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Title: 408 stroker project (Sold 4/2020)
Post by: Bob on March 30, 2008, 08:40:38 PM
I'm finally getting some work done on my xr-7. I've been pretty busy the last couple months just selling parts and getting all my parts in order.

I pulled the 351w from the xr-7 and its at the machine shop waiting patiently in line. The ported trickflow heads from the cougar and my edelbrock heads from the tbird are also at the machine shop getting totally redone. My orgional plan was to sell these two sets of heads and buy a set of AFR 185's. After talking to my head guy he's leaning toward the ported trickflows.

I have to still kick it around some more but it looks like the ported trickflows will be used on the 351. Once the Edelbrocks come back they will be totally rebuilt, valve job etc.. so if anyone needs a great set of heads here's your chance. I will post them here first w/ 1.6 Ford motor sport roller rockers.

I've been busy with the rest of the car while the parts are at the machine shop. I ordered all the brake parts for the 11" fronts, the interior is almost complete. So between the suspension and brake work I got work to do for the next month while I'm waiting for the block.

I scored a trickflow r intake on ebay this past week and I got it yesterday, Looks pretty cool. At least I have something to bolt some parts to now. It will make my parts pile shrink alittle bit.

Next update will be next sunday heres a couple pics
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on March 30, 2008, 08:43:47 PM
heres my intake pics :)

:burnout:
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daboss351 on March 30, 2008, 11:18:45 PM
hot!!!!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on April 09, 2008, 09:57:01 PM
Heres an update I got the lower intake just about assembled. The interior is starting to shape up, I just need to add a radio and couple trim pieces. Carpets are now clean, all the dirt and acorns are cleaned up. Semi-new leather front seats. I bought a  load of rattle cans from eastwood. I got paint for the engine bay, alum parts, headers, oil pan, etc. So I got the engine bay all clean and just about ready for primer. I'm not going bananas with trying to get the engine bay perfect most of it will be covered up with stuff. I'm going black with the engine bay cause the whole car will be painted black some day. I don't think that will happen this year.

I've  made a major change with the engine combo. I talked to my machine shop guy and Jay Allen from Camshaft Innovations this week about my new plans of building a 408 stroker for the cougar. My conversation with Jay Allen went really well and I will be going with a custom cam by his company.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on April 09, 2008, 09:59:04 PM
couple more pics
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thundr306 on April 12, 2008, 08:00:00 PM
Nice! What trans are you going to be using?
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daboss351 on April 12, 2008, 08:02:48 PM
Wow
that car cleaned up  good!!!
the paint, interior, all looks amazing!!! Your doing a great job!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thunderjet302 on April 12, 2008, 08:04:14 PM
How much HP/TQ you expecting to make?
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: vinnietbird on April 12, 2008, 08:09:58 PM
That's insane.I love it.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on April 12, 2008, 09:02:38 PM
Quote from: thundr306;213729
Nice! What trans are you going to be using?


I got a tremec 3550

Quote from: daboss351;213731
Wow
that car cleaned up  good!!!
the paint, interior, all looks amazing!!! Your doing a great job!


The paint is still py, the other side has alot more patches of clearcoat missing. I don't care though, I just want everything running good by the summertime.

Quote from: thunderjet302;213732
How much HP/TQ you expecting to make?


I have no idea, when I get with with Jay again on phone I'll ask him for an est.

Quote from: vinnietbird;213736
That's insane.I love it.


Thanks, I can't wait to get the block back from the machine shop.

I'll get some pics of the heads when they come back from the machine shop. I'm going to use the ported trickflows that came with the cougar when I bought it. I was first concerned that the trickflows would be too small and never even considered stroking my 351w but after speaking to Jay Allen he assures me that the over all combo will be still very good. His cam should really bring it all together nicely.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on April 21, 2008, 01:34:11 PM
Got some work done today. Engine bay is about as good as I can get it. Once the engine is back in there most of it will be covered anyway. I just have to take all that red wire loom off and its done.

The two sets of heads are done and the block is cleaned up and bored. The Jay Allen cam is ordered and being made. All I have left is to order the 408 stroker kit. I'm busting my ass painting houses and doing side jobs trying to get enough money up to order the forged kit. I wanted the forged crank over the cast but we'll see. I have to get it soon I don't want to mess up my place in line at the machine shop.

Here's some pics:
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on April 21, 2008, 01:35:41 PM
couple more
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daboss351 on April 21, 2008, 02:37:19 PM
Looks good for a quicky!
Good work man! Motors more important anyway!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on April 21, 2008, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: daboss351;215047
Looks good for a quicky!
Good work man! Motors more important anyway!


I put like 4 hours into doing that, it sure didn't feel like a quicky. I couldn't imagine doing the 30-40 hours it takes to fill in all the holes and painting it right without a rattle can.

