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Title: turbov6
Post by: wnt2gofst on September 12, 2008, 03:13:44 PM
can you put a turbo off of a tc on an 87 v6, will the block hold the extra pressure?
Title: turbov6
Post by: Haystack on September 12, 2008, 09:34:38 PM
No. they throw head gaskets like nobody's business stock. A 3.8 wouldn't be a good choice unless you threw a 4.0 in. I would also look into the copper ring head gaskets if you were serious...

You wouldn't want to run more then 5 to 6 psi on a stock motor, and thats for a v-8. Anything over that, you would prolly want hardened internalls. The closest thing I know of is a guy that put a deseil turbo on a v-6 mustang.
Title: turbov6
Post by: jcassity on September 12, 2008, 11:34:59 PM
Quote from: wnt2gofst;235972
can you put a turbo off of a tc on an 87 v6, will the block hold the extra pressure?


what scares me the most about this question is the one to follow..
which undoubtably would be

"How"
Title: turbo v6
Post by: wnt2gofst on September 13, 2008, 10:43:20 PM
id use the connections off of the tc header and weld them to my v6 on the side that i could make room for it and then just run the pipes and connect the intercooler and connect it to the throttle body.
Title: turbov6
Post by: Chuck W on September 13, 2008, 11:18:25 PM
There are so  many things wrong with this idea, it's hard to say where to start.

First, the early non-SC 3.8 is not going to hold up to any kind of boosting..at least not for very long.

Secondly, since you never said what year "TC" you are talking about...and contrary to what you might think...they are not all the same.  Regardless of that fact, a single Garret T3 from the earlier TC's will not even come close to being big enough for a 3.8 (if it was even able to handle it) and the IHI turbo from the later TC's is even smaller.

Clean answer?

No....
Title: turbov6
Post by: wnt2gofst on September 14, 2008, 06:43:51 PM
thanks thats what i wanted to know
Title: turbov6
Post by: Haystack on September 14, 2008, 07:50:04 PM
you could always throw two turbo's on each side. And get a newer supercoupe block. It should already be built to handle boost and you'll prolly want a new motor to mock it up on anyways...
Title: turbov6
Post by: wnt2gofst on September 15, 2008, 04:53:24 PM
so, if i got a newer block would i be able to use all my original parts on the newer block? cause mine is cfi and i dont really want to change all the wiring for port injection
Title: turbov6
Post by: vinnietbird on September 15, 2008, 05:30:05 PM
Just swap in a 5.0.
Title: turbov6
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on September 15, 2008, 05:42:27 PM
Quote from: wnt2gofst;236273
so, if i got a newer block would i be able to use all my original parts on the newer block? cause mine is cfi and i dont really want to change all the wiring for port injection


It ain't gonna happen, forget CFI even exists if you're serious about applying boost...
Title: turbov6
Post by: Beau on September 15, 2008, 06:34:45 PM
The easiest, most reliable, and least hassling way to get more power and torque in your car is to swap to a 5.0, preferably an HO version.
If you can wire up a stereo, then you can swap harness's and EEC's.

If you have a hard on for a forced induction 3.8, then go with as new of a SC engine as you can possibly find, there's a member here that did it, but it's involved :D
Title: turbov6
Post by: wnt2gofst on September 15, 2008, 08:31:07 PM
ok sounds like i just need to put in a 5.0, i have three cars the v6, tc, and an 88 xr7, but the xr7 has 255,000 and the v6 only has 73,000 and the tc has 175,000 on it so i was just tring to avoid rebuilding the 5.0, but thanks for the info
Title: turbov6
Post by: Haystack on September 15, 2008, 08:35:39 PM
5.0 or 2.3 would be the way to go. The 3.8 can be built, for alot of money though. Check out http://www.moranav6racing.com/ if you got alot of cash. If not, do a 87-93 mustang swap on the 88 xr7. Thats the perfect starter car to begin with.
Title: turbov6
Post by: wnt2gofst on September 16, 2008, 11:08:06 AM
i would have started on the xr7 already but the body and susp. need to be rebuilt also, the body has A LOT of rust issues and the susp. is really bad, but thats what indiana winters do to cars
Title: turbov6
Post by: blackcougar71 on September 16, 2008, 01:40:50 PM
you could boost a v6 right after you buy a head gasket set so when it does blow your ready to rebuild the head gasket. also the v6 will handle 6psi tops. if you dont want to find a supercoupe engine go get a cheap 4.2 liter engine out of a f150 and you boost all day long with no blown headgaskets.
Title: turbov6
Post by: wnt2gofst on September 16, 2008, 02:15:17 PM
what year of an f150?
Title: turbov6
Post by: blackcougar71 on September 17, 2008, 12:49:54 PM
97 and up
Title: turbov6
Post by: wnt2gofst on September 17, 2008, 03:48:04 PM
will i have to change my trans or anything else?
Title: turbov6
Post by: wnt2gofst on September 17, 2008, 03:49:11 PM
and how much boost?
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Post by: Tbird232ci on September 17, 2008, 04:03:37 PM
Time to sound like a dick, since I'm good at it.

