Since Im rebuilding the engine in my t-bird I will post pics of all parts I purchased to do so. So in a couple days I will post pics of the following items. Moroso oilpan,extended pickup,hedman hustler headers,radiator,electric fan,modded power steering bracket,ect.
And I will take pics of the overhaul and installation of the tubular k-member and 351c with the c-6. So keep your pants on for pics.
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Still waiting!
Me too :beatyoass: :beatyoass: :beatyoass:
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Dom.
Be Patient I work alot,and am getting digital camera this week. The motor is out and disassembled.
well, I guess mine will make the 5th 351c powered bird I have seen now... but mine is a TC, just waiting on the insurance check to get here to start ordering parts so I can drive her after 5 years and be at the WFC this year...
Methos
*edit* I also am shooting for 12's... 12.99 and 12.00.. anything faster and I'm gonna slow it down because I know I'll get stupid in it.
I want to hear updates on all of this.I'm going with a 351W late this year or early next year.I want to keep the fuel injection,and a factory appearance.
well his info isn't really gonna help you w= small block, c=big block
Ya a windsor is a easy swap compared to the cleveland width,its the same as a 460. Windsor about the same as 5.0 but a little more deck heighth,but alot more cool parts to do it.
And it snowed here again,Man I hate Winter,but pics still coming
I have a single car garage(little) I do most work in Driveway,thus why no progress reports yet. So hold on to your Panties!!!
Working in the driveway?That's the world I live in.It sucks.Why can't we all have heated 5 car garages?WHYYYYYYYYY ?????
be happy you have one, my house here in ri, no garage, so once my dad brings up my stang, im doing all the work in my yard. joy
Staying with the 351C buildup.
Everyone does a 5.0 though.
well it seems everyone that really mods thier cars go with 351's.... i mean its his car, i dunno what he could do engine/drivetrain wise to be different among other fox t's.
Guy flaked out on me,back to clevland plans.
its lighter too, and you totally stole my motor, i want either a 408w or a 410w. If you do it, keep me posted, and tell me how bad ass it runs.
for the record, the C is NOT a big block... the head fit on a W block, they have a SB bellhousing pattern, they have small main journals... the only thing that they share with big blocks is the overall size of the heads, ports, and valve sizes... There is one block that does skew the defining line... and that's the "400 FMX", it has all the outside sizes of the 400/351M but has a small block bellhousing pattern on it... not many were made but I ended up with one...
Methos
so the c isn't classified as a big block?
No. They marketed it as a small block with big block heads.
As methos said they have the same bellhousing pattern as a 302 the same mounts and location as a 302. Smaller main journals, deck height than a 351w.
That is correct. A 351m,400m have the big block bell housing and motor mount locations. A 351c is easy to swap except the expensive headers and oil pan to do it. I've even been thinking of a AOD instead of c-6,lowering gears to 4.10. Im sure my car would be faster and have overdrive. But a cheap AOD wont cut it. They are weak even to a 5.0,and need proper mods to make them live.
Heres a couple pics of the disassembly of my bird. The 5.0 ho lifter setup,header,oil pan,head. I know the engine dept needs attention.
And I havent bought k-member yet,all to come soon with better pics.
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Hail the almighty bird!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love my T-BIRD. LOL!!!!!!!!!
it looks nasty, i see your missing a light there, and i love the two tone trim lol.
I was going to try to keep the stock Bird K-member but I might switch you a tubular for weight and future upgrades...
Methos
I like Your hood scoop!!!, I guess I'll make one for one of My spares Hood, and paint at the same time I'll paint My bird,I'll guess I'll paint two others hoods, one straight, one with a scoop like Your, and the TC hood on the car, If I change My mind for any reason, I'll just change the hood, that's it:hick:
Regards,
Dom.
Ya that scoop is off of my 1974 Comet Gt 302/3spd/floorshift. It has been on my 71 Cougar,and now on my bird. I like the way it turned out on there. Was going cowl but everybody has one of them.
How easy and common is that 5.0 roller lifter conversion?
into a cleveland? I have never heard of it being done.
Methos
Keep on with your Cleveland swap! I'd like to see some pics when you get it in the engine bay and compare how much room you have compared to a 460 swap. __ Alan
Its the same. I measured the 70 460 I sold last year and If I remember right they were both like 27inches and a half or something like that. Money to Power wise I should have done the 460,but the guy helping me build my engine says that 460+hp is about what I be at with Srp pistons,balance,cc the pistons,3 angle valve job,roller valvetrain,ect few old racer tricks. Should haul ass?
If you can get 460 HP out of your Cleveland then you most certainly will be in the "Kick Ass" territory!!
The great advantage on the Cleveland over the 429-460 is your bird will be about 175-200 lbs. less heavy on the nose of the car. That will certainly help on the launch.
Our big problem we have with the 730 pound 460s we run is weight transfer. So I spend more time setting up the rear suspension and use Moroso "trick' front coil springs for a Fox Body.
Well the weather is finally going to co'op this next week or so. So I'll get some progress reports soon. Sorry taking so long.
We are all patient and know it takes time to do something right!
after much deliberation and reading... my long rod/stock stroke combo, alum heads, and XE block from australia have been thrown out the door So I might ened up with something a little cheaper but should still perform as well with all cast stuff...
Methos
you mean 6" rods (aussie) 3.50 stroke,cast ford pistons. I will be the first to say that I was talked into SRP pistons because they are way nicer than stock stuff. I was going to do a "cheap" overhaul" but got told that is what I would get in return. If you spend money on your short block you will have something better to work with. My stock compression was 10:76:1 with closed chamber heads. But now I will have 10:00:1 compression with SRP flat tops. I will have to have it balanced because the SRP's are lighter,thus greater throttle response and i can put the juice to it if i want. So dont go cheap on the bottom end. OK! I have DOAE closed chamber heads and they are not the best for low end power,but I'm going to get a custom ground cam (roller) to try to get some low end power. Parts are going to be here soon so then i will post pics. Until then foxtbirdcougars RULE!!!!!!
yeah, I was going to use the longer rods but all the aftermarket ones are made for a chevy pin. Then leads to custom made pistons and such. $850 bucks for a freaking set of pistons is a joke. As far as the heads, I have the closed chamber 4v heads as well. I tried tracking a set of the pistons that take the 6" rod from australia and they were $700 AUS(550 usd) then lets not forget the shipping and taxes... so after you get them here, they are as much as the custom pistons and will take just as long... my assembly will be lightened and balanced as well. But there is 2 things that you should take into consideration. 1, to make best use of the closed chamber heads. You might want to check the deck clearance with the pistons. The speed pro stock replacement forged flat tops have a .029. With a typical head gasket thickness of .041 you end up with too much area for the quench and makes it more pr0ne to knock. Get the block milled to 0. 2, check into the things that somender singh has done. Basically he takes a triangle file and makes a groove in the quench area across from the plug making the flame front spread faster to the quench. Thus giving a better, all over burn. There have been several people praise of doing this by getting increase in mileage and performance... I certainally will be doing this with my cleveland.
Methos
Sorry for draggin up an old thread, but was this finished? I have been toying with putting either a Cleveland or a DOVE 460 in one of my TC's. So was just curious.
My avitar is a pic of 351C just put in a 86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC. All motor and tranny mounts fit right up without any modifications from the original 5.0. Now I have to figure out headers and oil pan.
ok, I have a 3600 sq ft garage with a lift..... lol. SLightly heated.