I'm happy with it though, most of it will be covered up by the 408 and all its fuel injection stuff.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daboss351 on April 22, 2008, 02:48:59 PM
Well quicky as opposed to pulling the harness and suspension and everything. Came out good, and Im sure that motor is gonna look SWEET so it doesnt matter.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on May 06, 2008, 10:26:08 PM
Just waiting on the rods they had to be shipped separately from the crank and other parts. I'm dropping everything off at the machine shop Monday. I'll bring them guys some Donuts to get the in the mood for me to take some pics in the machine shop. Here's my parts pile which keep growing weekly :)

pics show my 11" brake upgrade parts, and bottom end of the 408. The stroker kit is a forged eagle kit from adperformance, w/ 22 cc probe pistons. Compression will be ~10.3-1. Hopefully I'll have more pics Monday

**edit**

Last pic shows my cam card :D
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daboss351 on May 06, 2008, 11:27:11 PM
sweet!!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: superpinto on May 14, 2008, 02:04:26 AM
thats bad ass!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on May 14, 2008, 06:25:05 AM
Thanks guys, its moving along. I dropped off all the engine parts to my machine guy and picked up the Edelbrocks yesterday. Still waiting on my balancer, rods, and lifters. He did a great job rebuilding the trickflow heads they look brand spanking new!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daboss351 on May 18, 2008, 11:33:45 AM
any updates? Im curious to how much power your gonna get out of this motor, since its close to what I want to run in my stang!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on May 18, 2008, 02:24:43 PM
The rods are holding me up, all the parts came in and I dropped everything off to the machine shop. Just need these effin rods. I have to call adperformance tomorrow. I hope they shipped by now.

I really don't want to get into the whole guessing game with hp claims. When its running right I will take it to the track and start working on getting the power to the tires. I need better tires, more gear, and practice before the numbers I want to see will come.

I did ask Jay Allen how much power he would guess. He wouldn't really get into giving a number. He did say, " you will have 10 second power and what you do with it is up to you" So I don't know can I hook up and launch it hard enough to get the most out of it. There is a guy on the corral that runs a 408 w/ stock tw heads, small cam, and runs 10.30's so I guess it is possible for me to run in the 10's in the cougar with my 408 and ported tw heads.

All of my cash went into building the 408 shortblock, it is my base or foundation. Down the road I do plan on better heads,more injector, maybe a 200 shot of nitrous. These are all possibilities that I discussed with my cam guy and my cam that I have now will always welcome more airflow. So my wallet is the limit :)
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: bhazard on May 18, 2008, 02:32:22 PM
Wow, that car has a lot of red. The dash trim and steering wheel kinda stick out though in an interior with that much red.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daboss351 on May 18, 2008, 02:35:20 PM
Nice!!
does the car have a 8.8 in it already?
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on May 18, 2008, 06:01:26 PM
Quote from: bhazard;219631
Wow, that car has a lot of red. The dash trim and steering wheel kinda stick out though in an interior with that much red.


Hopefully next year it black :)


Quote from: daboss351;219634
Nice!!
does the car have a 8.8 in it already?


Yeah 8.8 with 3.08's. I'll either have gears installed or go with a tc 373 rear.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daboss351 on May 18, 2008, 06:04:21 PM
i got a 8.8 in my tc in kitzmiller md
it was a standard though so i think its a 3.55
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on June 05, 2008, 07:40:30 PM
Finally an update:

All my parts are in. The machine shop has everything as of today :). He said about 2 weeks. So maybe July 4th weekend I'll have it in and running. We'll see.

I picked up a 8.8 3.27 rear to hold me off till something better comes along. Should be better than the 3.08's it has now.

So lots of work should get done Sunday/Monday. I got this rear and rear suspension I'm going to try and get done Sunday, and Monday or the following weekend. I hear it going to be hot as hell this weekend so I might only get the rear done.

I might drop my gas tank and drain it. Not sure if I need to or not. I might just run the pump till its dry. I'll use that 3 year old gas in the lawn mower.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daboss351 on June 05, 2008, 09:08:29 PM
Nice!!! cant wait to get enought money to get my new motor built!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on July 23, 2008, 12:04:53 AM
Well I'm back, I had some setbacks with parts and getting wrong parts. All of that is in the past. The shortblock should be done this week so its almost time.

Here's some of the stuff I did the last couple of days to get back into the swing of things.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on July 23, 2008, 12:06:47 AM
couple more. I should have some pics of the engine soon... I'm keeping my fingers crossed that nothing else happens :burnout:
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: 86T-bird on July 23, 2008, 12:05:25 PM
Bob, 

Glad to hear you are back on track!  I can relate to the Pain and Frustration of getting a project together.

The accessories look great and I like that bell housing. 

Which trans is it?
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on July 23, 2008, 01:16:07 PM
The bell housing is mcleod and the tranny is a tremec 3550. Hopefully I have the shortblock y Saturday because I leave for vacation on Sunday (bad timing I know) oh well I waited this long another week isn't going to hurt anything. I would mind picking it up and getting it on the stand and starting with some assembley before Sunday.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Carpimp1987 on July 23, 2008, 04:14:30 PM
Looking good keep it up.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on July 23, 2008, 07:49:38 PM
I talked to the machine shop today. I'll have the engine tomorrow or Friday it all depends if I can get there around lunchtime tomorrow :)
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Carpimp1987 on July 24, 2008, 02:30:39 AM
It happens oh well that 408 will be super nice. Even with a fixed up 302 you can still go pick on bikes and vetts and a new lancer EVO so with your car you should be able to kick some @$$.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on July 26, 2008, 09:33:47 PM
Everything is in my garage! Finally its done. Now I jsut have to put the rest of the motor together and drop it in.

