General => Lounge => Topic started by: DVP on May 14, 2007, 09:42:23 PM
Title: Our World Today.
Post by: DVP on May 14, 2007, 09:42:23 PM
so i had 7.5 days of school left as of today, well i got pulled out of my 1st hour an into the senior office(im a junior?!?!). long story short i wrote a paper for my English class about how certain rules are overlooked for some kids but not for others. This kid wants to make a point of this and does little thing to repeat what was done to him. then he trys to kill me, we fight, both arrested, im released on self-defence. he goes to jail, then dies from an artery rupturing in his skull. SO, now they thing im a threat to school. Cool i understand but i asked when i turned it in if i needed to write a paper to say how this was a FICTIONAL story as the assignment said it was to be. My teacher said no. well now i have 10 days and a hearing, they want me to go see their shrink. The story said how the administators were not doing their job on looking for things that happen everyday that are threats, guess i was wrong. to top it off i got a 96% on the paper so i would say it was a good paper. Oh and this is my 1000th post, .
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Post by: turb0coupe88 on May 14, 2007, 09:49:14 PM
Im so lost.
? I wish I understood hick... :hick:
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Post by: daboss351 on May 14, 2007, 09:51:09 PM
he wrote a paper about a fight and someone dieing, and now they think hes a nutcase
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Post by: DVP on May 14, 2007, 09:57:03 PM
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Im so lost.
? I wish I understood hick... :hick:
:flip: an where are you from?
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Post by: 84 Fila on May 14, 2007, 10:01:28 PM
I understood it man. Sucks but hey, a 96% is still good
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Post by: turb0coupe88 on May 14, 2007, 10:05:22 PM
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:flip: an where are you from?
lmao, jawja. I made a 73% on my 11th grade research paper... :punchballs:
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Post by: DVP on May 14, 2007, 10:11:20 PM
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lmao, jawja. I made a 73% on my 11th grade research paper... :punchballs:
see what kills me though is he said write a short story, that i did. i understand their concern but . 10 days at the end of the year shiznit no idk if im going to get all my credits
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Post by: cougrrr302 on May 14, 2007, 11:21:52 PM
So you wrote the story about the kid getting in a fight? And they think your nuts for it? Sounds like my old school. ****in wierdos.
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Post by: tireshredder on May 14, 2007, 11:42:12 PM
That is just plan stupid. IT'S A STORY! Creative writing is being killed by the people who are trying to save it.
BTW, you seemed all there when I met you.:D
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on May 15, 2007, 06:23:27 AM
I think the problem is that there is now a "No Tolerance" policy in just about every school. They look at the context of the story and see what can be perceived as a threat to the school. After all of the school shootings in the past few years, they pretty much have to follow up on anything that looks like a threat. They look at it as, You "say" it was fiction, how can they be sure? There have been other kids who wrote supposed fiction then turned around and killed people in a similar way as described in their story. They can't take those kind of chances any more.
Did you use the name of a kid that goes to your school? If so, that is probably why they saw it as more of a threat than a story.
Sorry this happened to you man, but the way things are now, they have to be very careful.
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Post by: *MAYHEM* on May 15, 2007, 08:57:56 AM
I write stories about shag from time to time. Does that make me a pervert?
Ummm....
Ok, don't answer that.
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on May 15, 2007, 09:01:52 AM
Well, it might could.... who are you having shag with? ;)
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Post by: Chuck W on May 15, 2007, 09:31:28 AM
With the way you write...how did you get a 96% on a paper? :dunce:
Stop playing "poor pitiful me". Think about it from their point of view. They HAVE to be serious about this stuff, and you should know better. If you were my kid you wouldn't be writing a paper like that to turn in for a school project that's for sure. All of those of you who think this is "ok" , or the facilty/administrators are over-reacting are obviously younger.
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Post by: bhazard on May 15, 2007, 09:54:10 AM
I used to draw army tanks and fighter jets and such things back in middle school. They made me stop and called my mom and told her that its possible I could be a dangerous person. This was like 8 years ago.
