General => Lounge => Topic started by: P71 on May 11, 2008, 10:19:38 PM
Title: Just got back from the race track!
Post by: P71 on May 11, 2008, 10:19:38 PM
You guys should have seen me tear up the autocross course in the 'Vic! :burnout:
The course was really tight! The opening gate was a 90* Chicago style turn and the outlet was so narrow that it just wouldn't fit. I hit the last cone in the box with the tail of the back bumper on nearly every single run. :hick:
I did manage a 44.830 (FTD was a 36.3 ish? in a Carerra 2.7 RS and most of the Boxter's/Caymen's were in the 46's so I was mid-pack. Slow man out was a 47.9 in a 914). :shakeass:
I got 10 runs which was awesome. I'm beat! When are any of you going to try it? :beatyoass:
I also ran the brackets Saturday night.
[SIZE="5"]ANOTHER WIN!!! [/SIZE]
Four more rounds and another certificate for the wall. My reaction times: 1st round - .174 (I know, I know, but his was a .345!!!), 2nd Round - .086, 3rd - .018, Final - .026, Bonus Round 1 - .030, Bonus Round 2 - .078. :evilgrin:
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Post by: SSX on May 11, 2008, 11:17:55 PM
Wasn't the RX-7 ready for the autocross, or did you just want to run the Vic?
Title: Just got back from the race track!
Post by: P71 on May 11, 2008, 11:37:56 PM
The RX-7 is supposed to be the autocross car, but with the bracket race being the night before I figured what the hay, might as well run it instead of driving 100 miles round trip to swap cars. Next month will be all-RX-7.
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on May 12, 2008, 01:24:11 AM
haha I am getting my first run this year on the Dunnville Autodrome next Saturday... Am taking the Capri for sure, and maybe the MN12 bird.
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Post by: silvercv2002 on May 12, 2008, 02:07:43 PM
Awesome. Would love to see a big ol' Vic on the Autocross.
Title: check it out!!
Post by: gumby on May 13, 2008, 12:40:15 PM
Title: Just got back from the race track!
Post by: Chuck W on May 13, 2008, 12:41:44 PM
Interesting...
Maybe they confused the Vic for the RX-7 :dunno:
One hell of a bell curve if last place was "midpack"
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on May 13, 2008, 01:10:15 PM
What does DNS mean? The last 6 drivers have DNS after their names, and it shows Micheal Pinto in 51st place.... and having the last score shown. Can someone explain this to me please?
50 NP 50 Kimberly Beck 2006 Mazda Miata 45.385 0.672 8.784 51 NP 83 Michael Pinto 1984 Mazda RX-7 46.830 1.445 10.229 52 S2 153 Scott Faris 2001 Porsche 911 DNS 53 I1 74 Kent Olsen 1972 Porsche 911T DNS 54 NP 1171 Ryan Otis 2006 LRC DNS 55 P3 109 Ryan Sauer 1979 Porsche 911SC DNS 56 NP 111 Sandy Snethen 1992 Chevrolet Corvette DNS 57 NP 114 Eric Wishan 2006 BMW Z4 DNS
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Post by: Chuck W on May 13, 2008, 01:31:25 PM
DNS= Did not start, did not score..... or something along those lines.
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Post by: P71 on May 13, 2008, 01:32:18 PM
"DNS" is "Did Not Start". Either they were a no-show or they failed tech.
For some reason they don't use "DNF" though? The Coronet wagon got thrown out for leaving 2-3 quarts of ATF all over the track. He did some donuts out in the paddock on his way out and the officials were screaming for him stop. Rumor is he earned a lifetime ban...
I forgot to add my cones! You get a 2 second penalty for every cone hit that actually falls over or moves out of the "box". On raw time I'd be up ONE place, darn! I had guesstimated my mid-pack seeing others times on the scoreboard at the event. If you look through this results page: http://www.oregonpca.org/events/autocross/ax-results/2008-ax3/ax3-final-results-with-cones/ You'll see that a LOT of people had one "perfect" run with a whole load of slower runs. Guess you only need the one though right? For example: 1T I1 152 Richard Averitt 1971 Porsche 914 50.994 47.232 46.757 46.796+1 47.339 46.314 46.028 44.266 44.512+1
It's really hard and hectic to know what's going on during the event. I didn't even see the results page was up.