Here's some pics of the stuff.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on July 26, 2008, 09:35:55 PM
couple more.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thundr306 on July 26, 2008, 10:08:10 PM
Nice!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: DVP on July 26, 2008, 10:57:49 PM
Cant Wait to see it in!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on July 26, 2008, 11:14:29 PM
Yeah me too, only thing that sucks is I'm taking the family to the NJ s tomorrow till Friday, bad timing. Next Sunday it should be in. I'm about 2 weeks from running
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: DVP on July 27, 2008, 01:24:48 AM
atleast youll have it up before the tracks close!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Carpimp1987 on July 27, 2008, 02:01:59 PM
that will be nice i just hope my cougar is done before winter.

Will you post a video up when you get it running?
Title: Similiar Ideas
Post by: Charles Crooks on July 28, 2008, 07:08:22 PM
I too am trying to complete my 88 TC 408.  I am using 69 windsor block, comp cams 569 - 579 roller stroker cam  Tfs Street heat intake,
all forged innards  tfs 185 heads with up graded springs, 42 lb injectors 255lph fuel pump AN 9 and an 8 lines and mallory fuel rails.
MSD digital ignition and Lentek AOD 
It's not very pretty yet, but I will post some pics shortly.  By the way, even after careful measuring I screwed up on the height of the intake and had to buy a Rousch 1 1/2 hood scoop to clear the front of the intake.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on July 28, 2008, 11:14:48 PM
Quote from: Charles Crooks;229525
I too am trying to complete my 88 TC 408.  I am using 69 windsor block, comp cams 569 - 579 roller stroker cam  Tfs Street heat intake,
all forged innards  tfs 185 heads with up graded springs, 42 lb injectors 255lph fuel pump AN 9 and an 8 lines and mallory fuel rails.
MSD digital ignition and Lentek AOD 
It's not very pretty yet, but I will post some pics shortly.  By the way, even after careful measuring I screwed up on the height of the intake and had to buy a Rousch 1 1/2 hood scoop to clear the front of the intake.


Cool another 408 on the board! Definatly get some pics up I'd like to see them. I think I'll need to play with the hood too with some kind of scoop or something till I get some cash for a cowl hood. What 408 kit did you go with? I got the forged eagle kit w/ probe pistons should be around 10.3-1 w/ my heads.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 29, 2008, 07:38:15 PM
Oooo purdy :D

Some one here got an EFI 351 to fit under the stock hood. I think they used a GT40 tubular intake though.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on July 29, 2008, 08:57:43 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;229719
Oooo purdy :D

Some one here got an EFI 351 to fit under the stock hood. I think they used a GT40 tubular intake though.


I think that intake is 1.5" shorter than the tfs-r intake. I did see a turbo coupe on ebay in the past year with a 351w and tfs-r intake so I think its going to be close. I might have to just use some spacers on the hood bolts to pump up the rear and inch or so. Or just cut a hole and bolt-on a cheap hood scoop for now.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on August 21, 2008, 06:57:28 AM
Small update, engine is almost fully assembled. I'm putting the lower intake and valve covers on today. I layed them on the block last night before I went to bed and took a couple pics.

I had trouble fitting the pioneer balancer on the night before. I made some measurements on the crank and some on the balancer and it looks like the balancer needs to be honed a little bit. The instructions for the balancer had a chart for the acceptable interference and I was not within the specs. I'm bringing the balancer and my crank measurements to the machine shop today and see what my machinist suggests.

I want to get this running by labor day weekend. So I can get it broken in and to the track end October early November.

Here's a couple pics, hopefully I'll have pics of it with a car wrapped around it soon ;)
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 21, 2008, 10:56:45 AM
Purdy :D
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daboss351 on August 21, 2008, 10:59:37 AM
thats just awesome
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Privateer on August 21, 2008, 03:56:13 PM
Man after looking at that I can't stand up for at least 10 minutes :D
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: 1WLD BRD on August 21, 2008, 04:01:44 PM
very nice...  man I wish that was infront of my T5....  :(
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: 5.8fastcat on August 23, 2008, 10:39:20 PM
Looking good.

 Check your throttle linkage braket for clearnce on the valve covers
before you get it set in the car. Dur to lack of clearance  for the hood you wont be able to raise the upper  enough for the trottle bracket. I had to cut mine and shorten it. Just another stumbbling block in the road.

 Just try to help
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on August 24, 2008, 12:09:26 AM
Quote from: 5.8fastcat;233396
Looking good.

 Check your throttle linkage braket for clearnce on the valve covers
before you get it set in the car. Dur to lack of clearance  for the hood you wont be able to raise the upper  enough for the trottle bracket. I had to cut mine and shorten it. Just another stumbbling block in the road.