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Post by: cougrrr302 on May 15, 2007, 01:28:11 PM
We used to draw war scenes in Junior High. People shooting each other a bombs and planes. There was a bunch of us who would do that during Study Hall. Never once got questioned about it. I always go in trouble for wierd stuff. Like downloading music. Never got caught skipping either.
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Post by: yellow86coogr on May 15, 2007, 01:37:07 PM
I'm not younger. They over reacted.
Anyway, nice job on the paper w/96%. I loved my creative writing class. You'll be alright man, it's just high school, and YES, it gets worse, after high school. People don't generally mature with age. They just get better at what they were doing when they were kids.
Best thing you can do is..........don't over react to their over reaction.
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Post by: slamedcat on May 15, 2007, 02:09:45 PM
Don't even get me started on the school systems. I send my kids to a school where they are the minority. Well the others in the school like to pick on him becasue of this. The faculty thinks it wrong but the Prinl won't do anything about it so I took it to a higher athority and same thing. Nothing. So I jumped in line and went straight to the top and got noticed by the entire city and then some.
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Social dysfunction hurts schools
Saturday, March 17, 2007
Lately all the news we have heard about District 150 is where to build a new school or about staff pay, both of which are important to the welfare of our children. However, this is a way of avoiding the real issues. No matter how much you pay teachers, they will start leaving. No matter where you build a new school, the same problems will exist. Our schools will still fail if we don't change the present course they are on. It is time that we address the violence issues that are tearing our schools apart. We live in an environment where delinquents are raising children, where parents don't teach their children respect at home. This puts a heavy burden on our schools. They need to teach children social skills. We have special classes for children with learning and behavioral disabilities, so why don't we have them for children with social disabilities?
I have three children who attend Peoria's Glen Oak Primary School. There has not been a day that I felt I was sending my boys into the safe, respectful environment promised by the school. The things that my children have been exposed to in this school are outrageous.
Students make threats, hit, kick, and cuss not only other students, but teachers as well. What is done? Nothing. The students are given a lecture and sent back to the classroom. Students are out of control because they know they will not be held accountable for their actions. They are not required to show the teacher or other students any respect. We have a no-bullying policy in our schools. However, a policy is only good if it is upheld. In our school it is not.
I am asking that someone take a stand and say "Not in our schools! The violence comes to an end here and now." Our school has an open-door policy. Someone should spend a day in my sons' classrooms. Visit the gym, the cafeteria, art, library and computer classes. Take a look at the way the school allows the children to treat each other and their teachers. Talk with the teachers.
I know there are other students who are being hurt and other parents who feel the same as I do. These children are our future, and we are failing them.
Now I have the school sytems attention. It was printed in the local paper. Well they now want to try and fix all the problmes now that they are out of hand and can't do anything about it. but the up side is my kids can go to what ever school they want in the district now because this was brough to their attention and they want me to keep silent.
They overreact to small stuff and completely over look the real problem.
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Post by: DVP on May 15, 2007, 02:59:08 PM
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I think the problem is that there is now a "No Tolerance" policy in just about every school. They look at the context of the story and see what can be perceived as a threat to the school. After all of the school shootings in the past few years, they pretty much have to follow up on anything that looks like a threat. They look at it as, You "say" it was fiction, how can they be sure? There have been other kids who wrote supposed fiction then turned around and killed people in a similar way as described in their story. They can't take those kind of chances any more.
Did you use the name of a kid that goes to your school? If so, that is probably why they saw it as more of a threat than a story.
Sorry this happened to you man, but the way things are now, they have to be very careful.
this is semi what the story covered, how certain things get overlooked, but it didnt happen this time.
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With the way you write...how did you get a 96% on a paper? :dunce:
Stop playing "poor pitiful me". Think about it from their point of view. They HAVE to be serious about this stuff, and you should know better. If you were my kid you wouldn't be writing a paper like that to turn in for a school project that's for sure. All of those of you who think this is "ok" , or the facilty/administrators are over-reacting are obviously younger.
Chuck.... you are such an asshole, i think that is why i like you. it wasnt a pitty post it was informing you OLD ppl what it is like now, and since it was an event that occured in my life i shared it with you guys. And its called Spell Check.
