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Title: Cobra Jet Loosing it's Grunt
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 25, 2017, 09:20:58 AM
After 44 years of ownership, I'm installing power steering... Currently only pump is mounted to check fit, still has it's manual linkage...

Once any bugs are worked out, I'll detail the engine compartment...

(https://s2.postimg.org/6sv327xtl/cobrapspump.jpg)
Title: Cobra Jet Loosing it's Grunt
Post by: thunderjet302 on March 25, 2017, 10:46:18 AM
Why now? It finally became annoying after 44 years?
Title: Cobra Jet Loosing it's Grunt
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 25, 2017, 12:54:24 PM
Actually it became annoying in 1987, that was when I got it out of storage after around five years(driving newer cars with quick steering spoiled me)... Steering was so pitifully slow that in '91 when I had the engine out I installed a P/S sector, that livened up the steering considerably, also made it harder to steer...  So since that time I've been saying I'll install a complete system one of these days... Being the frontend is ready for freshening anyway, now is one of these days... 

I saved a complete system from a low mileage(50K) Torino GT that was parked around '75, with some freshening parts are in great shape... The pump pictured has been down to parade rest, fully disassembled, inspected, reassembled with new seals... Did same for control valve and assist cylinder... Have all new parts for steering linkage, strut rods & sway bar... In the near future I'll replace upper and lower control arms as well, want to get it driving again first...
Title: Cobra Jet Loosing it's Grunt
Post by: thunderjet302 on March 25, 2017, 02:20:06 PM
Ah. Long term project ;)

Power steering should make it more enjoyable to drive. Does it have 4 wheel drum brakes or discs in front?
Title: Cobra Jet Loosing it's Grunt
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 25, 2017, 03:34:34 PM
Power disc up front, drum in back... I hope to have it driving again by Monday at latest... There's a certain white T-Bird that's getting impatient for it's new 331(I have a helper lined up for that)...

The 428 & 4-speed, as well 3.50 9" rear with 31 spline axles were std... Trans also has 31 spline main shaft and 1 3/8 input shaft(basically same close ratio box the NASCAR boys ran in that era).... It's optioned with ram air, Traction-Lock, bucket seats, console, tach, radio with dual rear speakers & P/B but no P/S, guess the dealer forgot to check that box... I added the race mirrors, styled chrome wheels and AM/FM within a couple years after I bought it...

Cobras without P/S were common but most were basic without many frills...
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Post by: thunderjet302 on March 26, 2017, 08:06:48 PM
Must have been a mistake. I can't imagine someone would order all those options and skip the power steering.
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Post by: 50RACER on March 27, 2017, 08:59:56 AM
Could be the original owner wasn't interested in turning?
Title: Cobra Jet Loosing it's Grunt
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 27, 2017, 10:36:46 PM
Quote from: 50RACER;460027
Could be the original owner wasn't interested in turning?
Original owner bought it as he liked the car, set on lot for over 14 months before he bought it... Was a leftover by that time...

P/S system before restore...
(https://s10.postimg.org/sxrshd7uh/psold.png)

Just before I installed it today...
(https://s12.postimg.org/n2gqjvi3h/psrestored.png)

Manual system..
(https://s16.postimg.org/m4ruh3651/mamual_steer.png)

And for those who maybe haven't seen my second child..
(http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q765/xxAMxx/Cobra/cobra1969_zps9cceb090.jpg)
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Post by: 50RACER on March 28, 2017, 12:32:27 AM
I love those cars. Unfortunately they take an undeserved back seat to the Mustangs of the day, but they were great performers and looked great too. My first car was a 69 Torino GT fastback with 351 Windsor 4 speed. Nothing like the 428, but it still performed well. It even handled really well for it's time.
Title: Cobra Jet Loosing it's Grunt
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 28, 2017, 07:35:36 AM
Yeah lots of these were raped of their drive train and left for dead, most went into Mustangs...

The '69 4bbl 351 Windsors with Toploader were a great all round combo... All the ones I've seen had the 2.78 1st gear wide ratio trans, gave good grunt out of the hole, had a Fairlane 500 with that combo & 3.25 gear...

Poor Windsor never got much fanfare as for '70 the Cleveland was in the limelight and wasn't even a 4bbl option for Windsor... Of course history has proved the Windsor as the better performance platform...
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Post by: thunderjet302 on March 28, 2017, 05:16:02 PM
The steering components look really good. Did you restore them or send them out?
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 28, 2017, 06:15:09 PM
The tie rods, adj links, idler arm, cylinder boot & hoses are all new... I either bead blasted and/or wire wheeled everything else, then rebuilt/inspected and painted as necessary... Still not finished, went a little nutso and removed the steel chafing guard wrap from old hoses and restored those, getting ready to install them on the new hoses... Unless maybe some concours Stang hoses, those are not usually on replacement hoses(Comet is getting by with plastic wrap)... The install is about 90% finished, should light it off in a couple hours...

