What the heck?
So how rare is this thing?
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/295662227.html
I've never heard of a turbo-4 fox that wasn't an SVO.
Pretty rare...
1979 Mustang Pace cars were 2.3 Carbed turbo.
pretty common actually (except in vert form). They made quite a lot of 2.3t efi "Turbo GT" Stangs in 83-84.
The verts are very rare actually. Dude down the street has one of 300 something in silver.
Rare is a relative term. 1 of 300 would be a common color for 04-06 GTO's. In Mustang terms they are rare, but there's quite a few floating around (more then 83-86 TC's I'd bet). For the right price I wouldn't pass up a vert one though...
"The scoop on the hood is black and is a bit on the dull side (maybe its suppose to be, not sure). "
*sigh* Nice car, though.
Well, when you say 1 of 300 with a car built in 04-06, thats not very rare, because you could easily say 90% of them are still on the road, and probably not be too far off.
When you say 1 of 300 in 84-86 for example, theres 20 years worth of cars to be destroyed, stolen, lost, etc.
1 of 300 is a common GTO. The rare ones are 1 of 3, 1 of 7, and 1 of 12. The most is 1 of 517 IIRC. I understand that 25 years has come in between that GT and now, but it's still a Mustang. There's going to be a higher percentage of those saved then any other car from the 80's and they just weren't "rare" to start with. See, the problem is, it's only rare compared to other Mustangs. There's less then 300 83 TC's left on the planet in any color, that's a much better bet on collector rarity.
Buddy of mine once had an '84 GT turbo Stang. Trashed it. I could've killed him for it, was a nice car when he got it. :beatyoass:
Production numbers from FEP for 84's
Turbo GT: 3,798
2.3 Turbo convertible: 104
The Verts are pretty rare cars for sure. My Capri RS turbo is one of about 1350 or so built in 84. What that really means is nobody wanted them when they were new either ;)
Bob Myers
I object! :beatyoass:
I think the 83-84 RS's were some of the best looking of the bunch. Not so crazy on the hatch and tail lights but loved the front end and fenders. In my opinion second in style only to the '85-'86 GT's with the '79 Pace cars coming in a close 3rd.
However I guess I have to agree that there where not nearly enough people that agree with me to keep the car alive. *big sigh*
And collectibility starts with demand followed by rarity. For example, despite their rarity there is not a real big following for Mercury's LN7.
Bryan
That's what they said about the 70-71 Daytonas. Dealerships were actually removing the aero noses and wings and installing standard Charger stuff just to get rid of 'em. Now look what the friggin' things are worth.
Rarity doesn't always mean money though - Mustangs have always outsold Thunderbirds, but aside from the 55-57 T-Birds, Mustangs are almost always more valuable. A 65 Mustang will almost always cost more than a 65 Thunderbird in the same condition. Another exception may be the 74-78 model years - not really popular years for either car, but the T-Bird might command more than the Pintang...
Where'd this one of 300 come from???
Anyway I lifted this from the Mustang Pace Car Site...
The Mustang was redesigned for the beginning of it's 15th model year. For exposure, Ford offered the new Mustang to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway to pace the '79 race. To capitalize on the publicity, Ford produced 10,478 replicas availible for sale during the 1979 model year. All the replicas used many of the same styling cues that were on the actual pace car. Pewter and black paint with orange and red stripes made the car standout in the crowd. Among the differences between the pace car replica and the standard Mustang were a raised cowl induction style hood, a different front facia with horizontal grill bars and a lower front air dam, front fog lights, rear spoiler, TRX handling package with metric sized wheels and tires, black Recaro front seats with black and white checkered inserts on both front and rear seats, and "black chrome" dash inserts with a dash plaque. The buyer had the option of having the "OFFICIAL PACE CAR" decals installed on the side or just left in a box in the back of the car. The availible engine choises were 5.0L V8 (with either a 4spd or automatic) or the new 2.3L turbo (4spd only) Unfortunatly, the Jack Roush prepared 302 in the actual pace car was not offered. There was a BOSS 302 powered one in my neighborhood, back in '81. Every one knew not to mess with pace car that rumbled. The then animic 5.0 could only manage 139hp through its 2bbl and single exhaust. The turbo 4 actually made 1 more horsepower than its V8 sibling. Because the country was in the midst of the late 70's fuel shortage and Ford was pushing turbo power over the V8, about 1500 more 2.3L were sold than its 5.0L big brother (5970 2.3L, 4508 5.0L of which 2106 were AT and 2402 were 4spd) Besides the engine modifications made to the Mustang that actually paced the race, the suspension, brakes, and chassis were modified to handle the speeds required. The car also featured strobe lights in the fog and tail lights and t-top (only a pop-up sunroof was availible on the replica). Famous Grand Prix racing driver and then Ford pitchman Jackie Stewart handled the driving duties. In 1980, the pace car's exterior stylings were used on Mustang Cobra model.
