Who would want one of these, anyway? The Barra 4.0L just can't put the power down like a 4.6L can. *rolls eyes over the moon*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQwHgdWu50I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObIjlpYWDig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5ESRZs7mgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsIFeu2HPzw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RpGKP_FsTc&NR=1
I wonder what the Australians think of the 4.0 and the 4.6.
That made me smile oldraven, thanks!
I love that engine. I really wish Ford would sell the Falcon XR6 in NA.
I'd even be happy with a Barra crate engine, if Ford's worried the Falcon would be too expensive, or adding a large I6 turbo wouldn't be conductive to meeting CAFE.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/blog/?p=759 (http://"http://www.thecarconnection.com/blog/?p=759")
Something tells me we won't be seeing any aussie stuff anytime soon.
I saw that article on GMI this morning. That's why I say a crate engine would be nice, since we won't be seeing the Falcon here......... ever.
I imagine they'd get a good laugh at our dog of a 4.0L six. They use the 5.4L DOHC 4v in their rear drivers (which they call the Boss 302, for 302Kw power). It's funny to look through Ford Australia's website and see the names of their sedans. Falcon, Futura, Fairmont, LTD, Fairlane. All are RWD and all are dead nameplates in the US that most of us here would like to see on our lots.
the grass realy is greener over on the other side.
Just to bump this and balance out the negative stuff about to happen on the board.
This looks like the Australian version of Top Gear. The hosts are painful to watch, but check out The Chip. He makes The Stig look civilized. :hick:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=96479407156859879
In case you didn't have the chance to crank this one up at work today, turn it up to 11 now that you're home and watch it again. I just did and I'm thinking about passport options. I guess they don't really get winter in the south. That's a plus. And this frigin car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5ESRZs7mgo
*edit*
And that doesn't sound like a Tractor to me.:burnout:
I hate you stop it, stop it now. God i so want a Falcon xr6 Turbo and an Xr8. I kinda like that Lime on that Xr6.
I thought I'd read that the Aussie six was being replaced by the Duratec V6 engine family?
Anyway, if Ford really does come through with some of the concept versions of the Duratec, such as the Twinforce, we'll all be saying "Aussie what?"
You should look again. It's been the 302 since last year.
(http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/cobra-004.jpg)
(http://www.fpv.com.au/media/36000/banner_boss-302.jpg)
(http://allcarsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/12763.jpg)
(http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/7B8GNFZQ.jpg)
Carmen, I don't know if you'll ever see an 1100horse Duratec V6.
That's the plan. They are going back and forth with whether they are closing the plant or not.
My god finally a new car I would buy:D Now if they would only bring it here by the fall when I'm in the market for a new car.........
not to hijack, but how hard would it be to import an aussie ford?
Not bad, unless you wanted to drive it on public roads. I know in Canada the import laws state a 15 year hold on models that don't have an equivalent version (as in it needs to have the same equipment and parts used in Canada's crash tests) already sold here. So you can import a late model RHD 350Z, but not a late model Skyline GT-R. I'm not sure what the deal is in the US.
There is a Ford engine distributor that is importing the NA version.
dude thats nasty. i prefer it being called the boss290 over boss302. why the name change? so what are the specs on the IL6 turbo version?
i love it when peolpe say shiznit like this. you say it like you could actually afford it. if you could, you wouldnt be driving what your driving. ABM is natorious for this. (no offense guys, im playing). its one of those things that irritates me for some reason.
Not necessarily. I choose to drive a $400 Saturn shiznitbox because I've made my mind up that I'll never make a car payment again (Saturn was chosen because I have plenty of experience working on 'em and they don't rust in visible areas). I am debt-free and intend on staying that way for the rest of my life. Debt aside, even if I won the lotto I cannot think of a single new car I'd rather have than the money it would cost to buy it. New cars just don't float my boat. I'd do some awful damage to my bank account buying classic cars if I hit the lotto, tho...
I also decided to never buy an expensive used car again as price is no guarantee of reliability (as my Volvo taught me). A cheap shiznitbox daily driver frees up a lot of money that would be better spent elsewhere, and if it breaks something big I throw it away and buy another cheap shiznitbox.
Seriously, whenever I see a decent new car (such as the Dodge Magnum) I think to myself "I can't wait 'til those are $500 cars". With Dodge it won't take long :hick:
*EDIT* Oh, and as for the T-Bird, I choose to drive it because I like Thunderbirds. There are certainly easier and cheaper cars to love out there, but I likes me Fox Birds (and cats). There is not a new car out there that gets me going like these cars. Affordability has nothing to do with it.
This was my theory. Then I worked at Ford and took part in the new car frenzy. Now I'm back. I like debt free much better.
33% depreciation in two years is hard to swallow.