 Just try to help


Cool thanks for the heads up. Yeah there's been alot of stumbbling blocks in this project. I was already to drop it in tomorrow and I noticed one of the heads is missing the Thermactor Plug, no biggie I picked one up today, I went to screw it in and found the remainder of the old plug still in the head partially destoyed with a hole in it. I'm guessing that head was on the other side of the motor because the emissions tube was hooked up and it didn't cause any problems. Well I need the threaded plug to hang my accessory bracket so I need to drill/tap out the remainder of the plug tomorrow. First silly balancer issues and now this. Oh well at this point I'll be happy if it sees the track by October and I get some runs in this year.

Hey btw when is the pinks all out episode I didn't want to miss it.
Title: Its finally in.
Post by: Bob on September 16, 2008, 09:56:59 AM
I finally got the engine and tranny in with the help of my good friend Erik. We dropped the motor and tranny together and I have to say I'll never do it any other way. It was so much easier. Just have to hook everything back up now and get my brakes and suspension work done.

I'll have more pics in a day or so. I only have a couple with me right now.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Kitz Kat on September 16, 2008, 10:11:16 AM
Lookin good,vroom vroom soon.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Chooglin on September 16, 2008, 12:33:03 PM
Looking good................me likes :bowdown:
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: DVP on September 16, 2008, 01:24:37 PM
Another step closer.  Looks even better all together
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: 50tbrd88 on September 16, 2008, 06:32:43 PM
Nice work man.  Post up some vids of that thing running when you get her going!!!!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thunderjet302 on September 16, 2008, 07:17:28 PM
Hopefully you'll be driving it soon:D

How did the long tubes fit?
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on September 16, 2008, 10:33:50 PM
thanks for the replys guys, they help because sometimes this feels never ending..

Quote from: thunderjet302;236398
Hopefully you'll be driving it soon:D

How did the long tubes fit?


I can't wait to get it started, the BBK longtubes fit good no problems. I had to take off the driverside to clear the steering shaft, than I put it back on before completely dropping it in.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daboss351 on September 16, 2008, 10:36:08 PM
god that looks shagy!!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: massCougarxr7 on September 17, 2008, 09:05:00 AM
SMOKESHOW! really nice cat.....
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: 86T-bird on September 17, 2008, 09:49:43 PM
Hey Bob, it looks great!  The rest of the work has to feel like it's manageable now.  Planning on CatJam next year?
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on September 18, 2008, 01:12:07 AM
Quote from: 86T-bird;236552
Hey Bob, it looks great!  The rest of the work has to feel like it's manageable now.  Planning on CatJam next year?


Yeah I should be at CJ next year, might not have it painted by than but it will be running good.

heres a couple more pics. Now I just need brakes, suspension, install rear,wire the starter, 3G alt, fan, neutral safety switch, radio, alarm, figure out how to close the hood :hick:
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: DVP on September 18, 2008, 11:07:58 AM
Almost there! Whats going on with the heater core hose? I have never seen one like that before but that means nothing
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on September 18, 2008, 11:42:28 AM
Quote from: cougar86_89;236608
Almost there! Whats going on with the heater core hose? I have never seen one like that before but that means nothing


you mean with the electronic piece on it? I think its so the heat doesn't run till the coolant is warm so it doesn't blow cold air.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Kitz Kat on September 21, 2008, 10:04:13 AM
Is it alive yet?
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on September 21, 2008, 10:24:47 AM
Quote from: cougar86_89;236608
Almost there! Whats going on with the heater core hose? I have never seen one like that before but that means nothing

Temp sensor for the EATC...

Quote from: Bob;236576
Now I need tofigure out how to close the hood :hick:

That's easy, just climb on the hood and...(http://mysite.verizon.net/turbocoupe50/jumping0018.gif)

BTW, she's lookin' GOOD...
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: 347Thunder on October 02, 2008, 12:50:34 PM
any new progress... looking good I always liked trickflow valve covers
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thunderjet302 on October 02, 2008, 04:59:36 PM
Looking good :D

I see you've done the distributor mod ;)
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thundr306 on October 02, 2008, 09:53:55 PM
Looking good. Remember if yours gets done first, you owe me that ride.

Jim
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: DVP on October 02, 2008, 10:03:07 PM
Quote from: thundr306;238191
Looking good. Remember if yours gets done first, you owe me that ride.

Jim


Speaking of which... hows that going? Do they have it now?
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on October 02, 2008, 10:04:16 PM
Thanks for the kind words.... I do have some progress this is one of those things you take one step forward and than two steps back. I knew it wasn't going to be easy. I am moving forward though its just been a slow process.

I've been dealing with lots of issues with the wiring harness under the hood. The previous owner was a firm believer of "twist and tape" for all his connections and that works in a jam as a quickie but after time (2-3 years) the tape falls off and all you have is bare wire waiting to hit a ground somewhere.