Tom-
They weren't referring to the '79 Pace Car (which they made quite a few of)... They were referring to the '83-84 GT Turbos, which were produced in far fewer numbers.
'83-84 Turbo GTs are rare as hell. Aerobird, what are you thinking?! I bet you can't find another five convertibles anywhere on the internet.
'83s are unusual because they are the first Mustangs since '73 to be offered as convertibles.
'84s are unusual because most buyers chose the hyped-up SVO instead.
I agreed that the Vert's were rare, even admitted to wanting to buy one. But Turbo GT's as whole are not "rare". Rare is relative. Yes, they are "rare" compared to other Fox Mustangs, but not to "rare" performance cars. 52 '69 Hurst S/S AMX's, that's rare. 17 '70 Hemi 'Cuda convertibles, that's rare. 3 '05 GTO's with hoodscoop delete, that's rare. ONE '71 GTO convertible, that's RARE. 300 is a "uncommon" car in those circles. So, yes, rare compared to 10,000+ '79 Pace Car Replicas, but not rare in and of itself, no.
1983 Turbo GT Hatchback - 604
1984 Turbo GT Hatchback - 3,386
1984 Turbo GT Convertible - 412
1984 Turbo GT 20th Anny GT350 2.3T Hatchback - 362
1984 Turbo GT 20th Anny GT350 2.3T Convertible - 104
Here's a nice one on eBay -
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-84-GT-turbo-mustang-GT-turbo-all-original-well-cared-for-rare-car_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6236QQhashZitem180098563847QQitemZ180098563847QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
Heh, dunno about that...I believe that even the lowly Mustang II's are worth more than the land barge Thunderbirds & Cougars of that era.
So there were fewer than 5,000 turbo-GTs of ANY kind made in '83-84. Plus they are getting close to 25yrs old and since they've never been particularly desirable, the ones left are RARE. ;)
I've got a '57 Plymouth 2dr Suburban, one of 11 known to exist. I've got a '57 DeSoto Firedome 2dr hardtop, one of 40 known to exist.
Neither of these cars was rare when new (Plymouth - 1 of 11,169 built, DeSoto - 1 of 12,179) but they're also 50yrs old now. ;)
Most cars have an attrition rate of around 8% per year. If accurate for the Mustangs in question, that would leave about 620 examples.
I was kidding, I like them a lot too, but I'm strange ;) Turbo T-birds, and Capris????? What the heck am I thinking ;)
Love the front view......
(http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/525/2506128800066453426S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2506128800066453426tZEcAp)
And there is a way to "fix" the look from the back (although the bubble is prefered by the real purists).
(http://inlinethumb12.webshots.com/971/2101341040066453426S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2101341040066453426rkgeYG)
Bob Myers
Mmmm-hmmm! I DO love Bob's Capri RS! I *almost* bought an orange one waaayyyy back in 2000. Shoulda coulda woulda...
Anyways, you guys want RARE? My neighbor has a 1959 Buick Electra 4-door pillar-less hardtop. Less then 300 made in '59 (Most Electra's got up-trimmed to Electra 225's and most 4-doors had pillars). There are 13 '59 Buicks of ANY model left registered to drive. That includes the LeSabre's, Invicta's, Electra's, AND Electra 225's in Wagon, 4-door, 4-door hardtop, 2-door, 2-door hardtop, and convertibles. Just 13 left TOTAL. THAT'S Rare! And the '59 Buick line was the Car of the Year AND paced the Indy 500, it was the 2nd best selling car of '59 as a line (after the full-size Chevy).
Dude, 13 1959 Buicks left? What are you smoking? I see five of them that make it to the Roundup in Austin every year. I notice them because '59 Buicks are my favorite GM car of all time.
They made 20,612 '59 Electra 4dr HTs. http://www.oldride.com/library/1959_buick_electra.html Very neat car but also not nearly one of ... less than 13.
And all '59-60 GM 4dr HT vehicles used that same crazy roofline.
I actually prefer the bubble, just because it sets the car off from Mustangs. Most Capris around here have been "Mustanged" (and by "Most Capris" I mean "both") - bubble hatch gone, 87-93 front clip installed, ponies - the only way to tell they're Capris is the flared fenders.