I had registered with the RX-7 (which they have wrong anyways, it's supposed to be an 83 not an 84) and changed cars at the last second. They kind of "stop bothering" with the Non-Porsche guys after 15 places. :(
My best raw time was a 44.830 (+1 cone). 5 runs in the low 45's (all with that same cone) and then worse ones with more cones (in the wet). :hick:
Still tons of fun :D Trying again Saturday!
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Post by: V8Demon on May 13, 2008, 08:03:58 PM
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You'll see that a LOT of people had one "perfect" run with a whole load of slower runs. Guess you only need the one though right? For example: 1T I1 152 Richard Averitt 1971 Porsche 914 50.994 47.232 46.757 46.796+1 47.339 46.314 46.028 44.266 44.512+1
I'd do the same thing...feel out the course and see what the car and myself were capable of on that particular track. This is especially true if I've never run there before or if I'm running a different car than before.
As far as not bothering after 15 places with the non Porsche guys....Looks like they posted everybody's raw time....As far as the scores with cones....I would bet it's on record at the track in their archives. They most likely won't post up lower scores that most people will show little or no interest in. To them it is most likely a waste of time. That time could be better spent somewhere else. Remember, it IS a business.
As far as the 83/84 thing I would think that's more on you. No one person is a car expert on every type of car. It should be in your best interest to make the info available and easily understandable to the records keepers as to avoid errors.
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Post by: P71 on May 13, 2008, 10:20:59 PM
Every autocross is a new track, they are notoriously hard to "replicate". Most drivers varied little if any after their first run or two (myself included). A slow "scouting" trip and then working at ever decreasing times. I dropped a steady two total seconds over my 6 good dry runs after my 2 scouting runs. Some guys attack it all out on every try in hopes of making one perfect time (the overall FTD did that). Others just get lucky on a single run. Everybody has a different style, and mine is still very conservative.
It says raw time, but it's not, it's final times. Take a look at the results page I posted and you'll see some people's raw times are quicker then the final times listed on the first list, and a +1 for the 1 cone (2 seconds). They only show the complete run chart down to 15th for the NP guys.
The 83/84 thing is 100% up to them. The registration is all done online and my online profile shows 83 RX-7. I don't know why it doesn't update correctly unless they hand-type it in.
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Post by: V8Demon on May 14, 2008, 08:09:48 AM
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The 83/84 thing is 100% up to them. [COLOR="Red"]The registration is all done online[/COLOR]
ORPCA Members Non-members** Pre-Registration $35 $40 Walk-Up Registration $40 $45
Pre-registration: http://orpca.motorsportreg.com/ In order to improve our operations and have more time for fun we have implemented an online pre-registration program this year. It is simple and easy to use. Just go to http://orpca.motorsportreg.com/ and establish an account, which only takes a few minutes, and you can register for our with a few clicks of your mouse. Each event date in the schedule is linked to the registration page until the event has passed.
ORPCA Members: Registration for each event is now open unrestricted. We will limit the total number of entrants to 50 people.
**Non-ORPCA Members: Registration for each event will be opened approximately 2 weeks before the event depending on availability. There will be a MAX of 15 Non-ORPCA entrants for each event and a MAX of 50 entrants for each event (i.e. if there are 40 ORPCA members pre-registered, then there will only be 10 Non-ORPCA slots available when registration opens 2 weeks before each event).
AND
http://www.oregonpca.org/events/autocross/
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How do I get in on the action? Just come on down to PIR. Each partint typically gets 5-6 timed runs each. Arrive at PIR by 7:00am to check in or register and walk the course prior to our 8:30am drivers meeting. Track crossing for events in the Pro Pits is at the Start/Finish line midway down the PIR front straight, and is closed from 9:00am until we are done.
What to bring: Helmet* (2000 or 2005 SA or M rated); bottled water; and a jacket. *Limited Loaner Helmets Available
Seems to me you can register in person.....The Porsche guys get first dibs because, well, it's their sandbox and you have to wait your turn to play in it.....