Here's a video on rebuilding control valve, looks like a py job, my stuff was sanitary when it went back together... Yeah I should have taken pict of mine, but when i'm in middle of something like this, I couldn't be bothered...

http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/drivetrain/mump-0210-how-to-rebuild-your-power-steering-control-valve/photo-gallery/#46
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 30, 2017, 10:06:53 AM
Well we be steerin' with power!!!  Once I got the toe-in back in spec it's good, though issues with worn lower control arm bushings are obvious...  Arms are already on order...
Title: Cobra Jet Loosing it's Grunt
Post by: thunderjet302 on March 30, 2017, 11:22:56 PM
At least it'll be easier to park ;)
Title: Cobra Jet Loosing it's Grunt
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 03, 2017, 11:16:15 AM
Quote from: thunderjet302;460100
At least it'll be easier to park ;)
I gotta relearn how to drive it!! I'm used to pulling it back in second and yanking the steering wheel with both hands to get around corners, turned into my driveway etc... No I ain't complanin', no doubt I'll get the hang of one hand steering... Made a few test runs and a short cruise yesterday, got about 50 miles on it...

Lower control arms ar here, waiting on upper ball joints...
Title: Cobra Jet Loosing it's Grunt
Post by: tommym on April 06, 2017, 02:57:25 PM
Beautiful Fairlane. What type of fuel do you run in it?
I bought a demo 69 Roadrunner in 70 when I got out of the Army. Just like your car- 440, 4 speed, Dana 60, 410 gears, no power steering. Didn't need it to go in a straight line.
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Title: Cobra Jet Loosing it's Grunt
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 06, 2017, 07:57:56 PM
Nice!! I like... If not for the Road Runners my car would not exist...

I run everyday unleaded 93 octane... Heads have hardened valve seats and I installed the .039 compressed(I think that's figure) head gaskets in place of the .010 factory steel shim gaskets...
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Post by: tommym on April 06, 2017, 11:51:02 PM
Figured you'd have to do something with the compression to be able to drive it today.

I still have a 72 440 and an Art Carr Torqueflite with a reverse pattern Cheeta valve body in my garage. Heads have been rebuilt with hardened seats, block only has 27,000 on it, no ridge. One of these days- when I get to my 3rd childhood?

I ran against a 429 Fairlane at Carlsbad Raceway. Beat him once out of 5. Also had a friend with a transplanted 427 in a Torino. Both nasty cars.
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 08, 2017, 09:45:15 AM
They sold a nice '69 Roadrunner with 440 & 4-speed at Barrett-Jackson yesterday for $51K...
Title: Cobra Jet Loosing it's Grunt
Post by: tommym on April 08, 2017, 04:16:19 PM
I've been to Barrett Jackson the last 3 years when they come to town. The cars are are amazing- along with the prices. To think I paid $3200 for my Roadrunner. Had 1200 miles on it when I bought it.

Seeing as you have a Comet thought you'd enjoy the attached picture. It was at Barrett Jackson last October.

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Title: Cobra Jet Loosing it's Grunt
Post by: tommym on April 08, 2017, 04:29:04 PM
Here's a couple more from last October-

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Title: Torino
Post by: tommym on April 08, 2017, 04:31:58 PM
Don't know what the Torino sold for but I bet it would be a handful on the street.

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Title: Cobra Jet Loosing it's Grunt
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on September 01, 2017, 03:18:09 PM
Well I'm back at it(or was, finished now)... Except for upper ball joints that I did over three months ago, I've been neglect on replacing the lower control arms(too hot for me)... Finally happened this week, installed new LCA, strut rod bushings and stabilizer bar bushing... Also now have a working oil pressure gauge again... The old T fitting interfered with the P/S pump lines, so had to come up with a slightly different configuration...

Right control arm was already in place when I took photo...

(https://s26.postimg.org/4yjrymcux/cobrafrontend2_034.jpg)

Bushings in orig arms had long ago seen better days... The WHAM in RF on a moderate bump is gone now..

(https://s26.postimg.org/hsrh2tlzt/cobralcaold2.png)
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Post by: ZondaC12 on September 26, 2017, 05:04:38 PM
I can't stop looking at your header-to-shock-tower clearance. Or lack thereof.

I remember first seeing a big block 'Stang and realizing 10 lbs of shiznit in a 5 lb bag is nothing new.
Title: Cobra Jet Loosing it's Grunt
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on October 03, 2017, 03:49:15 PM
Just had her 49th birthday...