1979 capri rs turbo 4 speed, it was 100% original and it WAS drop dead gorgeous, new paint the inside looked like a new car
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c384/boss3512/P1010055.jpg)
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c384/boss3512/P1010057.jpg)
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c384/boss3512/P1010053.jpg)
its wreaked now the kid that bought it got t boned by a big truck he didn't get injured but the car is trashed. I wanted that thing so bad, adn he only payed like 2800 for it i think my mom said it was a waste
i have a picture of it wreaked ill have to find it, the kid swaped on black turbines and man that thing looked NASTY, was pretty quick, first time i ever saw a carbed turbo car too
when i saw this i almost cryed
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c384/boss3512/09-25-06_1524.jpg)
its a shame, it really is
If you can get parts from it, and the hoodscoop isn't damaged..go snag it...they're kinda hard to find in good shape...
I looked briefly at a '79 Pace Car with the 2.3T in it and TRX package. I couldn't understand why "NEW TIRES" was considered a big selling point until years later when I realized the metric TRX tires are so rare and expensive.
i don't know where it is now i wanted the whole thing, the motor had only 78k on it. only damage was right there everything else was still perfect im almost positive the other kids with capris around here got it for parts, and most likely junked the motor cause they are dumbasses. man i wish i had got that, i wanted to put my turbocoupe motor in it, would have been a lot of work but it would have been really sweet in the end
ok aero you said something about gto convt being rare how rare we talking theres one near my house i think its a 70
Go read my post again. 13 left REGISTERED TO DRIVE WITH THE DMV. There are probably 20-30 "show" cars that get trailered and musuem piece only cars (such as the actual Indy Pace Car, etc). There are exactly 13 left driving on the road, period. Of all the ones left, show cars included, there's still only ONE known 4-door pillarless hardtop Electra, and that's my neighbors. 75% of the restored trailer-queen show cars came out of a place called Martin's Buick in Portland, OR. He tried to buy Chuck's Electra on the spot 2 months ago when he saw it for the first time. BTW, I should have mentioned his is one of the 300ish Electra 4-door hardtops with the PowerPack and triple-turbine tranny built in '59. For a boat the size that beast is, it gets up and HAULS.
And daboss,
71 GTO convertible, 1 of 1 period. Nobody knows where it's at.
46Tbird,
If you really like '59 Buicks, those 5 guys that go to the round-up, and every-other '59 Buick on the planet is going to a meeting in Seattle this year. 9 of the 13 driver's left have confirmed, the real Indy Pace Car is going, and at least 6 of Martin's trailer-only show restorations are registered. It's going to be the largest gathering of these for the last several years.
then i doubt this is a 71 but is that the only gto convt made? cause then if it is i know where it is, and the guy will not sell it i tryed to get a price out of him he refuses to even price it
Edit i feel stupid i know thats not the only convt made but the one the guy has its i think a 70
I *highly* doubt it's the one and only 71 GTO convertible. There's been legions of collectors and restorers looking for that car for decades. That being said, it's probably in a some codger's yard who won't sell it. Beware for LeMans and Tempest clones. There's about 80 71 "GTO" convertibles like that around. Luckily Pontiac is THE most with it company on old records and PHS knows the 71 GTO Vert's VIN.
this convt is a true gto, and so many people ask him to sell it and he refuses
lol, dude - Aero - just stop. Please.
1971 GTO production numbers: http://www.71gto.com/specs.php
678 convertibles total
As for '59 Buicks, they're common. Many many more than 13 being driven. I found some on carnut.com - http://www.carnut.com/photo/list/buick/buick59.html. Hell, even the Cubans have them. I'm sure you saw this. http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/02/04/cuba.car.ap/
Just found two four-door hardtops in use on the net, one in Oregon, one in Michigan. Which is your neighbor's?
http://forums.aaca.org/showflat.php?Number=260894
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/297034684.html
I almost bought a '59 2dr HT at the Pate swap meet (local) last year. Black with black interior, nice original paint, stock 401 nailhead, car was driven there from 200 miles away. Price was $3500, more than I had on me at the time, and I watched another guy buy it.. dammit.
Ok, from the mid-80s archives.
(http://mustanglife.tenmagazines.com/gallery/brypur1/111907.jpg)
1979 Capri, 2.3l, 4 spd
Loved that car but gave it up for a '84 GT. In retrospect, wish I had it back. Nothing special but it was mine.
Bryan
My bad, '72 GTO. I was off by 1 year.
1972 Production Numbers
Coupes 134
Hardtops 5,673
Convertibles 1
So there :P:P:P
That first '59 you posted is an AACA show car, it's registered with Historic Show Only tags, so it's NOT part of the 13 still driving. Martin's has done some work on it, a very nice car. He's one of the guys going to the Seattle meet this year.
That second one is another of Martin's customers. He got the lakes installed there.
Chuck's car is a '59 Buick Electra 4-door hardtop, 445 Wildcat Power Pack engine with the triple-turbine tranny. Originally Salmon on Cream, it's been '59 Caddy Dark Green since 1979. His second wife bought it new in '59 and he married her in '72.