I assume you have an account...I decided against creating one just to see where the 83/84 discrepancy was, but it was clear that the registrant was to provide the info for the vehicle(s) in question. I am unable to view your profile or can't find it so I don't know what the issue is there.
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It says raw time, but it's not, it's final times. Take a look at the results page I posted and you'll see some people's raw times are quicker then the final times listed on the first list, and a +1 for the 1 cone (2 seconds). They only show the complete run chart down to 15th for the NP guys.
As far as the Raw time/Final results with cones.....I wasn't about to check every single one over.....I did compare about ten and the times jived....the far right time which was in bold on the results page always matched the time on the raw page for the ones I checked.....Do you have a specific example?
Judging by this, You may have not been consideered an entrant. Guess they took the highest 15 and determined those guys were or perhaps you got in last minute as they wanted to fill up the field? I'm curious why there were more than 50 names on the raw results page.
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There will be a MAX of 15 Non-ORPCA entrants for each event and a MAX of 50 entrants for each event (i.e. if there are 40 ORPCA members pre-registered, then there
Title: Just got back from the race track!
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on May 14, 2008, 11:10:01 AM
V-8 can you please explain the difference between Raw time and Final time? I've never raced before so I am not familiar with any of it.
Does this mean that there were only 15 cars that actually raced and counted? Or are there 50 cars and that is all that counted? I am really confused. lol
Why would they put on the cars times on up to 51 cars??? And are they in order from first to last, so is #51 position dead last since as explained already the ones listed after that didn't start???
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Post by: P71 on May 14, 2008, 11:22:28 AM
Raw time is the time it actually took you to go around the course.
Final time is the raw time plus any penalties (cones). If you have raw times with penalties that are higher then other raw times, then the lowest final time is your "best" (The 39 second example above. He ran 2 runs with a lower "raw" time in the 39's. But he clipped a cone in each causing a 2-second penalty making the times 41's. So his "clean" 40 run is his best final time).
All 51 cars raced and were counted. More then that were signed up, but the "DNS" cars of course didn't actually run at all. So yes, I was dead last in final times.
The 15 cars comes from the "NP" (Non-Porsche) category. They stop producing the raw times table after 10-15 NP cars which is why my 23rd in class isn't on that list. It's a PCA event for Porsche's and in a class of 20+ cars the top 6 trophy, so they don't feel a need to explain beyond 10 or so places how the final times were achieved.
In rally cross (auto cross on dirt/gravel/mud/snow) they use your combined time (ie- all of your times added together) to produce finishing order, awarding consistency over outright speed on one run.
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Post by: P71 on May 14, 2008, 11:22:45 AM
Raw time is the time it actually took you to go around the course.
Final time is the raw time plus any penalties (cones). If you have raw times with penalties that are higher then other raw times, then the lowest final time is your "best" (The 39 second example above. He ran 2 runs with a lower "raw" time in the 39's. But he clipped a cone in each causing a 2-second penalty making the times 41's. So his "clean" 40 run is his best final time).
All 51 cars raced and were counted. More then that were signed up, but the "DNS" cars of course didn't actually run at all. So yes, I was dead last in final times.
The 15 cars comes from the "NP" (Non-Porsche) category. They stop producing the raw times table after 10-15 NP cars which is why my 23rd in class isn't on that list. It's a PCA event for Porsche's and in a class of 20+ cars the top 6 trophy, so they don't feel a need to explain beyond 10 or so places how the final times were achieved.
In rally cross (auto cross on dirt/gravel/mud/snow) they use your combined time (ie- all of your times added together) to produce finishing order, awarding consistency over outright speed on one run.
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Post by: gumby on May 14, 2008, 12:08:58 PM
well since i chose to poke the bear, so to speak, i guess i will explain.
your posted results differed from those on the official results page. when you appointed yourself as the caretaker of the of the FTBCF top 25 you also placed yourself somewhat in the spotlight wrt records keeping and such. when you put up differing numbers(for whatever reason), it makes people curious. i believe V8Demon had valid concerns, and you gettin defensive in your explanations does not help your case.
as far as how TurboFord the FTBCF may or may not be, i dont see anyone else complaining. i believe this is your problem, not ours. i also believe you figured out a workable solution to your problem over there, no?