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Don't even get me started on the school systems. I send my kids to a school where they are the minority. Well the others in the school like to pick on him becasue of this. The faculty thinks it wrong but the Prinl won't do anything about it so I took it to a higher athority and same thing. Nothing. So I jumped in line and went straight to the top and got noticed by the entire city and then some.
Now I have the school sytems attention. It was printed in the local paper. Well they now want to try and fix all the problmes now that they are out of hand and can't do anything about it. but the up side is my kids can go to what ever school they want in the district now because this was brough to their attention and they want me to keep silent.
They overreact to small stuff and completely over look the real problem.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT! This was the reason i wrote it. I see kids get treated like everyday, well oneday they are going to overload with anger if nothing is done beforehand. In a sence they were doing what i said they weren't in the story by suspending me.
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Post by: Chuck W on May 15, 2007, 03:27:50 PM
It's about being responsible for your actions, whether you are in the right or in the wrong. Without some sort of dissertation about why you were writing what you wrote, it's only going to come across as one way...you're an unstable nutcase and they have to think about the possible consequences to the school/students/facilty. If you can discuss it like a sane person as to why you wrote what you did and understand their point of view while perhaps even apologizing that your paper was misinterpreted, then things should be fine.
Most kids these days have no respect for anything or any sort of personal responsibility. I've dealt with kids in public school situations, and the primary problem? The parents. There other issues like lack of funding, teachers and additional programs, but the problem starts at the home.
As far as me being an asshole...perhaps.
One more thing...off topic...shrink that friggen sig down....WAAAAYYYY too big.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on May 15, 2007, 03:55:06 PM
Ya gotta remember, authorities have a balancing act that's pretty tough - they have to keep an eye out for potential problems before they become VA Tech massacres. It's better to question somebody before than to say "We should have prevented it" afterwards...
Back in Junior High I drew the Motorhead logo on my school desk in full shaded relief. I ended up in the guidance counselor's office because they thought I was satanic. I had to bring the record cover (yes, it was a record, I'm old) to school to show them I didn't dream up that nasty image.
Not long later I was in the office again for writing the lyrics to Alice Cooper's "I love the Dead" on the back of a math test:
"I love the dead before they're cold. Their bluing flesh for me to hold. Cadaver eyes, upon me see... NOTHING.
I love the dead before they rise. No farewells, no goodbyes! I never even knew your now rotting face! While friends and lovers mourn your silly grave... ...I've got other uses for you, darling!"
The Motorhead logo that started the silliness:
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Post by: vinnietbird on May 15, 2007, 04:12:00 PM
You may be surprised at what us "old" people really do know and understand.It generally the younger generation that doesn't understand.We've got a LOT of experience.I know how it was (I graduated in '85),I have teens,and know how it is.
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Post by: kingcars on May 15, 2007, 04:21:48 PM
I'm on the fence with this one. Psychos like the Virigina Tech shooter are true weirdos. The VA guy spent time in a psyc ward and stuff. They should at least check your background for any "issues" before jumping to conclusions.
On the other hand, I can understand their concern. Kids by now should know not to write stuff like that and turn it in for a grade because thats what administrators are on the look out for. That paper raised a red flag for a reason.
For my 11th grade research paper, I did it on upgrading the 5.0L V8 (for obvious reasons haha). My teacher at the time was the one notorious for picking apart papers left and right, so when he gave me a 95 and told me I should submit it to a magazine, I was quite thrilled :D .
@Chuck - Your statement about lack of parenting is right on the money. Before my parents had my sis and I, they decided that one of them (who ended up to be mom) needs to stay home and raise us. Most parents either let the TV raise their kids, or a daycare. Maybe both. Also, they adopt either a "My child does nothing wrong" policy, or a "My child will never see the light of day! Muahaha!" policy. Rarely do I see parents finding a good medium between giving you kids freedom, making them EARN that freedom, and showing them right from wrong and responsability. I never would've been allowed to do all the stuff to my Tbird if I didnt get good grades in school and acted like an adult (nor would I have gotten it in the first place). That's what is lacking in today's society.
