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Technical => Suspension/Steering => Topic started by: Uncleford on October 31, 2006, 05:45:20 PM

Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Uncleford on October 31, 2006, 05:45:20 PM
Okay, my searches didn't turn up anything of value and my head aches from reading other forums and sites. So here goes..

On my 85 TC Bird.. I have an 8.8. in it an I am converting to rear disks. I have the adapter plate, shield, caliper and rotor for each side. I also have two pieces that have a U bolt that goes to the rear end tube and matches up to the brake caliper mounting holes. I thought I was installing everything correctly but my rotor doesn't push on the hub all the way. It's as if my calipers aren't mounted correctly. Anyone have any ideas? I am sure its simple but I figured someone has run into this already.

Another question in my search for parts and I may as well ask now..

For now I have stock 92 Mustang calipers and rotors up front and now I am installing rear disks from a 95GT. What MC and Brake booster will work well? I have a cam that only makes about 11in of vac on a good day and I do NOT care about the sensor on the MC as my dash face is made out of aluminum and I do not have a stock gauge set up. I was going to do like Gumby and use the sn95 MC and Brake booster together as one unit but on my 85 I wasn't 100% sure this will all work together.

Thanks for the help again...
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Chuck W on October 31, 2006, 08:03:05 PM
What is the 8.8 from?  What axles?  What disks?  Is this 4 or 5-lug? (You have 92 (4-lug) up front and 95 (5-lug) out back)

Pics?
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: gumby on October 31, 2006, 08:11:29 PM
what chuck said. then we can work from there.

sounds like the sn95 booster/MC will work for you with the rear discs. you might also check out http://www.sn95brakes.com to help make sure it will "feel" the way you want it to.
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Uncleford on October 31, 2006, 09:26:31 PM
Ah, I just figured you guys were mind readers!  (j/k) Okay, the rear started out as 4 lug and I believe from a Mustang. It had longer 4 lug axles and rear drum brakes when I bought it in 93.

I had Moser make some 4 lug SN95 length axles. (if I had the insight I would have left them as 5 lug) Anyway, I took them out and put some V6 axles from a 94 Mustang in the rear. Everything fit except the brake hub.I could never find one to fit with the depth that was needed.

So what I have now is 95GT rear disk brakes and 94 V6 axles (28spline) On the front I have what I believe is calipers from a 92 Mustang and the 5 lug front rotors I bought from a company (years ago)

I have another question about the front but i will muddle through this one first. Thanks for the help guys... Almost forgot, I will get some pics shortly...
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Chuck W on October 31, 2006, 09:58:36 PM
From the information given, it sounds like the rear stuff should work w/o issue.  The 94 and 95 stuff is the same, so I don't see why the rotor won't fit.
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Uncleford on October 31, 2006, 10:26:01 PM
Well I will have to take a few pics afterwork tomorrow. I am sure I put something on backwards. The rotor doesn't seem to push all the way on the hub. The way I have it now is...

the rear housing---the backing plate attached to it. Then the caliper. The caliper mounting bolt goes from inside to outside an screws though the backing plate to the caliper with the rotor in between. Now with it like that the rotor contacts the backing plate.

 The other piece I am kinda unsure about is the metal bracket with two holes in it that bolts on with a U bolt. (I don't know what to call it) I have the U bolt mounted through the quad shock area and it sits flush to the backing plate. Sorry my explanation isn't the greatest. I will try to get some pics to look at in the daylight.
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Chuck W on November 01, 2006, 08:22:35 AM
Sounds right, but without pics it's hard to say.

The other bracket is called an "anti-moan" bracket.  It is just a brace, but something you shousl use.
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Uncleford on November 03, 2006, 10:36:57 PM
Okay, I would have posted pics earlier but I have been a bit under the weather these last few days... I took a few today but the quality wasn't that great, If you can't make out the issues or need a different angle let me know and I will take more tomorrow.


Update...I can't figure out how to make the pics small enough to work...Still working on it..
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Uncleford on November 04, 2006, 11:23:04 AM
See how this one is..
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Uncleford on November 04, 2006, 11:27:33 AM
And another
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: gumby on November 04, 2006, 11:42:20 AM
what is the 8.8 housing from? does that even matter?

the pics look like everything is assembled in the proper order. makes the axles look too short for some reason. unless there is a longer 8.8 housing out there...


edit* oops, i see where the housing came from. now im confused....

can you get a measurement from the quad bracket to the outter ? i looked at mine here(87 TC 8.8) and it looks closer(shorter) than your pics
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Uncleford on November 04, 2006, 11:55:04 AM
Excellent! now I am not alone. The housing is the same length as my 92 Mustangs 8.8.. The axles in the T-Bird are longer.
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: gumby on November 04, 2006, 11:59:40 AM
Quote from: Uncleford;111495
The housing is the same length as my 92 Mustangs 8.8..


, im lost then. the mustang length housing should accept sn95 length axles and brakes w/o any issues.
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Uncleford on November 04, 2006, 12:18:09 PM
I have to have something backwards
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Chuck W on November 04, 2006, 12:18:26 PM
You don't have the brackets mounted on the axle housing on the wrong side do you?

As he mentioned, the 8.8 should accept the SN-95 brakes and axles without an issue.
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Uncleford on November 04, 2006, 12:29:04 PM
I don't think so..you are talking about the anti-moans right? The calipers are marked left and right..
Left = Driver and
Right = Passenger side  correct?
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: gumby on November 04, 2006, 12:46:30 PM
thats correct, but i think he means the caliper mount brackets that attach to the axle. i wondered the same thing, but i *think* they are flat anyhow.

did you pull the axles from the 94V6 yourself? so you KNOW they are sn95 length...
how bout a pic with the rotor off
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Uncleford on November 04, 2006, 01:13:58 PM
This is the one I have. Gimme a few and I will take the caliper off and take another pic..

Yeah, I took the V6 axles out myself.
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Uncleford on November 04, 2006, 01:18:46 PM
Hey Chuck, these are my lakewood 50/50's can you still tell they are red underneath all the oil from the busted shock? (hint hint...I think I am a candidate for your stock extention brackets..)
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Uncleford on November 04, 2006, 01:35:38 PM
Okay, here are the new ones...
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Uncleford on November 04, 2006, 01:37:51 PM
Another
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Uncleford on November 04, 2006, 01:40:32 PM
and another..let me know if there as a better shot you need..
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Chuck W on November 04, 2006, 02:07:25 PM
I don't know.  It all looks right in the pics.

Just to make sure about the axles, does the center hub on the axles match the rotors ID?

Have you checked the axle  length against some stock 4-lug Tbird axles to make sure they are the proper length?
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: gumby on November 04, 2006, 02:18:45 PM
looks right. im stuck on the axle length too. not sure where else to go:confused:
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Uncleford on November 04, 2006, 02:53:03 PM
I was thinking...the brake caliper screws in for pad adjustment right? I am thinking I may need to screw them in..would that make sense? I will measure anyway...
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: gumby on November 04, 2006, 03:08:08 PM
yes they screw in, but from what i see in the pics, they wont screw in that far. plus the sliders are extended pretty far, so screwin the pistons in will recenter the caliper on the bracket more than it aloows the rotor to drop in further.
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: Uncleford on November 06, 2006, 06:23:09 PM
Hmmm, the brakes I have are supposed to be from a 95GT. I didn't pull them myself so I can't swear thats what they are from. Its just my luck..if you come up with anymore ideas send them my way. Thanks for the help guys...
Title: Another brake question...
Post by: gumby on November 24, 2006, 09:35:28 PM
jus wonderin if you got this figured out?