I've been soldering and shrink wrapping wire everywhere under the hood and under the car. I had to completely re-wire the WOT A/C relay because the wires were left next to the header un-protected from the heat and were all melted and burt.

Also I just noticed my engine that has never ran yet has developed an oil leak. Not at the gasket but on the pan at the front sump it looks it took a hit on the last setup and a py repair attempt of some shiznit was used to try and seal it up.

Last is the hood that will not close. I tried Tom's advice and jumping on it didn't help. I'm going to have to bite the bullet and buy a hood for it.

My next update should be of the engine running , I got my fingers crossed :)
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thundr306 on October 02, 2008, 10:08:50 PM
Quote from: DVP;238192
Speaking of which... hows that going? Do they have it now?

Not yet, I delayed it for a little...check my post soon.


Bob, that looks real nice. A/C too, huh? I like that.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on October 02, 2008, 10:10:36 PM
couple more
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daminc on October 02, 2008, 10:10:42 PM
That's looking real nice.
Why didn't you just get another harness, instead of all the repairing?
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on October 02, 2008, 10:12:36 PM
Quote from: thundr306;238195
Not yet, I delayed it for a little...check my post soon.


Bob, that looks real nice. A/C too, huh? I like that.


Hey man gotta have ice :)
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on October 02, 2008, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: daminc;238197
That's looking real nice.
Why didn't you just get another harness, instead of all the repairing?


I just been finding wires here and there. After a week I keep finding them by accident than I started looking for them and found more but I already re-did most of them. Some where cut down to the very end too nothing like just have a 1/4" of wire to work with :) It wasn't really a big deal for me just time consuming. Wiring is my strong point (I'm in the electronics field).. just like body work is for you ;)
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daboss351 on October 02, 2008, 10:28:15 PM
looks great man!!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: DVP on October 03, 2008, 12:04:05 AM
Hoods.... they're over rated.

Leak news sucks. Are you going to pull it? It is really looking good. I cant wait to see it done.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Blown306Cougar on October 03, 2008, 12:15:54 AM
Quote from: Bob;238193
Also I just noticed my engine that has never ran yet has developed an oil leak. Not at the gasket but on the pan at the front sump it looks it took a hit on the last setup and a py repair attempt of some shiznit was used to try and seal it up.

:giggle:  Bob that shiznit is JB weld.. ;)

how do i know this? it's because i did that py repair :flip: :raspberry :D back in 2002 in Bill's driveway in NJ..with a full pan oil in the motor.. he found out that the sway bar washiznitting the pan and had to lower it.. their should be spacers in the sway bar mounts for that reason..

it seems it held up pretty good for a quick fix after 6 years..

and as for the wiring was'nt me! and you can't prove it was:raspberry :D

besides when i use tape i don't use the cheap stuff i only use 3M super 88 or at least super 33

the only other time i was involved in that car was when the sub frames where installed..

Nick
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on October 03, 2008, 12:25:31 AM
Quote from: Blown306Cougar;238218
:giggle:  Bob that shiznit is JB weld.. ;)

how do i know this? it's because i did that py repair :flip: :raspberry :D back in 2002 in Bill's driveway in NJ..with a full pan oil in the motor.. he found out that the sway bar washiznitting the pan and had to lower it.. their should be spacers in the sway bar mounts for that reason..

it seems it held up pretty good for a quick fix after 6 years..

as for the wiring was'nt me! and you can't prove it was:raspberry :D

besides when i use tape i don't use the cheap stuff i only use 3M super 88 or at least super 33

Nick


LOL, cool glad to hear the JB weld lasted that long! Thats what I was going to use on it. Nice tip on the 3M super 88 tape btw. I'll have to order some of that I just read up on it at their site, sounds like good stuff.

So hows things on your end? Its been awhile.. Did you ever get that tranny replaced on the cat? Hows she been running these days?
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Post by: xjeffs on October 03, 2008, 09:29:18 PM
That looks great Bob.
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Post by: superpinto on October 04, 2008, 12:08:29 AM
looks good man.:burnout:
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on October 13, 2008, 09:11:16 AM
It shouldn't be long now. Hopefully I have it running this week, than its time to replace all the brakes and suspension parts.

My next update should have a video of the car running :burnout: I can't wait to drive it.
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on October 13, 2008, 09:46:46 AM
NICE...  but I dont think it will start with those four plug wires laying on the intake.....  ;)
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Post by: DVP on October 13, 2008, 01:18:56 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;239265
NICE...  but I dont think it will start with those four plug wires laying on the intake.....  ;)

Thats for gas mileage....

Looks better every time I look in here
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Post by: Bob on October 13, 2008, 02:26:08 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;239265
NICE...  but I dont think it will start with those four plug wires laying on the intake.....  ;)


Still doing some work on that side, I can't mount the clutch cable in the stock position because of the headers.

Quote from: DVP;239281
Thats for gas mileage....

Looks better every time I look in here


thanks, I've been chipping away at it every week.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on October 13, 2008, 04:29:11 PM
Looking good:D

What's with the orange TFI?
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Post by: Bob on October 13, 2008, 08:01:17 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;239292
Looking good:D

What's with the orange TFI?