Also, as far as kids getting picked on, that was me. I got picked on from about 3rd grade till 10th grade when I finally stood up for myself and got into a fight. My mom wanted me to ignore them, which I did until the fight. Funny enough, thats when it ended. Even though my parents and I talked to all the principles and everything, nothing was ever done. I had to fight back myself. Luckily, due to my well behaved, good grade history, I wasn't punished for self defence. The other kid was suspended for the rest of the year. Owned.
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Post by: Beau on May 15, 2007, 04:42:24 PM
The way I see it, it's a 2-sided problem. Parents just aren't raising children the way they used to. Without going all political over it, how many school shootings occurred in the 70's..80's..???? I'll bet a set of busted 3.8 rods that there wasn't nearly as many as the last 10 years or so..
These kids with little or no parental control play video games, then emulate in person the violence they think is "normal"...yet, parents blame schools...or anything else..it's a blameless society.
On the other hand, schools are here to provide a (mostly) free education, and usually have neither the time nor resources to also wipe kids' asses that the parent(s) can't or won't do. So I agree with both sides of the coin. I wish I had an answer, though...
As far as assholes go...well...I've seen a lot of THAT lately...
Lot of spelling puppies's these days, jeeze..WTF is this, Advanced English? LOL Even I sometimes mispel words, but c'mon, sometimes the shiznit-slingin' gets to be too much. :flame:
that's MY .02 cents' worth...do as y'all like.
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Post by: DVP on May 15, 2007, 04:43:18 PM
i discused it in a sane matter but by the time they got to me they had blown it up so big that it wasnt reversible. I WROTE THE PAPER ABOUT THIS HAPPENING! it was about the things overlooked, i wanted to voice my opinion onwhat i see being done to kids and what i dont see the principles and teacher doing to help this situation. i will send it to any one that would like to read it. An Chuck i do need to make my sig smaller, an the old ppl coment was just to offset the young ppl comment. Plus after more ppl have read it my grammer is hoorible in the paper as well so how i got a 96? Not sure.
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Post by: Jim_Miller on May 15, 2007, 04:54:21 PM
Schools are over reacting these days. They are required to due to there “Zero Tolerance” policy. “Zero Tolerance” means just that ZERO. If you have possession of a drug you will be expelled. If you threaten Violence you will be expelled.
One of my son’s got expelled for three days in about the 10th grade (7-8 years ago) for having one prescription pill (his prescription) that he was suppose to take three times a day at meal time. We gave one to him in the morning to take with his lunch. He forgot to take it with his lunch so went and asked his teacher if he could be excused to the hallway for water to take it after lunch. She had him escorted to the Office and we were called in from work to take him home.
Apparently the proper way to handle that would have been for us to take the prescription into the school nurse in the AM and she would give him the pill at lunch. We didn’t know, he was a responsible 16 year old, fully capable of taking his own medication. “ZERO Tolerance”
Again my Daughter, about the same age, was given a pill from a guy at lunch that was offering them all over school. She immediately took it to security and pointed out the guy that had given it to her and reported him for giving them out all over. She was expelled for 3 days. The story of “her reporting it” was corroborated by the security guard himself, “Yes she did bring the pill to me. I was not aware of anything and wouldn’t have been had Brandy not brought me that pill” were I believe his exact words. “ZERO Tolerance” she WAS in possession of a prescription drug.
The question is WHY? Where does this need for “Zero Tolerance” come from? Obviously it’s there effort to try to control the drugs and violence in the schools. But I don’t feel its working.
Where does the Drugs and violence come from? What is the source? I believe Chuck was close but not ON.. Chuck suggest
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The parents
I believe it’s further back than that and the Lack OF parents. Look back to the 50’s and 60’s when schools were safe, what is the difference between then and now in the family unit? [/FONT] One income households! This meant one Parent at home all the time to raise the kids, teach them right from wrong, Available to attend school if needed as Slamedcat suggest
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I am asking that someone take a stand and say "Not in our schools! The violence comes to an end here and now." Our school has an open-door policy. Someone should spend a day in my sons' classrooms. Visit the gym, the cafeteria, art, library and computer classes. Take a look at the way the school allows the children to treat each other and their teachers. Talk with the teachers.