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on May 14, 2008, 01:42:58 PM
I don't see someone having legitimate concerns about something as being the same as having negative attitude. I don't think this site is a negative one, but I do believe that people who know their stuff will call bullshiznit when they see it. I've seen a few around here who have spewed BS left and right then turned around and whined about it when someone called them on it. This is a great site, as long as it is maintained as a truthful one, which I think is what most here desire. If someone doesn't like it being a truthful site, then I suppose they could leave it.... but they shouldn't expect everyone else to lay down and allow the BS to continue. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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Post by: V8Demon on May 14, 2008, 05:22:06 PM
SCCA events in many instances have what is called a PAX time.
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Understanding PAX Factors The PAX factors are derived from comparisons of the best drivers in the different open SCCA classes in a selected series of events. Thus a PAX factor is a sort of handicap with a PAX of 1.000 being for the fastest class of cars (A-Modified). Let's look at an example. RAW TIMES FOR SAME DRIVER IN CARS IN 3 CLASSES To understand PAX factors consider what would happen if one of the best drivers in the country practiced in three different cars which were prepared to the limit of the rules for their class and then competed in each car on the same course. That driver would achieve the raw times in an AM, SS, and HS car shown at the right.
PAX FACTOR CALCULATION FOR CARS IN 3 CLASSES Therefore the fastest car is the AM car and the slowest is the HS car. If we were to divide the raw time for the fastest car (AM) by the raw time for each car we would get the PAX Factor relative to the fastest car as shown to the right.
PAX TIME CALCULATION FOR CARS IN 3 CLASSES If we now MULTIPLE the raw time for each car by the PAX Factor we will get the PAX Time for each car as shown to the right.
PAX TIMES FOR 3 DRIVERS IN 3 CARS So, the PAX Time for each car is the same, which is what we would expect if they were driven by the same driver with ample practice in each car. But, what would happen if each car was now driven by a different driver? The process is the same...MULTIPLE the Raw Time received by each entrant by the PAX Factor for the car's class. Suppose the results were as shown to the right.
As you can see in this example the car actually winning the class would be the HS car because the driver turned in Raw Time which gave a PAX Time better than the others. The driver of the SS and AM cars did not extract the same potential as predicted by the PAX Factors which says they should have received faster Raw Times.
Since it is not possible to get the same driver trained in the best prepared cars in every class, PAX Factors are derived from buttstuffyzing the results of top drivers in the best prepared cars in several selected events across the country to try and determine the predicted performance of fully prepared cars in a given class.
Besides that the raw times chart was labelled as "FINAL Raw Times"
I take that to mean that the cone deductions had been factored in as the other page showed actual track times. Perhaps a more appropriate title for those times should be "Official Times", but rumaging through other autocross sites shows this one is not the only one that does it this way.
I do have one observation concerning the labelling on the car......
If I signed up for an autocross event with my Cougar and showed up with my Mustang I would expect some raised eyebrows and some paperwork that I would have to fill out along with possibly a longer than normal safety check. By your own statements, there is a tech inspection at these events...
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OK, you want a freaking explanation for every little f-ing thing, FINE! [COLOR="Red"]Here you go big shot![/COLOR][COLOR="Blue"]<---guess that's me =)[/COLOR] Car (83/84): http://www.motorsportreg.com "Garage Vehicle Color 1983 Mazda RX-7 Red Metallic 2001 Ford Interceptor Dark Blue" "Club Memberships Organization PCA - Oregon Region SCCA - Oregon Region" "Registration History Date Organization Venue May 2008 PCA - Oregon Region Portland Int'l Raceway South Pits details Apr 2008 PCA - Oregon Region Portland Int'l Raceway South Pits details"
That explain it well enough yet?
Not really, but it shows that somebody on their end looks to have indeed made a typo if the above info you typed is correct. Other than that.......NO. Especially if the Vic is in your profile. You DO have to sign in upon showing up, correct?