I could afford the payments I just couldn't lay down $40,000 cash:hick: . I just don't have a new car right now because nothing RWD out there really interests me. I don't want to drive a cookie cutter Chager, Mustang, BMW, ect rear wheel drive car. That's whay I'm going to the auto ahow this weekend. Hopefully there's
something there that I like.......probably not though.
I have a good paying job. I just refuse to pay alot of $$$ for something that I don't really like. I'd rather save my money. Hence why I bought the 95 T-bird. :hick:
hey, im the same way so i understand that. i refuse to have a car payment and owe nothing on my 3 vehicles. as for being debt free im looking at about 20 years given the mortgage payment.
i also belive that car is closer to 60grand than 40. you must have a darned great job if you can swing the payment on that your mortgage and all the other life throws at you. good god great if you can but i know i make decent money and i have a great job and i know what a struggle it can be to make those ends meet. if i had the quan to buy a car like that i wouldnt have been forcet to sell the bird project when i spent all my extra savings on the stang. id have both and they certainly would be much better than they are now.
i personally would NEVER finance any car for more than 3 years. 40Gs at 72 months 5% is like 650. long time to make that payment. 60Gs your looking at around 970. dont forget insurance. dont forget you have to get approved for that. ive got about an 820 fico and i doubt i could.
i was just pointing out for whatever reason that it annoys me when people throw that around like that. you see it all the time and its annoying. someone claims poverty one week than the very next week a rare 9kmile turbo coupe comes up for sale for 10grand and the same dude is like "if that wasnt so far away id totally buy it" or whatever. we all can dream but shiznit we all need to live in reality too.
oh well sorry i said anything realy. im just being miserable. ive had the killer flu for almost 7 days now. its made me bitchy. i dont realy mean anything by it as to say, i dont mean to attack anyone. thats a shiznitty thing to do.
The thing about dreaming about cars is one day you actually buy the stupid thing *coughthecrownviccough*. I have automotive ADD so it took me a looooong time and a lot of test drives to decide on a car. Ultimately it was the "no payments" thing that spurred me. Shame302's points on that are all spot-on. Even if you can swing a payment, it's a long time and a lot of money. I decided I'd rather have the cash for mods (which I've done quite a bit already) and a future project car (that I am agonizing over what to get).
Oh hell 60K is waaaayyyy too much. 40k is the max I could afford making payments for 5 years. I do agree on not having debt. That's why I usually by old cars (excpet for my 88 T-bird I bought that because I like the car and I would have bought it no matter how much money I had). If i can't find anything I like better than my 95 I'm just going to save my money till someone finally makes something I like. The trick to being able to afford stuff is SAVING MONEY. I don't blow my money willy nilly. Even for the 88 I have a set budget on what I can spend. If I hit the limit that's it no more. There's more important things like utilities and other bills to worry about.
290 and 302 relate to how much power the engine makes. 302Kw=405hp.
From FPV's site for the Typhoon (FPV's version of the XR6 turbo. Like an SVT XR6). Yeah, that says Prodrive; the people who make Subaru's Rally Cars.
The F6 270 Turbo
The F6 270 Turbo. A 4-litre turbo-charged, intercooled, 24-valve double overhead cam six. The highest torque output of any production six ever built in Australia and one of the most powerful in the world. Through partnership with Prodrive and their mastery of turbo technology across F1 and World Rally, the development of our high performance turbo-charged FPV has changed performance cars forever. We created an engine with dramatically improved cooling and induction. The 50% larger (than XR6 Turbo) air-to-air intercooler and dual Ram Air system significantly reduces intake pressure into the turbo's compressor — allowing it to work more efficiently… and effectively.
The result. A fully engineered performance-driven power generator. Armed with double overhead camshafts and 4-valve aluminum cylinder heads, the F6 270 Turbo produces its maximum power of 270kW (362hp) at 5250 rpm. However, the real story is torque. All 550Nm (406lb/ft) is on tap from just 2000 rpm and remaining constant all the way through to 4250 rpm.
At time of launch, the highest torque output of any production engine ever built in Australia. Even more staggering is the engine's ability to produce 80% of its maximum torque at 1500 rpm and over 98% at 1750 rpm. Total Performance meets the turbo.I just noticed that Australia spells Aluminium wrong too.
okay then thats 750 month. no tax and no insurance. go for it high roller. thats cool if you live at home with mom.
Boss 290 was a 4.6. Basically an 03-04 Cobra motor. The new 5.4 is an N/a version with 400+ hp.........Where the hell was this motor 3 years ago??!!! GTO/Vette killer right there!
huh. thought the boss 290 was an aussi aluminum 5.4 dohc engine. bud of mine has the boss 290 intake on his 5.4 dohc. i dunno. i dont know jack shiznit about the aussi market.