(https://s1.postimg.org/350t7jml4f/cobra10117.jpg)

Feelin' kinda spry...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTz1NXdu2b0
Title: Cobra Jet Loosing it's Grunt
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on December 09, 2017, 02:42:30 PM
Last weekend we went on a cruise with the early Shelby guys...

(https://s17.postimg.org/47pv57d8f/Shelby_Tour_Dec2017_tomcobra.jpg)

AND I mean a REAL cruise...

(https://s17.postimg.org/6fvtlkdfz/Shelby_Tour_Dec2017_tomcobraferry.jpg)
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Post by: ZondaC12 on December 12, 2017, 09:54:33 PM
Sounds spry alright!!!
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on January 11, 2018, 10:33:52 PM
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Sounds spry alright!!!


I just got out of the stockade for doing burnouts down in NC...

'em sumbitches are mean...

(https://s18.postimg.org/vslja26jt/camdensnip.jpg)
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Post by: bootleggers deluxe on January 12, 2018, 12:51:44 AM
looking good man, I also had my 68 torino out today, but the tire spinning was due to the freezing rain.

BTW, I understand the convenience of having power steering/power brakes, but i think my car feels great with manual steer/ manual brakes.  I would have never guessed manual 4 wheel discs would bite so hard. Maybe the big block makes the car feel a lot more sluggish in turns, but im pondering taking on the autocross course with my manual gearbox!
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on January 12, 2018, 12:16:33 PM
Quote from: bootleggers deluxe;464237
looking good man, I also had my 68 torino out today, but the tire spinning was due to the freezing rain.

BTW, I understand the convenience of having power steering/power brakes, but i think my car feels great with manual steer/ manual brakes.  I would have never guessed manual 4 wheel discs would bite so hard. Maybe the big block makes the car feel a lot more sluggish in turns, but im pondering taking on the autocross course with my manual gearbox!

If your car originally had P/S it has the faster 16:1 ratio steering sector...

On the highway manual steering is fine, drove it to IA in '76 VIA downtown Chicago... Nowadays it mostly sees show/cruise duty... Original manual steering wasn't hard to steer, just pitifully slow, something like 5½ turns lock to lock... A P/S sector reduces that to 3½ turns but makes steering far stiffer(especially with approx 750 lbs of FE over the wheels)... I added the P/S sector in '91, drove it to Carlisle & New Castle PA, Hagerstown MD, Kingsport TN etc no issus, still it's far more pleasant with full P/S system...

For an example of how much more pleasantly it drives, from April '02(it's last state inspection) till I added P/S in March, it had acspoogeulated 1394 miles... That's a couple weeks short of 15 years... From April till end of Dec, it's logged 1473 miles...  All on the 26 year old Goodyears, new tires are in the plans for '18...
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Post by: thunderjet302 on January 12, 2018, 03:47:18 PM
You need to drive your Torino more, since you live in a "warm" climate. I put at least 1k miles a year on my Thunderbird. I should drive it more but there's that pesky weather condition that makes 5 or so months out of the year not conducive to driving... 
The 70-71's have always been my favorite. I'd love a 70-71 Torino in Grabber Green with a ram air 429.
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on January 12, 2018, 07:17:24 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;464250
You need to drive your Torino more, since you live in a "warm" climate. I put at least 1k miles a year on my Thunderbird. I should drive it more but there's that pesky weather condition that makes 5 or so months out of the year not conducive to driving... 
The 70-71's have always been my favorite. I'd love a 70-71 Torino in Grabber Green with a ram air 429.

The stockade pict was taken New Years eve down in  NC, probably 90 mi round trip, temp was a little below freezing... It got cold after that, a couple days were only in teens with lows of 8-10*... Then we got a foot of snow that hung around for over a week, mostly finished melting today when it hit into low 70s... Needless to say she hasn't seen the pavement this year, guessing I'll put another 200-300 miles before end of March...

Grabber Green is cool, but profile of those look too much like Chevelles to me... Note only '70 had the real Grabber green, '71 was somewhat metallic(something I learned fairly recently myself)...
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Post by: bootleggers deluxe on January 12, 2018, 11:31:23 PM
maybe the difference between yours and mine is that your 69 is VERY nice, and my 68 is a beater, but i got mine in September, and have put over 5000 miles on it.

still, i totally envy the utter shaginess of yours.  it's sharp, man.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on January 13, 2018, 12:31:42 AM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;464257
The stockade pict was taken New Years eve down in  NC, probably 90 mi round trip, temp was a little below freezing... It got cold after that, a couple days were only in teens with lows of 8-10*... Then we got a foot of snow that hung around for over a week, mostly finished melting today when it hit into low 70s... Needless to say she hasn't seen the pavement this year, guessing I'll put another 200-300 miles before end of March...