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I did manage a 44.830 (FTD was a 36.3 ish? in a Carerra 2.7 RS and [COLOR="Red"]most of the Boxter's/Caymen's were in the 46's [/COLOR]so I was mid-pack. Slow man out was a 47.9 in a 914).
Of [SIZE="5"]ALL[/SIZE] of the times posted on the chart with the cone deductions included there were 12 runs in the 46 second or higher out of 96 shown runs for Caymans/Boxsters.
12 out of 96 is 1/8 or .125 or 12.5%......hardly most.
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your posted results differed from those on the official results page. when you appointed yourself as the caretaker of the of the FTBCF top 25 you also placed yourself somewhat in the spotlight wrt records keeping and such. when you put up differing numbers(for whatever reason), it makes people curious.
Exactly.
You gripe about how they keep score of things (only 15 NP guys listed) yet they spell that out all over their website. You used guesses and wailed about a system that to me appears quite easy to understand and is accuarate and set up for the SCCA guy if they wanted to do PAX conversions.
As far as negative attitude, nobody called you a name. The same cannot be said in reverse. While "big shot" is unoffensive for the most part it does show you in fact have thrown the first name calling stone, however small it may be.
As far as the bracket racing:
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Or is it you don't believe I won the bracket race? It's OK, I can provide that too: http://www.pdxcgp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4184
Clicking on the link you provide gives me this:
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Log In Username: Password: Log me on automatically each visit Register Terms of Use I forgot my password Resend activation email
You know --- one of those "you must be logged in to view this" deals.
You've been coming here long enough to know that this place as a whole searches endlessly for truth. If you post up something and say "it's a duck" it well better walk, talk and float like a duck.
Lastly, I just noticed a new smilie and I HAVE to use it --:mercury:
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Post by: JeremyB on May 14, 2008, 05:33:26 PM
Is everyone drinking this?
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Post by: Tbird232ci on May 14, 2008, 06:49:42 PM
I just took a ride in the elehater.
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on May 14, 2008, 07:36:54 PM
In da club :mullet:
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on May 14, 2008, 08:31:25 PM
Hey, it isn't all hate - nobody pointed out that you posted your results in the wrong section :mullet: (at least I don't think they did - I didn't bother reading it all, I've got a headache and it's too many words right now :hick:
I, personally, am not surprised a CVPI came in dead last among a bunch of Porsches. It would have been really, really funny had you actually beaten one in your big, American "dinosaur".
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on May 14, 2008, 08:41:16 PM
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Is everyone drinking this?
It mine as well be Hatorade - that stuff hate me. If I drink any of that I get the most violent acid-reflux. I solved my acid reflux problem (knock on wood) by cutting out all electrolite drinks!
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Post by: P71 on May 14, 2008, 08:57:04 PM
And to answer your questions V8Demon...
The RX-7 and the 'Vic have both already had their yearly tech by the Oregon PCA for autocross. They do a simple visual check (lugnuts, trunk empty, seatbelts work, tires good) on the yearly teched cars. Both cars are also in their online "system". So while normally showing up in a different car would cause a little delay, in this instance there was none.
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Post by: V8Demon on May 15, 2008, 06:27:36 AM
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Both cars are also in their online "system". So while normally showing up in a different car would cause a little delay, in this instance there was none.
If it were me, I'd make it a point to correct the snafu.....seeing as a car listed as an '87 RX7 smoked the "84". That and random people who view it will see that a Vic went against Porsches.
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I still don't understand why everybody jumped me for my "guesstimation" when the Official Results weren't even out yet.
Because they weren't even REMOTELY close and you don't state that they were "unofficial" results until it was pointed out by someone else. That coupled with your very first sentence typed makes it SOUND as if you placed higher.
Innocent mistakes? :poke: It was misleading to say the least!
Perhaps your opening statement should have been:
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Hey all! Just got back from my first auto cross! I had a blast! Wish I had done better, but that will come in time.
Lastly
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How many of you bashed the snot out of carpimp over his paint job? Seriously take a gander at the "tone" of this site overall. I'm not the first person to point that out this year either...
Post in a public place expecting responses and you most likely will get them. If they are not the type of response you want that is too bad...