In this day and age of two income families there is no parent at home to manage the kids, it is left up to the schools. And the population stays blind to the true cause , the lack of parent’s, caused by the greed of corporate not allowing wages to keep up with cost of living (but stock holders are loving it!!) Families needed to go too "two income families" in order make ends meet, thus leaving unattended children run rampant and schools with no power expected to deal with them. [/FONT] This change has been hidden by the illusion that the American people are better off than they were in the 50’s 60’s. They are finically because they are neglecting there children to be better off. So we have the situation in this thread, we have mass drugs And murders in our schools, ARE the American people better off?
“Zero Tolerance” there only hope.
Sorry about your predicament Cougar86 but there hands are tied they have to try something.
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Post by: Jim_Miller on May 15, 2007, 05:08:07 PM
BOY... I sure am opinionated about the matter! Its because of a few reasons. I went to school in the late 60’s and 70’s. I was a member of a one income family. My mother on at least one occasion (and would of more if needed) sat right behind me in class prepared to box my ears if I mouthed off, (obviously because I already HAD on at least one occasion) and was in constant contact with my teachers. Drugs, Guns, Disrespecting teacher or any “elder” would have gotten me “wait till your father get’s home!” When I started building my own family I wanted to be a single income family and found I just couldn’t. Was in a one bedroom shack of a house with 2 kids and could hardly keep the car running and food on the table. When asking how Others I worked with made it.. They were ALL two income families.
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Post by: kingcars on May 15, 2007, 05:26:09 PM
My family was a 1 income family throughout my whole childhood (1988-2006). We arent rich by any means either. The main reason we moved down here to NC, however, was because the price of living in NY was getting to be too high (and this was 16 years ago). Dad says he sometimes wants to go back, but realizes we wouldnt be able to have the lifestyle we have now if we were still there.
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Post by: Chuck W on May 15, 2007, 05:32:11 PM
The zero tolerance also stems from the fact that the schools can't do ANYTHING to discipline children at school. The same parents who don't mind their kids sure as hell don't want anyone else to. So what are the schools to do? Ship them home.
I grew up in the days of corporal punishment in schools, and honestly I think it should be reinstated. If my kid is being an ass at school, by all means deal with them there, or let me know about it and I'll deal with them when they get home.
It does all come back to the parents to raise their kids, whether or not it's a societal problem is beside the point. Take the responsibility for them and teach them and spend the time with them.
Oh and cougar 86_89...since I'm old enough to be your father....I would guess I quakify as "old" and you "young"
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Post by: Dogcharmer on May 15, 2007, 05:55:15 PM
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I WROTE THE PAPER ABOUT THIS HAPPENING!
Maybe they're just trying to teach you the meaning of irony... Heheh...
Yes, school admin sucks. They have all the power in the world and it goes straight to thier heads. Yesterday my son was ambushed by the prinls going into school, accused of being a pot smoker and then searched with a drug dog. Of course they never notified me.
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I grew up in the days of corporal punishment in schools, and honestly I think it should be reinstated. If my kid is being an ass at school, by all means deal with them there, or let me know about it and I'll deal with them when they get home.
I totally agree. The threat of an ass whoopin by a paddle with holes drilled in it or a whistle strap in gym class did wonders to keep everyone in line! Too bad pansy ass parents with lawyers had to screw things up.
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Post by: DVP on May 15, 2007, 08:14:40 PM
Quote from: Chuck W;147444
I grew up in the days of corporal punishment in schools, and honestly I think it should be reinstated. If my kid is being an ass at school, by all means deal with them there, or let me know about it and I'll deal with them when they get home.
Oh and cougar 86_89...since I'm old enough to be your father....I would guess I quakify as "old" and you "young"
yeah i was not saying old was bad just saying your age doesnt always effect your views.