The Australian Boss motors are all N/A 5.4L DOHC. I'm not sure Ford AU has ever used the 4.6L. I think they have a hardon for the 4.0L I6 and the 5.4L.
The closet comparable Ford NA motor has been the 2000 Cobra R powerplant. However, it didn't have variable intake/exhaust valve timing and other tech goodies.
The 260kW version was produced from 2002-2005 [349hp@5250rpm 369ft-lb@4250rpm]
The 290kW version was produced from 2006-2007 [389hp@5500rpm 384ft-lb@4500rpm]
The 302kW version is new for '08. [405hp@6000rpm 398ft-lb@4750rpm]
2000 Cobra R made 385hp@6250rpm 385ft-lb@4250rpm
Crazy thing is the Boss shortblocks and head are built in Ontario and shipped to AU. :wtf:
I wouldn't call the Boss a GTO/Vette killer unless you're referring to the LS1. At least the 302kW is equal to the LS6 and LS2...the only other Fords to achieve that are/were the GT500 and the GT.
Coulda swore it was a 4.6.....Eh Aint the first time I was wrong....I'll try and make it the last.....Either way That's the kind of power that Ford should have thrown back at GM.
What's the difference between the Aussie 5.4 and the 5.4 in the American trucks?
That's not true at all. Have you ever been to a military base man? I have seen Colonels driving around in POS cars even a chief that I know really well. They could easily afford that car and decide to drive older cars. How can you judge how much money someone makes by what car they drive?? Just wondering.
Looks like I was incorrect on some points.
The wikipedia page says the short block and heads are assembled in Ontario, which cannot be true since Ford AU says that they source the pistons locally and modify the connecting rods. Ford AU also says the heads are modified Cobra R castings and that the intakes are locally sourced.
The Boss 5.4s don't have VCT (VVT, or whatever you'd like to call it), but the 4.0 and the Barra (SOHC) 5.4s do. I don't know about the other stuff (crank, cam, etc).
If I told you guys how much my 2 car payments are tight now, most of you would pass out....Keep in mind I also make a mortgage payment 30 miles from Ground Zero on a house bought after 9/11 (prices skyrocketed).
Doubt it....Factor in a spouse, kids, mortgage (or savings fund for a house upon separation from the military). Could they afford it? Yeah. Easily?! Hmm...again. doubt it.
Exactly....Now Imagine that motor in a base Mustang GT and a forced induction variant in an upscale version. A level playing field....
The 300 HP variant 3V 4.6 in a stang was faster through the 1320 in multiple tests than a 350 HP Pontaic GTO. Add 95 HP 75 TQ. 12's from the factory could have been done with a full warantee and N/A for under $30K if the foresight had been in place.
I digress. Why buy new? Convenience comes to mind. The wife wouldn't be too happy if some unforeseen event occurs on a family trip in the older car after she's been nagging you for a new car for 6 months. With a warantee comes piece of mind for many as well. Problem is you have to be a squeaky wheel to get the most out of it nowadays....
For me the S-197 Mustang was the first V8 powered RWD American car since 1993 that had
[COLOR="Red"]ANY[/COLOR][/B] soul whatsoever and was affordable enough to where I wouldn't feel bad cracking into it and doing performance modifications.
I actually had a conversation with a guy last week who was complaining about how the average GT500 owner doesn't do enough "modding" to their cars. Intake, tune, and pulley swap. Where were the Kenne Bell blower swaps he asked.... For the base price those cars are, the fact that you can't get one without a lot of options, and the dealer markup in this part of the US (they still command 20K over sticker), I wouldn't do much to it either...
I'm single and live in my own house with no kids or wife to support. I have it easier than someone with a family, kids, and school bills to worry about.
Yes but you also look very proud in those pictures with your girlfriend. ;) You will be there someday ;) As will I. :)
meh. your right. its wrong to make such a generalization. fact of the mater is i was just trying to make a point. most of the time people are just talking shiznit. if he could afford it cool. i know way too many people in debt way over the eyeballs just to make it look like they are well off or even just keeping up with the joneses.
on another note. that turbo L6 is sweet but any 03-04 cobra engine setup with say a hellion turbo kit would trump that. i understand how cool it is to hate the top dog though. dont be hatin.
No one's hating. We're just showing that alternatives can be just as good. For that hellion turbo kitted 4.6, there are kits for the Barra 245T as well. Remember that dyno video with an 1100horse setup?
And by the looks of things it's not the 4.6 that is the top dog in the Ford house, it's the Boss 302 spec 5.4.
As for your other statement, I agree. Way too many people pretending to be a baller. That's why you'll never hear me talk about what big plans I have for the TC. I used to share that stuff when I first got the car, but reality set in and now the only time I talk up my car is when I've actually done something to it.... which is rare. With pockets like mine, I have dreams, not plans. Maybe someday.