:oldcougar: >:birdsmily:
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Post by: V8Demon on May 15, 2008, 04:09:50 PM
I was gonna add to my previous post, but this belongs separately IMO:
John and I both got 8 runs. The RX-7 ended up with a 44.795 best time (John got 43.887 in the GTO). [COLOR="Red"]We were smack in the middle of the pack[/COLOR][/B]
44 NP 144 [COLOR="Red"]John Russell [/COLOR]2005 Pontiac GTO 43.887 0.044 7.502 45 NP 523 Kathy Averitt 1992 Honda CRX 44.112 0.225 7.727 46 P3 151 Jamie Nowlin 1969 Porche 911E 44.551 0.439 8.166 47 NP 10 Bill Helzer 1994 Mazda Miata 44.664 0.113 8.279 48 NP 143 Joshua Skinner 1996 Dodge Dakota 44.792 0.128 8.407 49 NP 83 [COLOR="Red"] Michael Pinto[/COLOR] 1984 Mazda RX-7 44.795 0.003 8.410 50 NP 50 Kimberly Beck 2006 Mazda Miata 48.133 3.338 11.748 51 NP 1117 Neal Stanley 2006 LRC 51.749 3.616 15.364 52 P3 6 Harry Danberg 1973 Porsche 911T DNS 53 S2 46 Dave Kelley 2004 Porsche 996T DNS 54 P3 75 Aaron Leeb 1988 Porsche 911 Targa DNS 55 S1 7 Alan Meyer 2006 Porsche Cayman S DNS 56 S1 711 Muriel Meyer 2006 Porsche Cayman S DNS 57 P3 62 Scott Mills 1982 Porsche 911 SC DNS 58 P5 13 Tom Pavlik 2001 Porsche Boxster S DNS 59 M1 914 Trevor Turner-Rice 1974 Porsche 914-6 DNS
2 separate occasion 3 weeks apart. The same "guesstimations" to determine the outcome. One would THINK after going through it once before, you would have some knowledge as to how it works and a better idea as to how you fared overall against the other competitors. Again -- very misleading. A trend.
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on May 15, 2008, 04:17:01 PM
ouch
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on May 15, 2008, 04:52:14 PM
:nkhk:
:rollin:
:nono:
:poke: :poke: :poke: :poke:
:popcorn:
:deal:
:punchballs: :toilet:
:shakeass:
:beatyoass: :beatyoass: :mullet:
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on May 15, 2008, 05:57:55 PM
*just kidding man... couldn't resist these new ones I found.
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on May 15, 2008, 06:51:18 PM
[SIZE="7"]FREE BEER!!![/SIZE]
:bowdown:
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Post by: V8Demon on May 15, 2008, 06:55:37 PM
The car is capable of 12's my friend. If I were to turn 15's it than I had a bad day. BTW my "POS Cougar" has NEVER given me even close to the amount of fits your precious "Layla" did.
Stop changing the subject.
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Guess V8Demon didn't bother to actually read my post above his where I already found the results from the RX-7's autocross and showed that only beat 2 cars instead of coming in mid-pack
If not for our asking here or OUR looking further into it would you have admitted this fact?!!! NO. I read the statement. It's a cheap way to try to back out of your previous ones.
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You're acting like I've been in here proclaiming free beer will fall from the heavens
You beat your chest so hard every time you make a run to the racetrack I'm surprised it hasn't......
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My guess's weren't spot on, big freaking deal
You're guesses weren't spot on about that FMS spoiler or the rear in that '87 either, now were they?
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Post by: V8Demon on May 15, 2008, 10:29:36 PM
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You want more, bring it on. NEITHER of your cars have ever been to the track! Scared? So what, I post when I go to the track. It's not my fault you all are freaking SCARED. I've made more passes this year alone then the entire rest of the board, combined. So yeah, you're gonna hear about my racing more. Chew on that.
My "precious Layla" also made what, 30 odd more 1/4 mile passes then your Cougar did? How many miles have you driven? How many states? Road trips? Your car sits in the driveway and collects dust, ohhh I'm soooo impressed! Yeah, my POS broke a lot. It also got driven. Huh, imagine that? Actually DRIVING a car?!?! Nead I remind you that slavering POS actually had over 180,000 miles on it when I sold it, over 10,000 of which were on my engine. So go ahead, change the subject.