I decorated it for Halloween... lol I thinks its aftermarket, It had a name on it I can't remember what it was. The car came with 3 distributors 2 stock 351w EFI and 1 MSD (the MSD was missing parts).
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Post by: 347Thunder on October 13, 2008, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: Bob;239318
I decorated it for Halloween... lol I thinks its aftermarket, It had a name on it I can't remember what it was. The car came with 3 distributors 2 stock 351w EFI and 1 MSD (the MSD was missing parts).


send the MSD to MSD and they will rebuild it to new for $75-$80. bucks;)
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Post by: Bob on October 13, 2008, 09:55:23 PM
Quote from: 347Thunder;239325
send the MSD to MSD and they will rebuild it to new for $75-$80. bucks;)


I was thinking the same thing. For now the stock one is cool. Once I get it running and finish the brakes and suspension I wanted to spend my money on a 4" anderson ford motorsport powerpipe.
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Post by: daboss351 on October 15, 2008, 10:54:46 AM
looks amazing!
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Post by: flipnbird on October 16, 2008, 06:41:58 AM
FRICKEN KILLER !!!................now how about that video??
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Post by: Bob on October 16, 2008, 08:33:12 AM
Quote from: flipnbird;239547
FRICKEN KILLER !!!................now how about that video??


Almost there, I still have to finish installing the MSD box. Last couple nights I been watching the Phillies so not much got done this week.
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Post by: 347Thunder on October 16, 2008, 11:55:46 AM
I restored the owner of the phillies 70' jaguar what a  rust bucket but he loved that thing. I also picked him up at the stuart airport in it nice guy(fat tip)lol
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Post by: Bob on January 05, 2009, 06:46:50 PM
EWWW! 81 days have past... I haven't had much time with work and the family on the holidays but I got some stuff done ;)

I installed the 8.8 3.27 rear, CHE rear control arms, rear mach1 springs, rear brakes and drums, hardware replaced, installed the driveshaft and shifter. Everything under the hood is done, just have to get a new battery I had to steal it for the wifes truck :)

Things left on my list are: CC plates, 11" brakes, front springs, struts etc.. basically redo all the front .

I'm currently working out a couple of issues. The hood not closing :(, the oil pan leak which I'll JB weld, and the steering knuckle ishiznitting the driver side header that I'll have to make a small 1/4" spacer for the motor mount.

Hopefully I have this thing driving around the neighborhood by the end of the month, most likely with a hole in the hood till I can afford a hood :hick:
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Post by: Bob on January 05, 2009, 06:48:12 PM
couple more
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Post by: thundr306 on January 05, 2009, 07:07:21 PM
Wow, that's not anywhere near closing. I guess removing the intake spacer won't help!
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Post by: Turbo 88 on January 05, 2009, 07:11:33 PM
It ain't anything a BFH wouldn't fix:D
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Post by: Bob on January 05, 2009, 07:43:52 PM
Quote from: thundr306;250351
Wow, that's not anywhere near closing. I guess removing the intake spacer won't help!


Yeah tell me about it, its only 3/8.. I'm thinking if I did a mustang k member with stang mounts (like Nates tbird) it would lay alot lower.

Quote from: Turbo 88;250352
It ain't anything a BFH wouldn't fix:D


BFH= big f**king hood? LOL
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thundr306 on January 05, 2009, 07:48:09 PM
I have a hood that would work, but I'm not parting with it!
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Post by: Jim_Miller on January 05, 2009, 07:53:35 PM
you don't need no stinking hood!
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Post by: Bob on January 05, 2009, 08:10:37 PM
I'm going to cut it open and get a cheap scoop for now. I can't see spending $500+ for a white primered hood that I can't paint the car this year yet anyway, unless I can find something used close by. This year will be all about getting it on the road and getting it to the track and cj09.. paint will have to wait till next year.
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Post by: daminc on January 05, 2009, 09:20:06 PM
Get a scoop and paint it black to match the black trim
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Post by: ZondaC12 on January 05, 2009, 09:36:01 PM
Quote from: Bob;250371
Yeah tell me about it, its only 3/8.. I'm thinking if I did a mustang k member with stang mounts (like Nates tbird) it would lay alot lower.
 
 
 
BFH= big f**king hood? LOL

Ummmm not quite hehe. Ill giiiiiiive you hint. It's got a handle made of wood. :D :rollin:
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Post by: SR71TC on January 09, 2009, 10:58:22 PM
Quote
Yeah tell me about it, its only 3/8.. I'm thinking if I did a mustang k member with stang mounts (like Nates tbird) it would lay alot lower.


I was with Nate when he picked up those Mustang parts....Bill Fox Auto Sales in Dover, PA. Bill threw in the K member as part of the engine and tranny that he bought, dang that was a while ago.
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on January 10, 2009, 10:18:01 AM
Quote from: Bob;250380
I'm going to cut it open and get a cheap scoop for now. I can't see spending $500+ for a white primered hood that I can't paint the car this year yet anyway, unless I can find something used close by. This year will be all about getting it on the road and getting it to the track and cj09.. paint will have to wait till next year.