Grabber Green is cool, but profile of those look too much like Chevelles to me... Note only '70 had the real Grabber green, '71 was somewhat metallic(something I learned fairly recently myself)...

Well at least you don't get salt with the cold/snow...

You have traction issues when it's that cold? When it's below about 50° I can spin the tires on my Thunderbird with anything over half throttle below about 45 mph or so. It's a little weird.
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on January 13, 2018, 07:31:09 AM
Quote from: thunderjet302;464261
Well at least you don't get salt with the cold/snow...

You have traction issues when it's that cold? When it's below about 50° I can spin the tires on my Thunderbird with anything over half throttle below about 45 mph or so. It's a little weird.
With those old tires that are about like leather, it has traction issues at any temp... Clutch dump at 3000 rpms produces instant smoke... I'd buy another set but Goodyear discontinued the ST radials 20 years ago.. Going to have to buy a repop tire from Kelsey or pen 15er to look correct...

I drove the Bird on Nittos when it was around freezing, traction was similar to if they'd been greased... Spun so badly from a 25 mph punch, I thought the transmission was slipping...

Quote from: bootleggers deluxe;464260
maybe the difference between yours and mine is that your 69 is VERY nice, and my 68 is a beater, but i got mine in September, and have put over 5000 miles on it.

still, i totally envy the utter shaginess of yours.  it's sharp, man.

Thanks, 'ppreciate it... With a little paint you could have a nice one...

I'm about halfway considering a '69 Fairlane coupe with 302... Already has a rebuilt AOD trans and I have a fresh 347 settin' in the garage... The Cobra's were based on bottom rung Fairlane, only difference is blackout grille & addition of wheel well moldings...
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Post by: jcassity on January 13, 2018, 11:52:15 AM
i tried, i can no longer refrain...........

one day i will steal that car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

going back in hiding now
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Post by: jcassity on January 13, 2018, 11:53:40 AM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;464234
I just got out of the stockade for doing burnouts down in NC...

'em sumbitches are mean...

(https://s18.postimg.org/vslja26jt/camdensnip.jpg)


dang,, mised what was likely my only opportunity
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Post by: thunderjet302 on January 13, 2018, 12:16:49 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;464262
With those old tires that are about like leather, it has traction issues at any temp... Clutch dump at 3000 rpms produces instant smoke... I'd buy another set but Goodyear discontinued the ST radials 20 years ago.. Going to have to buy a repop tire from Kelsey or pen 15er to look correct...

I drove the Bird on Nittos when it was around freezing, traction was similar to if they'd been greased... Spun so badly from a 25 mph punch, I thought the transmission was slipping.

I've got 10 year old Firestone Firehawks on my Thunderbird. I had it out in early November this year when it was around 40° out. I was rolling along at 30mph and punched it to pass someone. The engine revved up but the car didn't move. At first I thought the trans was slipping but no the rear wheels were just spinning away. In the summer if I go half throttle from a stop the converter flashes to 2800rpm and the car just smokes the tires and goes sideways. Old tires make the thing seem like it's got a 500hp big block...


Back to your Torino though. Is it a bench seat car or console car? I know it's not a Super Cobra Jet but I can't remember if you've still got the stock gears in it.
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on January 13, 2018, 12:21:01 PM
Quote from: jcassity;464264
dang,, mised what was likely my only opportunity

I put out a plea for bail money to some of the local guys and daughter...

They all laughed at me and daughter said it was too cold...
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on January 13, 2018, 12:27:12 PM
Quote from: jcassity;464264
dang,, mised what was likely my only opportunity
I put out a plea for bail money to some of the local guys and daughter...

They all laughed at me and daughter said it was too cold...

Quote from: thunderjet302;464266
Back to your Torino though. Is it a bench seat car or console car? I know it's not a Super Cobra Jet but I can't remember if you've still got the stock gears in it.


Buckets & console, no not a great pict but only one I have at moment...

At moment it has a 3.00 T-L gear, I'm reinstalling 3.50 when it warms up a bit...

(https://s18.postimg.org/y09j2xufd/cobraradioconsole.jpg)
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Post by: 50RACER on January 13, 2018, 12:55:08 PM
Quote from: jcassity;464263
i tried, i can no longer refrain...........

one day i will steal that car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

going back in hiding now

What he said! I love the 69 Cobra!
Title: Cobra Jet Loosing it's Grunt
Post by: jcassity on January 13, 2018, 02:45:22 PM
Quote from: 50RACER;464271
What he said! I love the 69 Cobra!


we shall conspire

you come in from his north west,
 mason will approach from his west
I shall take em from his south west via route 460

we need someone to come in from the deleware side though..