General => Lounge => Topic started by: jcassity on January 29, 2007, 01:50:57 AM
Title: money quiz for us currency
Post by: jcassity on January 29, 2007, 01:50:57 AM
i can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that INFLATION does not exist.,,,, any takers??????:D
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Post by: stuntmannick on January 29, 2007, 02:08:06 AM
prove it, NOW!
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Post by: *MAYHEM* on January 29, 2007, 07:19:13 AM
Well? We're waiting.
Though I thought inflation was pretty obvious.
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Post by: blu84302 on January 29, 2007, 07:20:52 AM
I don't know what's going on here... but i do know I hate that FICA guy. He's always taking half my check!
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Post by: xr7cat on January 29, 2007, 10:45:05 AM
i'll bite
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Post by: 20th anny 5.o on January 29, 2007, 03:55:44 PM
This will sound pen 15y , because it is but your full of , considering my father bought his 73 Mercury Comet GT for under 5 grand , 3200 to be exact brand new. 14 years later here comes the 87 Mercury Cougar 20th anniversary Edition that my grandparents buy, 14k.
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Post by: Tbird232ci on January 29, 2007, 04:39:05 PM
Quote from: 20th anny 5.o;126439
This will sound pen 15y , because it is but your full of , considering my father bought his 73 Mercury Comet GT for under 5 grand , 3200 to be exact brand new. 14 years later here comes the 87 Mercury Cougar 20th anniversary Edition that my grandparents buy, 14k.
HA! This is exactly how he wanted the pot to be stirred.
Ask your father what he was making back in 1973. My father and co-worker were both telling me how they worked for 1.35 an hour when they were kids. That was decent pay back in the day.
Fast forward, and now the national minimum wage is 5.15 an hour or so. Thats 3.81 times the wage back in the late 60's.
Now take that 3200 dollar Comet, multiply that by the 3.81, and you get 12,192. Not even 200 dollars off of that 14K cougar. Also keep in mind that the cars are in different classes and different price ranges due to the type of car they car.
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Post by: softtouch on January 29, 2007, 04:50:28 PM
In the '40s my father supported a wife and 7 kids on $40 a week.
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Post by: stuntmannick on January 29, 2007, 05:24:16 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;126446
HA! This is exactly how he wanted the pot to be stirred.
Ask your father what he was making back in 1973. My father and co-worker were both telling me how they worked for 1.35 an hour when they were kids. That was decent pay back in the day.
Fast forward, and now the national minimum wage is 5.15 an hour or so. Thats 3.81 times the wage back in the late 60's.
Now take that 3200 dollar Comet, multiply that by the 3.81, and you get 12,192. Not even 200 dollars off of that 14K cougar. Also keep in mind that the cars are in different classes and different price ranges due to the type of car they car.
Quote from: dictionary.com
Economics. a persistent, substantial rise in the general level of prices related to an increase in the volume of money and resulting in the loss of value of currency (opposed to deflation).
Someone please explain how there is no such thing
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Post by: slamedcat on January 29, 2007, 05:30:25 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;126446
Now take that 3200 dollar Comet, multiply that by the 3.81, and you get 12,192. Not even 200 dollars off of that 14K cougar. Also keep in mind that the cars are in different classes and different price ranges due to the type of car they car.
Its a catch 22. Minimum wage is $1.35 prices are low because if they were high it would make the market unstable because no one could buy anything. Now the minimum wage is $5.15 and hour so the price on everything goes up because everyone has more money to spend.
I remember when I started supporting my family I made $500 every other week. We were fine. Now 10 years later I make twice that in one week and we still live the same way.
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Post by: 5.0willgo on January 29, 2007, 05:49:53 PM
I sucked in econ when I took it but it is all economics. I learned that inflation doesn't exist but for the life of me I can't remember the explanation. Had to do with a few things.
Everything has to be perfectly balanced in order to not skyrocket prices or plumet prices. For some reason I think it had something to do with supply and demand. With population increases, there are greater demands for goods. Therefore suppy increases so demand is met but not so we have a large surplus. All of this costs money, therefore more money is in circulation than years ago to match the needed supply but is also matching the demand. See, the supply has increased to keep up with population growths but demand has remained the same.
Alright, now I'm starting to remember why I hated Economics class.
Please Explain :dunce:
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Post by: 20th anny 5.o on January 29, 2007, 06:25:58 PM
The Wiki explanation of Inflation (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation")
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 29, 2007, 06:52:42 PM
According to that wiki thing:
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In mainstream economics (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_economics"), inflation is a rise in the general level of prices, as measured against some baseline of purchasing power (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power").
