:13:49 PM
Think that's the direction I'll end up going too. Definitely start with stock *shape* (dono whether glass or metal), cut big hole, meld on scoop, go from there. Add reinforcements or whatever and diy. Just doesn't seem to be the right prefab out there right now.
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Post by: jrad235 on February 12, 2011, 06:52:04 PM
Small update; got the hood clearanced for the wiper motor bulge in the firewall and so the hood is now firmly bolted on. With the opening in the back of the hood, I haven't seen any deflection, so I don't have hood pins yet, but I will probably before the end of the month.
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Post by: sarjxxx on February 12, 2011, 11:06:57 PM
I thought you said you posted pic(s). I only see 1. :disappoin

heh thats cool though. Glad you got it all straightened out. What a pita.
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Post by: jrad235 on February 12, 2011, 11:29:32 PM
Quote from: sarjxxx;352773
I thought you said you posted pic(s). I only see 1. :disappoin

heh thats cool though. Glad you got it all straightened out. What a pita.

It's not my fault you didn't check my clutch thread!  :P
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Post by: jrad235 on March 09, 2011, 10:08:13 PM
Big update. Got the car in primer for the trip to Vegas, installed hood pins the day I left! This is just primer, and there will be lots of work on top of it!

BIG Thank you to Seek and my other friends who made this possible, by the way. This car would never have looked this good without their help!
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Yes, I know I have to go back and redo a bunch of edges, this was strictly a "get it looking semi-decent for the roadtrip" shoot. I wasn't going to paint the bumpers originally, that's why they just got scuffed.  For those that don't know, I sanded Sat - 26th, Sun - 27th, and Mon night - 28th. Prepped and painted Tues night - 1st, let it cure Wed - 2nd, and drove it to Vegas on Thursday afternoon - 3rd!
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Post by: jrad235 on March 09, 2011, 10:09:36 PM
And one of the actual hood!
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Post by: sarjxxx on March 09, 2011, 10:12:38 PM
Time for painted pics and a new sigpic;)

She's lookin great btw
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Post by: jrad235 on March 10, 2011, 07:45:03 PM
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Time for painted pics and a new sigpic;)

She's lookin great btw

I definitely need a new sig pic.I'm thinking about a before and after shot! I just want to find a cool place to take the picture.
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Post by: sarjxxx on March 10, 2011, 11:29:25 PM
How about Florida?;)
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Post by: jrad235 on March 10, 2011, 11:35:02 PM
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How about Florida?;)

Shoot! The next big plan is definitely the East coast, but I doubt I would make it all the way down to Florida! Besides, why don't the rest of you take some road trips! :D
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Post by: sarjxxx on March 11, 2011, 12:23:07 AM
lol I am going to DD this year. Meet up there?:cheers:
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Post by: sarjxxx on March 19, 2011, 04:17:28 PM
THERE'S that new sigpic:D
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Post by: jrad235 on March 19, 2011, 06:52:17 PM
Yep, looks pretty sharp, doesn't it?
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Post by: sarjxxx on March 19, 2011, 10:35:48 PM
looks awesome:D

You need to get some engine pics in Vinnie's thread!
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Post by: jrad235 on March 20, 2011, 12:38:28 AM
Shoot, that motor compartment is a mess. Needs a lot of routing and cleanup work. Runs good though!
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Post by: sarjxxx on March 23, 2011, 10:27:59 PM
Doesn't matter. It's still the only one like it around here. Lets see some pics:D