You have to learn more to accomplish your goal. You don't just put a turbo on an engine, and go "yay, I have 400 horsepower". You have to learn about the computer system, how you're going to tune it, how you're going to keep up with the fuel demands, what to do about your ignition system, what turbo is appropriate for your goals, how you will mount said turbo to your car, how you will plumb it, intercooler or no intercooler, strength of the engine, strength of the transmission, strength of the rear, the body, the suspension, and so many more factors before you consider it.

Or...you can ignore me, slap something together, blow it up, and be mad at the world.
Title: turbov6
Post by: wnt2gofst on September 17, 2008, 05:58:42 PM
i know all of that, i just want to know if the 4.2 will bolt up to my AOD and how much boost psi the block will hold before it gives?
Title: turbov6
Post by: Haystack on September 17, 2008, 07:45:19 PM
http://www.google.com
Title: turbov6
Post by: t3skidoo on September 19, 2008, 01:14:46 AM
Start with a supercoupe V6 and trans.  Add two IHIs with ICs. 

Keep us posted on the results.
Title: turbov6
Post by: Tbird232ci on September 19, 2008, 12:53:42 PM
Quote from: wnt2gofst;236525
i know all of that, i just want to know if the 4.2 will bolt up to my AOD and how much boost psi the block will hold before it gives?

So explain your setup plan.
Title: turbov6
Post by: blackcougar71 on September 19, 2008, 02:33:59 PM
like everyone said you must have aleast a good idea on what your getting yourself into and how you want to build a turbo v6. it not easy at all. i am still finishing my plan on paper to build my turbo 4.2 v6. while i buy the big parts.
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Post by: 88TurboCoupeman01 on September 19, 2008, 06:25:53 PM
The 3.8 is called the head Gasket hog,even the front wheel drive 3.8. U could Turbo it but it would be less heace to turbo a 5.0 or even buying a TC or XR-7. Or get a SC and build a custom if you really want to build a 3.8.
Title: turbov6
Post by: SR71TC on September 19, 2008, 09:08:18 PM
??????^^^^^^??????
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on September 19, 2008, 11:02:33 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;236717
So explain your setup plan.


What plan???
Title: turbov6
Post by: Beau on September 20, 2008, 12:54:34 AM
Quote from: 88TurboCoupeman01;236745
The 3.8 is called the head Gasket hog,even the front wheel drive 3.8. U could Turbo it but it would be less heace to turbo a 5.0 or even buying a TC or XR-7. Or get a SC and build a custom if you really want to build a 3.8.

First off, WTF is a "heace"?

He wants to know about putting a turbo on a 3.8/4.2, not a 5.0, or anything else. I'd say that Shawn's post pretty well summed it up...you didn't need to spew nonsense about it...course, I didn't either :flip:

Then again, what could I expect comin' from a guy with 30# valves...:punchballs:
Title: turbov6
Post by: wnt2gofst on October 19, 2008, 10:10:53 PM
i got a 4.0 out of an explorer and i got a turbo off of a 99 f350 im in the process of getting the rest of the parts now. i got a 5 spd trans out of the explorer also. anybody now anything about a conversion?
auto to man.
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Post by: jcassity on October 19, 2008, 11:30:43 PM
Quote from: wnt2gofst;239871
i got a 4.0 out of an explorer and i got a turbo off of a 99 f350 im in the process of getting the rest of the parts now. i got a 5 spd trans out of the explorer also. anybody now anything about a conversion?
auto to man.


doesnt Dare live out near you?
Title: turbov6
Post by: wnt2gofst on October 20, 2008, 09:59:37 PM
yeah we live in the same area, but its not like we are neighbors or anything