Using that as a definition, inflation clearly exists,but not necessarily across the board. A house costs double what it did seven years ago, but not many people have had their paychecks double. A gallon of gas is double what it was 10 years ago, but again, people's paychecks have not doubled. Many things have increased exponentially while wages have increased only marginally.
Of course, many prices have come down a great deal, too, especially in the tech sector. I paid over $400 for a 6.4-gig hard drive around about 1996. You can now get a 250-gig HDD for well less than half that. When USB thumb drives first came out they cost hundreds of dollars while having a capacity of 16MB. You can now get a 256MB thumb drive for under $30. Even things such as TV sets and car stereos are considerably better featured and for less money than they were even a decade ago.
If I were to measure inflation as the difference in the amount of money an average person would have left over (expressed as a percentage of his wages, so that things like raises don't skew the number) after paying the necessities (food, housing, utilities, transportation - again, expressed as the percentage of his wages that must go to pay these things) as compared to a point in the past (be it one month, a year, a decade, etc), I would say that inflation exists. It's almost impossible for a family to exist on a single income nowadays, where it was commonplace in the 50's, 60's and 70's. Two incomes are required to pay the bills that one used to.
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Post by: 20th anny 5.o on January 29, 2007, 07:13:54 PM
Im not trying to start a flame war or any war in general but i agree with Thunder Chicken and the Wiki, inflation exists.
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Post by: bhazard on January 29, 2007, 07:36:46 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;126484
According to that wiki thing:
Of course, many prices have come down a great deal, too, especially in the tech sector. I paid over $400 for a 6.4-gig hard drive around about 1996. You can now get a 250-gig HDD for well less than half that. When USB thumb drives first came out they cost hundreds of dollars while having a capacity of 16MB. You can now get a 256MB thumb drive for under $30. Even things such as TV sets and car stereos are considerably better featured and for less money than they were even a decade ago.
Hitachi will be releasing their 7k1000, 1 TERABYTE hard drive soon at $400. 32MB cache. Thats right around 2.5gb per dollar. I got a 120gb drive for around $110 back in mid-03. Thats about 1.1gb per dollar.
4gb SD cards can be had for $60-70 on newegg. I got a 2gb for $30 at best buy on black friday.
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Post by: Ifixyawata on January 29, 2007, 07:37:39 PM
Money has no real value anymore. It's all fake. You're being lied to.
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Post by: Sduneman3 on January 29, 2007, 09:21:28 PM
I agree with Ifixyawata
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Post by: Autocat on January 29, 2007, 09:50:45 PM
this is mostly off-topic, but i think it's funny we use a desimal system for our money, which dominates the world pretty much... but we still measure distance in inches, feet, and miles.
anyway, this could be debated, all i've read so far are good points saying that inflation does exist. gas to me is the biggest show and tell of inflation. its interesting for someone to say it doesnt exist.
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Post by: Clayton on January 29, 2007, 09:55:59 PM
How would we blow up baloons and air up tires if inflation didnt exist :giggle:
sorry I had to.
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Post by: slamedcat on January 29, 2007, 10:08:34 PM
Quote from: Autocat;126517
gas to me is the biggest show and tell of inflation. its interesting for someone to say it doesnt exist.
Do the math that Tbird232ci explained. What was a gallon of gas in the 60's now multiply that by the difference in the min wage of then and today.
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Post by: jcassity on January 29, 2007, 11:38:02 PM
Quote from: Ifixyawata;126491
Money has no real value anymore. It's all fake. You're being lied to.
this happens to be the closest among you all to the truth,,,but Shawn probably took the prize by hitting in right on.
here is the deal (not my point of view but just plain fact)
please dont get board, read all the below and i welcome your new found conclusion:D
fastbackward to the year 1929 and arm yourself with one $20 gold piece. With this coin in the year 1929 can you get all the below services and still have change? (remember, your are in the year 1929)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fill up your modle T ford with gas get the wife an inexpensive dress get yourself a new shirt get a shave/haircut pay a baby sitter to watch the kids for the evening take wife to dinner if you feelin lucky, get an inexpensive hotel room for the night?
Answer,,,YES and all these service you get and still have some change left over.
Fastforward to jan 30, 2007 you find a 20 dallar gold piece (dont ask how, just accept the fact you did). In 1934, congress signed into law that it is illegal to use gold as coin currency ect so you cant just go spend it. Congress makes mention that it is illegal to d such gold and everyone across the nation was to turn in all gold coins or be fined and put in jail. In effect , you were not allowed to d gold so that the goverment could. At best you would make a million by auction but that would deviate from my point here.,,so,,,,, At worse case you are allowed to take said coin to any bank and get the paper equivilent of todays market value of one troy ounce of gold!!! So,, the bank looks up the current rate for gold today and says to you, "looks like today gold closed at about $642 an ounce".