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I totally agree. The threat of an ass whoopin by a paddle with holes drilled in it or a whistle strap in gym class did wonders to keep everyone in line! Too bad pansy ass parents with lawyers had to screw things up.
so now that things are on the table. this is how i felt, i wanted to write about waht i saw going on. and the Zero tolerance that was not always Zero. these were all the things i was trying to say. i too believe the parents. And if the parents are not raising their childern right, causing them to act bad in school, then why do they think they will deal with them when they are sent home from school. If schools were like they use to be then alot less thing would happen as they do today. I agree with almost every point that everyone has made, but now try and reason with a close minded principle that you just said was not doing their job in your paper. isnt so easy, then she tried to tell me what the story was about, and what it meant. All this, what everyone is saying is what i wanted to say in the paper, and where the idea came from. it was titled "Two Sides to Every Rule", it was apparent to me that there were things that needed to be changed in our school, an this is how i saw the things that go wrong every day. sorry if this makes no sense but there are so manythings that i am trying to say about this and i cant get them out right, well organized enough to make sense.
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Post by: crystal on May 15, 2007, 09:03:48 PM
Schools are uh... difficult
I graduated in 01 and was in High school during columbine and all those other shootings. Anyway, somebody thought it would be cute to call in a bomb threat for some day at school. I figured it was all a load of b/s and went to school that day. Well, being the resident freak at school (wore all black, had whatever color hair it was at the time, played bass, listened to "evil" music, you get the picture me in HS (http://"http://ferdbird.com/me/senior/seniorbass2.jpg")) Anyway, because of how I looked and since I wasn't afraid to go to class, I was accused of calling it in. I was an honors student, never got in trouble, was pretty much just there and it was all my fault.
To top that any creative writing project I did went to the guidance office. And my favorite one...
So I get home from school and my mom is freaking out screaming at me basically going WTF is your problem and I'm just sitting there going "huh!?" Turns out someone at school told guidance I was going to kill myself and they called my mom without ever talking to me. Well I walked in to their office the next day and ripped them a new one.
The world is way too PC nowadays and I can't take it anymore!
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Post by: nirvanagod on May 15, 2007, 11:24:04 PM
No one wants to take responsibility for their own actions. They just want to pass the buck onto someone else, be it the school district/employees, society, drugs (read: ritalin for all these kids who allegedly have ADHD), or the guberment. It's probably about time for a major Darwin-ism event to happen to help thin the herd.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on May 15, 2007, 11:34:18 PM
Since I was born my mom has been home rasing me and my brother. My dad works and we have a single income. It's kind of tough in a major metropolitan area like Chicago but we manage ok. Sure we may not have everything a two income family has but at least me and my brother aren't irresponsible ass holes like most kids. We were able to go to private schools (ie Catholic) so I can't comment on the situation at public schools.
Corporal punishment does have it's merrits but it's considered *wrong* today. I will say that nothing stopped me from doing something again better that a slap:hick: .
I work in a public library and most of the kids I see are irresponsible ass holes. They have no respect for anybody and think they can do what ever they want. There are times when i wish I could slap some sense into those kids.
Oh and Thunder Chicken Motorhead rocks :headbang:
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on May 16, 2007, 12:17:39 PM
Hey Coug86-89, maybe what you should do it send it in to your local newspaper, and explain why you wrote it and what has come of it since. Ask them to print it in the paper, with the explanation and the reaction to it, which also proves your point in the story. I bet, if they print it, the reaction you got will be changed. Also explain how the principle would not listen to you about why you wrote it.
You know the saying, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease"....
Now, as far as the parents being the problem with kids now days, I agree 98%. You see, it's basically impossible to use corporal punishment on your kids today. You might hurt their little egos, or you might make them think they did something wrong. You can't really spank your kids anymore because if they go to school and tell anyone they got an ass whoopin, you get CPS called in and get in trouble. We went through this several years ago. Hunter was about 7 and he was very mouthy. I was working as well as Roger at the time. I was at work this particular time, and Roger stopped to get the boys from my sister's on his way home from work. He was exhausted because he had put in about 14 hours that day. Hunter decided he wanted to scream at Cody for something as they were getting in our truck. Roger told him not to do it again. Hunter looked right at Roger and screamed. Roger was going to slap his mouth, but Hunter turned his head and Roger caught him more at the temple area. Next day, CPS was called in. :shakehead They came out to our house to check things out. We told the truth about what happened. The kids both told the truth about what happened. They wanted to see Hunter, so we brought him out, and they had to ask us where he washiznit, as there was no mark, like the school reported. (School said it was bruised). Roger ended up getting a write up in NY state for smacking him, but there was nothing more done. So, it was all blown out of proportion.