That's called growing wiser;)
the boss 302 may be decent but its NA. likely it has the same drawbacks as al lthe NA modulars. powder rods and pistons. if thats trur the termie engine still wins. they can put down 1200 hp with either hellions kit or HPs. doesnt realy matter anyway. ill never get to play anywhere near that ballpark.
anyway. i personally would LOVE one of those turbo L6 engines in an 87-88 tbird body. that with a 6 speed would be frickin sick. i could only imagine what it would cost to sneek one over.
And that would be the dream I was referring to. ;)
Here I thought I was only growing older and less interesting. :hick:
I would really like to go the OHC 4.0 turbo route myself, but I just can't justify that much $$$. It might be cheaper to just MOVE to Australia :p
I chose to drive shiznitboxes most of my life as I had a bigger picture in mind... RETIRE EARLY!!!
Usually I bought em and drove them into the ground, or resold it in a few months and made money to buy the next S-Box...
Only financed two vehicles in my life(41 years driving) and one was the Fairlane Cobra... Good move there... The other was as a '75 Granada the ex-wife, got... Another good move... :D
From cruising the Aussie forums, the natives aren't happy with the powdered rods/pistons that come in the Boss motors either.
You can see from the spec dyno sheet that adding another 1000-1500 rpm to the redline would increase the area under the curve.
(http://www.fpv.com.au/media/36029/graph.jpg)
Forged rods/pistons could presumably increase the redline.
An argument
for the sintered pieces is cost. A DOHC 5.4L with powdered parts will cost less than a 4.6L variant with a 100% forged rotating assembly and a M112 (with an intercooler) slapped on top.
hahaha
do you know what the BAS for a Colonel is!? That's money just for the mortgage. Then you get paid even more for dependents. YES Easily! I have seen Colonels driving around in brand new
http://www.caradisiac.com/media/images/mini_site/mercedes_slk.jpg
Those are $60,000 cars. YES they can afford it easy. Trust me.
Yes I do. If you remember I too did my time in the service, youngin' ;) BAS = Officers $202.76/month... You're thinking of BAH, which varies upon what part of the country you are in.....Albequerque New Mexico is the standard middle ground for determining BAH. The 3 highest are:
1. Long Island, NY
2. Manhattan
3. Beverly Hills
I live on Long Island. I know a thing or two about high cost of living.
Using an O-6 (Colonel) with 20 years service, no spouse income (to inflate the number) and 3 dependents yields
$8,180.10 $98,161.20
BAS $192.74 $2,312.88
BAH + $3,121.00 + $37,452.00
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Cash Total $11,493.84 $137,926.08
Tax Advantage + $1,110.76 + $13,329.12
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Regular Military Compensation $12,604.60 $151,255.20
Using NYC was 143K.
Seen what mortgage payments are around the U.S lately? Plus home insurance, water, heat, electric, OH WAIT!! Sally needs braces! Oh , the hot water heater took a dump...we need a new one! I never said he couldn't aford it. He just may not have a whole lot of extra coin at the end of the month to throw into t-bills or an annuity fund. If you can swing the payment and play investment boy at the same time
THAT is affording it easily.
BTW, last time I checked full BAH was only authorized to active duty members who live off base (this includes reserve/guard members who are activated for deployments)
http://www.defenselink.mil/militarypay/pay/bah/02_types.html
Just for giggles I did the same criteria for your area I got this:
Regular Military Compensation Calculator
Your Results
Monthly Annual
Basic Pay $8,180.10 $98,161.20
BAS $192.74 $2,312.88
BAH + $1,565.00 + $18,780.00
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Cash Total $9,937.84 $119,254.08
Tax Advantage + $585.91 + $7,030.92
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Regular Military Compensation $10,523.75 $126,285.00
20 + college makes him/her
YOUNGEST 43 if the graduated HS @ 17. I'm 31. I beat that figure the past 2 years. As I said NOT easily....unless he's been off base forever and bought a house 15 years ago for peanuts.
And I'm not bragging....I'm trying to show just how difficult it can be. Take it from somone who knows.
I priced houses in your are similar to mine as well. Very similar in price.....
thats another thing to think about early. its part of the reason im in the trade im in. retirement. so far my pension plan and anuity plan are great. im realy glad i have those otherwise id probably be sunk come time to retire. dont count on the government too be there for you come time to retire. i know how far it may seem away but being single, no kids and whatever the future is abstract. work a few years get hooked up and have a kid. that put it right into perspective for me. 15 years into the future would normally seem like a long ass time. well, my 4 year old will be in freaking college and my 2 year old will be just about done with highschool. i just had my 10th year highschool reunion. the last 10 years absolutely flew by. i remember how long high school alone felt too pass by nevermind grammar school. i remember how long a summer used to last. now it seems like 4th of july hits and the summers over, get the snowshovels ready. man it goes by fast.