Nope aint had either one in their current forms at the track....SO? I know what similar setups have done at the track. Plenty of track rats HAVE driven my cars. I know what they are capable of. I feel no need to show off. 3 runs this summer @ Carlisle in the Mustang -- weather permitting.
I've owned the Cougar for 10+ years now. 7 of those years it was my DAILY DRIVER. for 2.5 years it made a 240 mile round trip EVERY WEEKEND. I posted a thread in here about the only time the car let me down......May 2006 -- fuel pump --- a Walbro 255 no less....It STILL sees about 4000-5000 miles a year.
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Hold on, I want to get this straight before I smash you in the eyeball with it. You're accusing me of NOT admitting to being wrong in my prediction, by posting that I was also wrong in the first results? HTF do you figure that? You aren't searching for any "truth" or any other propoganda look-at-me-daddy BS. You're trying to drag me through the mud so you can have some Intarwebz drama.
Not exactly. I'm saying that you boned your guesses once, saww the real results and didn't bother to update 'cause it would've went against you. Then you do the same hack job "guesstimation" again and get caught on it and REFUSE TO ADMIT YOU SCREWED UP UNTIL CALLED ON IT. We all make mistakes. Most of us don't go to such great lengths to cover them up. I'm having a hard time believing it was "just a mistake". I believe you lied both times or should have NEVER passed 2nd grade math.
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Free beer will fall from the heavens the day you dare bring either of your driveway queens to an actual event.
Again my cars are for ME to enjoy-- Again you're shunting the subject. I'll take your car and trounce your times on the same autocross. Believe me, I've had the training AND the real life experience on REAL ROADS.
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I was wrong on the rear and gave Matt his money back right away. How is that lying or covering up? Please, go ahead, I'm waiting. I made an honest mistake, I refunded the money (within 24 hours I might add), end of story. Pray tell how that makes me some sor of politition?
I'll just make it simple and quote another person on that:
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The '87 Sport axle was one thing (in which you actually claimed to have gotten under the car and verified it was an 8.8" traction-lock rear, sold it to a board member based on those claims, then had the board member discover, after driving to your place, that it was really a 7.5" open rear). You blamed that on Ford mislabeling the car even though you had previously claimed to have verified with your own eyes that it was an 8.8" stick.
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Funnily enough I was right on the 87 FMS spoiler. Go ahead and ask the guy that bought it. He has an 83-86 one as well and gues what Mac? It's DIFFERENT! OMG!!1!!
That just proves--yet again--you did not follow through....I'm betting it's NOT A FORD PIECE AT ALL
I'll trust a TRUE expert on this:
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Ford Motorsport only listed one spoiler in all of the years it was listed in their catalogs (1987-1990). It was listed as '83-'86 model specific and the part number was M-44210-A621. The same part number on yours.
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Carm - I sold a spoiler that to the best of my knowledge was a 87/88 only piece. I wish BCA would have started all of this BEFORE it sold. It doesn't matter, as we still can't prove one way or another, and even if it is *just* a 83-86 one, as I previously mentioned, "Last one sold on eBay in 2005 for $571 plus $98 shipping (that I saw anyways) and it wasn't NOS" so $500 for the NOS one is still MORE then fair.
Placing the blame on someone else yet again.....Why was it BCA's job to do YOUR research?!!
In all of these instances had you just sat back for a few seconds before diving in you could have come out looking much better. Not admitting to being wrong until after being called on it--with proof no less--and grugingly admitting it only some of the time shows just how much you cover things up.
In cases YOU are wrong you threw up a bunch of excuses and threw around a bunch of blame.
Add me to your list of people to blame the next time you don't follow through. It's one thing you're good at....
Title: Just got back from the race track!
Post by: bhazard on May 15, 2008, 10:48:13 PM
you guys need to go to time out
Title: Just got back from the race track!
Post by: Cougar5.0 on May 15, 2008, 10:53:13 PM
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Title: Just got back from the race track!