A couple years alter the principle of the same school grabbed Hunter's arms, and left bruises. (Hunter was quite a spitfire) I called the Super Intendant about it, and had pictures. I didn't want the principle fired or anything, I just wanted them to know he left marks. Principle was reprimanded, and apologized to us. Nothing more was done, no CPS or anything like that. Two very different reactions to a very similar situation.
I am now a stay at home mom. My kids don't generally get in trouble. However, they know if they do get in trouble, they'll pay the consequences, if they did it. If they didn't do it, I'll go to bat for them. Just a couple weeks ago, Hunter got in trouble in town for something. It was something stupid, but he could have gotten the police called and he could have had to go to court over it. Luckily, the person in charge of the situation didn't call the police, they decided to let us handle it, as they know what kind of parents we are. They came to us, told us what happened and we handled it. Hunter lost privlages for quite a while, at least until the end of school. He also had to go back and apologize for what he did, and make restitution for it. We don't let our kids get away with . But, we also give them some freedom, as long as they can handle it. When they prove they can't handle it, we take it away. Not too many parents are like that anymore.
Title: Our World Today.
Post by: JeremyB on May 16, 2007, 12:46:35 PM
Quote from: cougar86_89;147425
Plus after more ppl have read it my grammer is hoorible in the paper as well so how i got a 96? Not sure.
How does a paper with hoorible grammer get a 96? Yah for public schools. :rolleyes: [I went to Catholic schools from K-12, so I enjoy throwing rocks at the public school system ;)]
However, I sympathize with your plight - to a point. Is it poor that a paper such as yours, written by a student with no prior violent/mentally unstable background (I assume this is true), gets such attention and reaction - quite so. On the other hand, one would have to be either quit dense or real buddy-buddy with the administration to try and write a paper with a plot such as yours. There have been several instances where a school paper with a violent plot has resulted in the author being suspended or charged with a criminal offense.
Title: Our World Today.
Post by: DVP on May 16, 2007, 12:50:46 PM
it is getting passed out thought school, no one really see the treat in it since there is no direct threat made. Now since there were other threat made, written on bathroom walls, security is heightened and you can only come in 3 or so doors, cant bring Back packs, or duffle bags, they are taking our parking passes as we pull on to campus( make no sense to me since now the will not be able to tell if a car is suppose to be there or not). My friend, my friends friend and people i dont even know are supporting me, after they have read the story and relized how much B.S. 10 days an a gearing is. Tomorrow people are wearing shirts that say -Bring Dillon Back- on the front and -"Two Sides to Every Rule"- on the back which is the name of my story. I dont know what to do. i am to the point i am worried about how bad tey are going to mess with my future, all for bringing things they dont see to thier attention. Lets say there is a kid that flips out one day, and he doesnt kill himself, he is arrested and questioned on why he did it, and it is all the reasons that are in my paper. Then what. All that proves is that i was right and they screwed me because i wanted to get help to these kids.
And for corporal punishment like it was said above, parents cant even physically repremand thier own kids, so my guess is they will bring it back about 10 years after Hell freezes over.
Title: Our World Today.
Post by: JeremyB on May 16, 2007, 01:02:21 PM
What exactly are they suspending you and making you attend a hearing for? Terroristic threats?
Did you use actual names and local places in the paper, or fictional ones?
Title: Our World Today.
Post by: Jim_Miller on May 16, 2007, 04:08:24 PM
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Next day, CPS was called in. They came out to our house to check things out. We told the truth about what happened. The kids both told the truth about what happened. They wanted to see Hunter, so we brought him out, and they had to ask us where he washiznit, as there was no mark, like the school reported. (School said it was bruised). Roger ended up getting a write up in NY state for smacking him, but there was nothing more done.
