Running!!! - With Qwuirks...

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Running!!! - With Qwuirks...

July 19, 2007, 11:07:50 PM

Ugh...
Well i went out to start the 'bird, As it has it has been sitting too long without being started.
And she wont start for me.

She just does a "click-click" noise when you go to start it.
I changed out the starter relay and no change, The negative battery cable has been changed out as well, And all connections are tight and secure.
I'm getting plenty of power, No drains when i try to start or anything (I even hooked up a battery charger to extra juice it).

I'm not sure what to check next... From the driver side turning the key myself it sounded like the clicking was coming from behind the starter relay, near the firewall area? Hard to tell though as i was at the drivers side turning the key myself. :hick:

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Reply #1 – July 19, 2007, 11:13:43 PM

starter or starter solinoid i would guess

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Reply #2 – July 19, 2007, 11:19:55 PM

Starter

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Reply #3 – July 19, 2007, 11:25:54 PM

I was hoping for almost anything but that...
I'm headed to the JY tomorrow, I guess ill grab one off the 83 if it's still there, Hopefully it's not too hard to get off a JY Car?

Anything else i should check before i dig into the Starter?

I'm also having a few electrical qwuirks, I'm not sure what's causing them.
When i do random things like play with the parking brake, Or play with the ignition, My check engine and Battery lights turn on and off randomly on my cluster.
And my overhead light and floor foot lights are at a constant on...

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Reply #4 – July 19, 2007, 11:27:37 PM

get one off a newer 5.0. If your going to do it go with a mini starter.

As for the electrical stuff I don't know for sure but I woudl guess a ground

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Reply #5 – July 20, 2007, 04:49:23 PM

Quote from: 84 Fila;162051

get one off a newer 5.0. If your going to do it go with a mini starter.

As for the electrical stuff I don't know for sure but I woudl guess a ground

Ok, theres a 5.0 fox cougar and the '83 Was a 5.0 if it's still in there.
Any other cars with interchangeable starters?
Theres like 3-4 MN12 T-Birds in there right now, 1 MN12 Cougar and a ton of Escorts.

Didn't make it in today, Since it's pouring rain all of the sudden... >.<

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Reply #6 – July 20, 2007, 04:51:45 PM

I got mine from a 5.0 explorer. Here is a writeup on coolcats for ya to read.
Here ya go

Enjoy

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Reply #7 – July 20, 2007, 05:02:29 PM

Thanks, I'm having problems accessing coolcats lately though... Is it just me?

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Reply #8 – July 20, 2007, 05:16:23 PM

Worked fine for me. I'll help ya out a bit:
For All 1983-88 Cougars and Thunderbirds

Thanks to Ed for contributing this article.

In 1989 Ford began using a newer style starter called the “Permanent Magnet Gear Reduction” starter. It weighs half as much as the old style starter (the old one is about 30 lbs, and this one is about 15!), provides more torque, and requires less juice to operate it. This upgrade is a win/win situation all around. The PMGR starter can be had purchased from your local salvage yard for as low as $20. Here’s a list of potential donor vehicles for the better starter:

Vehicles that use the PMGR starter compatible with the 3.8L, 5.0L, and 5.8L:

(1996-92) Ford Bronco 4.9L, 5.0L, 5.8L w/ AT
(2002-92) Ford E Series 4.2L, 4.9L, 5.0L, 5.8L
(1998-92) Ford F Series 4.2L, 4.9L, 5.0L, 5.8L
(1991-90) Ford LTD Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis 5.0L
(2003-94) Ford Mustang 3.8L
(1995-92) Ford Mustang 5.0L
(1997-90) Ford Thunderbird 3.8L, 5.0L
(1992-90) Lincoln Mark VII 5.0L
(1990) Lincoln Town Car 5.0L
(1997-89) Mercury Cougar 3.8L, 5.0L
Vehicles that use the PMGR starter compatible with the 2.3L:

(1993-92) Ford Mustang 2.3L
(2002-91) Ford Ranger 2.3L, 2.5L
(1999-94) Mazda Pickup 2.3L, 2.5L
You could also purchase this new from your local auto parts store. Just give them the year and model and engine size of one of the above examples. New, they range from about $85 US and up.

There is one wiring change that must be made for the new starter to work on your car. Here’s a picture of that change

Hope ya don't mine Eric

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Reply #9 – July 20, 2007, 05:33:46 PM

Thanks man.
After you said it was working fine, I played around with my router and modem and now the sites loading fine, Router has been giving me problems lately. >.<

Anyway, I'm definatley gonna hit up one of the 90-93 MN12 Birds at the yard for one of these.

BTW, How hard was it to get the old starter out Fila?
One of my manuals was talking about having to jack the car up, Then unbolt an engine rail or something, Then raise the engine/tranny up enough to get clearance to remove the thing...

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Reply #10 – July 20, 2007, 08:46:52 PM

You'll have to jack the car up to get yourself underneath it (remember to support it with stands!) but that's it. Otherwise you'll need a ratchet with a long extension or two to reach the top starter bolt. After that it's pretty simple. No other removals necessary.

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Reply #11 – July 20, 2007, 10:21:33 PM

I have done it layin on my back under the car with out even lifting the car but I'm a skinny little thing. Like Brian said you need some extentions or if you get creative, remove the passanger wheel and reach throught the strut tower to get the top bolt. I used 2 2" ententions and a deep well 1/2" to get the bolts that was as I didn't have enought ot go by the motor mount. It's not hard, should take less then an hour to change out.

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Reply #12 – July 20, 2007, 10:52:03 PM

its a shiznit load easier on a 5.0 then a 3.8. Unless you have done it on a 3.8 you cant talk.

I could do mine on my 86 5.0 in 10 mins. the 3.8 sucks. I broke a motor mount and only got one bolt all the way tight... and that took about 5 hours...

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Reply #13 – July 20, 2007, 11:06:47 PM

Well i'll be getting the starter off a 5.0 at the yard then, And then sounds like the real fun begins with my car...

I'm gonna see if schucks or somewhere does starter testing before i install the "new" one.

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Reply #14 – July 21, 2007, 12:03:55 AM

Napa and autozone both do the testing IIRC

As for teh 3.8 I have never done it, only on a 5.0