Post by: Cougar5.0 on May 15, 2008, 11:42:37 PM
Title: Just got back from the race track!
Post by: V8Demon on May 16, 2008, 12:26:56 AM
I said your car;)
Not mine. You can't even follow through on reading....
And it took Gumby to point them out for you to come clean. You knew the results! The way you spout off your times, IMOYOU KNEW.
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Aftermarket sure went through a lot of trouble to put a Ford part # on it and shove it in a Ford box then.
A number written in marker that looked to be new when everything else was faded. A number listed as NOT what you stated the item was.
Speaking of that:
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I bought this spoiler from a Ford dealer, direct, after seeing ads on eBay some 3-4 years ago. They were clearing out the entire inventory, and they were a major FMS dealer in the 80's/90's
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I bought it in 2005 from a Ford Dealership parts broker. He bought out all E-series part #s from the FMS catalogs, and this was the last one of the spoilers.
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...and I have the shots supplied to me from the inventory guy I bought it off of (Which also might include the box).
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That's what I was told by the Ford dealer selling it (closing their doors, in the midwest).
Contradictions......A dealer or some inventory guy?
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The people who actually know about these cars (including the person who bought it) DO know, and they are who matter. Not some 2-bit keyboard warrior.
This from the guy who can't tell a 7.5 from an 8.8:shakehead
Live in your dreamworld full of lies and deceit. It seems you're happy there. I'm sure the guys & gals at Turboford will agree.
/rant.
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That's not us! I'm FAR too pretty to look like either of those 2 in that pic:hick:
Title: Just got back from the race track!
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on May 16, 2008, 08:21:46 AM
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Oh and "lilangel", you are the most band-wagonest person I've ever seen. I'd laugh at you but you'd probably sock me. Try not to do anything too original, it might cramp your intarweb awesomeness.
LMAO! I think I hit a nerve. (http://www.barbandgreg.com/images/Emoticons/barb.gif)
Title: Just got back from the race track!
Post by: V8Demon on May 16, 2008, 10:58:54 AM
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Unless I had written down everybody else's I wouldn't be able to place myself, now would I?
But yet you did.
I never disputed your times. I disputed your calculations of how well you fared against others.
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Big ole interweb chicken. Run that Cougar, prove it goes 12's. Until then you're the biggest smoke blower here.
Sure, as soon as a track opens up that's somewhat close. The old one closed. Ask Innes. I'm not driving 125 miles one way on a test & tune night to hopefully get one pass. The Mustang@Carlisle. If I drive it like ass oh well. At least I'll admit it!
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God forbid any of the "engine building advice" you ever give is actually used. If one of your suggestions got proved wrong on a track you might melt like the wicked witch of the West!
Off topic. Yet again. If proven wrong I'll admit it. I have before.
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BTW, the 14 people left at TF are too busy running off sponsors and fighting with each other over Lounge rights to even notice I'm gone. It'll be closed or bought out by the end of the year.
whatever.....I guess Nato will go under too, right? One word.....Boport http://natomessageboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=002123
And you know what? I'm done. My point has been made and you refuse to stay on topic. Goodbye:)
Title: Just got back from the race track!
Post by: oldraven on May 16, 2008, 12:46:31 PM
I don't know how you do it, Mike. You attract controversy like moths to a flame. Everybody's got to step back and take a look. It's either because someone likes to BS (I just about dropped my cup of java when I read that your Vic beat out 'most' of the Boxters and Caymans; two of the world's best club sport cars.), or the other people are assuming the mob mentality and have a new favourite (Hey, look, Mike posted. Let's tear him to pieces.). Personally, I think it's less either and more both.
Littleangel, I like you, it's good having you around, but he's not exactly wrong. What have you contributed to this thread, since post #1, other than yelling a 'here here' for Paul and a 'boooooo' for Mike? You're just fanning the flames, and that's not helping anyone.
Title: Just got back from the race track!
Post by: BCA on May 16, 2008, 01:14:02 PM
This thread is going nowhere but down hill and it seems to be gaining a little too much momentum for its own good.
I think everyone has said what they needed to say concerning this subject so let’s just go back to being FTCF enthusiasts OK?