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I had nearly this exact same thing happen with my oldest son. He was at the neighbors house playing B-Ball his mother sent his younger brother to call him in, He ignored him, His mother went and called him in, He ignored her, I went and threatened his life (do NOT ignore your mother, what the hell was he thinking?) and he came running… as he was running past me through the front door to see what his mother wanted I booted his ass with the inside of my left foot. This was just enough to throw him off balance and miss step enough that he tripped over the threshold of the door and banged his shoulder on the wall leaving a bruise. The next day in P.E. the gym teacher saw the bruise asked what happened and my dear sweet son decided to keep the explanation brief and said “my dad kicked me” CPS was called, they came out, we told exactly what happened, they wanted to see my son, he told them the whole story, they said the same thing this will be documented but nothing more will be done.
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And for corporal punishment like it was said above, parents cant even physically repremand thier own kids, so my guess is they will bring it back about 10 years after Hell freezes over.
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I beg to differ, Parents CAN reprimand there own kids, Parents can spank there own kids, Parents can not ABUSE there kids. The Abuse is what every case needs to be checked out. Notice in LittleAngels story all that happened was they came out to check and then documented. This same thing happened with me on no less than three or four occasions. The time I mention above the CPS agent showed up with a Police Officer (safety reasons for her) and I told them both and I quote “I have the right, and I will use that right to discipline my children as I see fit until the day you take them from me, the way I see it either I deal with them now or he (pointing to the officer) deals with them later, the choice is yours (addressing the CPS agent), should I pack his clothes now?” The answer was “No your fine, Just sometimes it’s a different situation so we have to check every report” they thin offered to send some pamphlets’ on alternative methods of discipline which I said sure I would be happy to read them. CPS then turned to my son and said “next time your mother calls you get your butt in the house right away or I’ll come kick it” The Officer told “your correct if you don’t deal with him now I‘ll have to later, and nobody want’s that” thanked me and said I was doing a good job.
You see just because CPS chooses to “error on the safe side” does not mean parents cant discipline there kids. Whats blown out of proportion is our reaction "parents cant even physically repremand thier own kids" to them just checking.
About now is when we get about a half a dozen "Well my brothers ex wifes sisters cousin's uncle had his kids taken away by CPS just cause he raised his voice with them" stories... if it's not YOUR experiance.. save it!
Title: Our World Today.
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on May 16, 2007, 06:47:18 PM
I see your point, but, there are a lot of parents out there that are afraid to punish their kids because of CPS, and some have had bad experiences with CPS.
I did forget to mention that about a week after the incident with Hunter and CPS coming to the house over it, he was acting up in school and the principle called me and said "We needed to do something with him" I told her, "NO, YOU need to do something with him, when we tried, YOU called CPS for it. So now YOU get to deal with him" I was then told that CPS would no longer be called unless it was a substantiated reason. We've not had a problem since then with that principle. Hunter has been our 'problem child' for a long time now. LOL He's actually turning out to be a really good kid despite it all.
Title: Our World Today.
Post by: DVP on May 16, 2007, 11:45:04 PM
Quote from: JeremyB;147627
What exactly are they suspending you and making you attend a hearing for? Terroristic threats?
Did you use actual names and local places in the paper, or fictional ones?
in the final paper i used no names of teachers or principles. i used my school for the fact that is were their ignorace to everything was happening(not a good idea) and used my name as a kid that almost gets killed by the main character, i think if i would have put in diferent names then i would still be in the same place because thay would say this world in your story is just what you want here. I dont know what to do. ppl are saying get it in the paper, that could go either way, ppl are saying sue the district, INCLUDING TEACHERS! i hate this, my next paper is going to be a horrible story because i know know that if you take anything that is going on in the world today and explain how things need to be changed to prevent it from happening around us, then you are the threat. so i quess all my papers now will be about daisies and Unicorns. 96% on the paper and there are so many grammer errors, kinda make you wonder how good of a paper he thought it was to give me a grade like that with such bad grammer