They hand you 642 dollars.
with $642 ,can you get all the below services and still have change? fill up your T bird with gas get the wife an inexpensive dress get yourself a new shirt get a shave/haircut pay a baby sitter to watch the kids for the evening take wife to dinner if you feelin lucky, get an inexpensive hotel room for the night?
Answer,,,YES and all these service you get and still have some change left over.
Nothing changed,, you still get the same amount of services for the same amount of gold,, thats why they dont let us have gold anymore cause inflation needed to be INVENTED. It happend in1934, again in 1964 with silver, again in 1983 ending copper pennies and again i think in 2001 with nickle.
gets you thinking , doesnt it?
Conclusion,, Inflation if Faux, have a good day:D
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 29, 2007, 11:48:22 PM
So because it was "invented" it doesn't exist? Just askin', because somebody invented the laptop sitting on my chest...
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Post by: jcassity on January 29, 2007, 11:52:31 PM
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So because it was "invented" it doesn't exist? Just askin', because somebody invented the laptop sitting on my chest...
i knew this would be my one problem:beatyoass: :hick: but still, i hope i made sense. It's one of the most cheapest tricks ever performed. in reality, if you did happen across a few 20 dollar gold pieces,,, you would be totally immune to INFLATION, so, it would have no effect on you. Inflation would be a transparent blip on the radar in your world thus making you able to thrive and afford things of today just as you would in yesteryear.
I guess its up to you to decide.
in effect, i think the proof is in the pudding.
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Post by: stuntmannick on January 30, 2007, 01:10:27 AM
Link (http://"http://www.afrocentricnews.com/JFK_VS_FEDERAL_RESERVE.html")
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Post by: jcassity on January 30, 2007, 02:54:30 AM
ive often thought the same thing about jfk. i hate the ugly truth, but i seem to always wanna find out the angle of the enemy for self preservation.
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Post by: the_intimidator03 on January 30, 2007, 03:17:37 AM
ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...... i think that sums up my thoughts on it....... btw ur right jcassity
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Post by: MexCougar on January 30, 2007, 03:41:55 AM
I Printed all your explanation Scott !!! Wait for tomorrow when im going to show this to my pals in the school (im studying the Faculty of Economycs). Somebody its going to get a kick in his/her ass !!!
About the money value...yes, its worth nothing. I read a book called "La Plata el camino para Mexico" and i was shocked when i understood how all this governement shiznit works in all the world.....
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Post by: MexCougar on January 30, 2007, 03:50:42 AM
I Read this and exactly something like the silver penny example happened here in the decade of 90`s. The Mexican governement did some coins; 5, 10 cts, 50cts, 1 peso, 2 pesos, 5 pesos, 10 pesos , 20 pesos and 50 pesos. The coins from 5 cts to 5 pesos were (and still are) made from niquel and other cheap steel. But fpr the 10 pesos to 50 pesos these were in two pieces. One inner circle, of silver, and the outer ring was niquel. Well, that was only in 1993. Now they are made from other material. But well, if you find a regular coin, its worth less than a U.s Dollar, but if you find a 10 pesos coin with silver, its worth like 3 dollars ! left alone the stranger examples of 20 and 50 pesos, they were bigger and heavier !!!
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 30, 2007, 09:09:37 AM
Very interesting reading. I wish I could find that tupperware cup I had full of silver coins (including a few dozen JFK dollars)
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Post by: Autocat on January 30, 2007, 11:35:22 AM
i was always taught that the government controlled inflation and the market by either producing more money, or destroying money. like say there were 500,000 dollars in circulation. then they cut it in half and there was only 250,000 dollars in circulation. this would cause the monitary value of the dollar rise 50%, thus causing the oppsite of inflation. or something like that. im a mechanic, not a economist.
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Post by: jcassity on January 30, 2007, 12:59:26 PM
Autocat, i use to think the same thing until i discovered the problems with the serial numbers.
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;126590
Very interesting reading. I wish I could find that tupperware cup I had full of silver coins (including a few dozen JFK dollars)
the two coins worth anything in the JFK 50cent denomination are:
1964, JFK half dollar which was the first year of the JFK, last year of silver coinage , the following year was the sandwich coin for all 50, 25 and 10 cent coins. This made the "64 half dollar" a one of a kind coin like nothing else ever in minting history could compare to. The only other compareable coin would be the 1909 (S mint being the highest value) wheat penny where the designers initials were at the base of the two wheat twigs on the back "vdb" stamped on the rear. The following year , the designers initials are stamed on the lower profile of lincoln just as any other coin of today.
1976 bicentenial
i collect coins , numistics, and i have noticed some years of coins would contain more silver/less copper than other years. Ive often wondered about that logic.