It's a shame you werent closer, I would give you that hood I made that is on my XR-7 in the banner.  it is just sitting out behind my barn now....  It should clear that intake.....:D
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Post by: Bob on January 10, 2009, 11:07:56 AM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;251042
It's a shame you werent closer, I would give you that hood I made that is on my XR-7 in the banner.  it is just sitting out behind my barn now....  It should clear that intake.....:D


That would have been awsome, that hood is pretty nice. How did you make that hood?
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on January 10, 2009, 07:30:43 PM
to be honest, I forget exactly how... LOL...  lots of cutting, bending and welding. LMAO!!!  I think it started as two hoods....  then I graphed in the sheet metal TC scoops I made...
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Post by: Bob on March 25, 2009, 09:06:16 PM
just a small update.. I went to start it last weekend for the first time and looks like that old mini-starter from my old 302 setup isn't going to turn this thing fast enough to get it running. I watch the label on the serpentine belt slowly make its way around all the accessories. I got a different high-torque starter from a friend. This starter looks pretty cool compared to this tiny mini-starter...it says its good up to 12.5:1 compression so it should turn mine with no problem.

On the bright side the brakes and suspension are all done. I just need to cut a hole in the hood and slap on the scoop next.

sorry no new pics, in the next day or two I'll try this other starter... hopefully I'll post a video soon ;)
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Post by: DVP on March 26, 2009, 12:38:07 AM
Quote from: Bob;263966
just a small update.. I went to start it last weekend for the first time and looks like that old mini-starter from my old 302 setup isn't going to turn this thing fast enough to get it running. I watch the label on the serpentine belt slowly make its way around all the accessories. I got a different high-torque starter from a friend. This starter looks pretty cool compared to this tiny mini-starter...it says its good up to 12.5:1 compression so it should turn mine with no problem.

On the bright side the brakes and suspension are all done. I just need to cut a hole in the hood and slap on the scoop next.

sorry no new pics, in the next day or two I'll try this other starter... hopefully I'll post a video soon ;)


:ttiwwp:

Glad to hear you are that close. Just in time for this season too!
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Post by: Bob on May 03, 2009, 11:48:58 AM
Figured I'd update this. I swapped my injectors from the 30# injectors to the 42# greentop FMS injectors. I suspected a couple of my 30# injectors were sticking when I looked at the plugs and how it was running when I started it. When I'm road ready I'll be taking it to http://www.jpcracing.com/ to do the dyno tune. I sent them my diablosport chip and he's setting it up to work with the lightning mass air and the new injectors and than he'll ship it back to me so they car will run decent for the trip up to his place for the dyno tune. So I'm just wating for this chip to get back.
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Post by: Kitz Kat on May 03, 2009, 12:34:54 PM
What are you doing about the hood?
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Post by: massCougarxr7 on May 03, 2009, 01:30:57 PM
Quote from: Bob;250371


BFH= big f**king hood? LOL


No its a BIG F**king HAMMER!!!!!!  LMFAO!!!! cant belive no one got that!!!!!! Great work bob!!!! and i guess it was youre birthday???? Keep it up cant wait for the vids!!!!
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Post by: Bob on May 03, 2009, 01:37:42 PM
I know big fu*cking hammer, I was messing with you... lol

I'm just going to slap a bolt-on scoop to it for now. Summit had some pretty cheap or even those gt scoops don't look bad.  I'm going to cut the hole for the clearance I need and take it from there.
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Post by: massCougarxr7 on May 03, 2009, 02:10:59 PM
well the car still looks fantastic!!!!!!!! So is it the original color???? I just started pulling my motor today........... (one of two motors that need pulling) (sigh)
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Post by: Bob on June 03, 2009, 01:02:32 PM
Quote from: massCougarxr7;270349
well the car still looks fantastic!!!!!!!! So is it the original color???? I just started pulling my motor today........... (one of two motors that need pulling) (sigh)


Yeah thats the origional color. Lots of spots where the clearcoat lifted, I just polished and buffed those spots... so its just taking decent pictures, but is rough up close.

Another update:

Just fixing some leaks (power steering, oil pan hole) and doing some more wiring. Things are looking much better now, its starting to come together nicely. Car should be completely road ready end of this month. Hopefully I'll drive it alittle this coming weekend, I'm keeping my fingers crossed :).  It hasn't seen the road in about 4-5 years lol
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Post by: massCougarxr7 on June 03, 2009, 01:50:21 PM
SWEET!!!!!! And hey my car isnt a beauty queen either!!!! But its the ride that counts!!!!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Browser on August 03, 2009, 05:23:47 AM
And where continuation?
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Post by: Bob on August 03, 2009, 01:45:17 PM
I haven't touched it since that week lol, things have been really busy for me this summer. Between our Disney vacation in June and several trips down the Jersy s in July I just haven't had time for it. Plus to top it all off I just started taking IT security classes at Drexel which take up all my free time right now. Between classes I should be about to get some work done on my car. I'm in no rush though, when its done.. its done :)
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Post by: Quietleaf on August 06, 2009, 10:27:52 PM
Looking good. Planning any interior work?

(excuse my crude Photochop)
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Post by: Bob on August 06, 2009, 11:22:11 PM
The interior will be done last. Not sure if it will stay red or not.. More than likely 3 years from now. This year will be all drivetrain and getting it road ready, next year will be paint and body, and year 3 will be interior.

Once I get it running and track ready, I'll start looking into getting the roll cage installed for fall 2010.

I plan on spending a couple of hours Saturday on fixing the running issues with the car. Hopefully Sunday I'll be posting a video of a smooth running motor! I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I'm having an issue with 1,2 and 7,8 running super rich and a terrible surging idle due to these cylinders running like they are. My plans are to redo the valve timing and a compression test to get a better picture of whats going on. Not sure where I'll go from the there if no compression in those cylinders, I'll more than likely pull the heads and redo the gaskets and double check everything. If it checks out and still runs like ass I might just switch to a carb setup and ditch the fuel injection stuff. Either way I'll get it right just a matter of finding time to dedicate to it.
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Post by: Bob on July 15, 2010, 11:15:59 AM
Well I took about a year off from this and just got working on it this week. I think I figured out my problem with the valves I was having.  I took off the lower intake to inspect the lifters, push-rods, and rockers.  While putting it together I realized for the first time that I was able to tighten my rocker bolts 2 turns past zero-lash till I hit my torque during the install.  Turns out I needed to shim each rocker. I got them all 1/2- 3/4 turn now.

Totally my fault from the very beginning, for some reason I was under the impression that since the machine shop measured the pushrod length when they had the long-block that all I had to do was bolt down the rockers.  I don't know, I assumed and was wrong.. anyway bottom line I should have it all together by the weekend and hopefully it runs good.
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Post by: Kitz Kat on July 15, 2010, 12:51:35 PM
About time,lol. I thought maybe you gave up on it. I am surprised your still running pedestal's on it. Did you figure the hood out yet?
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Post by: Bob on July 15, 2010, 01:00:02 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;328350
About time,lol. I thought maybe you gave up on it. I am surprised your still running pedestal's on it. Did you figure the hood out yet?

Yeah I had a set of the pedestals already so I keep them,  I hate them too.  I cut a hole in the hood, just need to order a scoop to cover it up.  I'll post a pic of the hood.  I think I might have went little crazy with the hole LOL.  When I cut it last year I had a scoop in mind and now I can't remember where I was going to buy it from.. so I'm limited to these dimensions now.  I might lean toward a bolt-on or bond-on cowl now.

How's your car running with the CI cam and ported lower now?
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Post by: Kitz Kat on July 15, 2010, 01:22:20 PM
It's running strong, no dyno#'s or track time yet though. I don't get much time this time of the year to do anything.
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Post by: thundr306 on July 19, 2010, 09:14:07 PM
I was wondering what happened to you....
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Post by: Bob on July 20, 2010, 12:21:29 AM
Quote from: thundr306;328868
I was wondering what happened to you....


I'm still here :) I got alot done this week.  Engine is back together.  Rockers are shimmed, battery is charged.  I just need to: swap out the power steering pump (its leaking at the shaft), change the oil, filter, add some gas, coolant, and keep my fingers crossed.  Not sure what I'm doing with the hood yet but here's some pics.  I need a scoop /cowl or something to cover a 18" x 25" hole.
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Post by: Nate on July 20, 2010, 01:39:25 AM
nice work bob, im glad bills car is still bad ass lol! almost time to take it to atco and make some f-body owners angry
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Post by: Kitz Kat on July 20, 2010, 05:13:54 AM
You weren't kidding when you said you have a big hole!
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Post by: Bob on July 20, 2010, 07:06:34 AM
Quote from: Nate;328911
nice work bob, im glad bills car is still bad ass lol! almost time to take it to atco and make some f-body owners angry


Hey Nate,  how you making out with your project?  You bought Jim's car right? One day I'll be meeting you at ATCO and we both be tearing up the track
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Post by: Bob on July 20, 2010, 07:11:31 AM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;328915
You weren't kidding when you said you have a big hole!


Yeah I really couldn't help the width cause the top of the throttle body is the highest point of the whole motor.  You know that vacuum port on top sticks out real high.  I wanted to keep the sides
the same so that's where the 25" came from.  The 18" could have been smaller on the top but only by about a couple inches.
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Post by: blackcougar71 on July 20, 2010, 11:48:40 PM
Have you thought of a cowl hood to fix the height problem?
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Post by: Bob on July 21, 2010, 12:08:17 AM
Quote from: blackcougar71;329014
Have you thought of a cowl hood to fix the height problem?


Well yeah that's ideal just don't have the funds to do that right now.  I'd be looking at $500 for an unpainted hood.  If I can just slap on a black hood scoop right now for under a $100 that better for my car budget cause I still need tires, windshield, and getting it dyno tuned is going be $$ too.
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Post by: blackcougar71 on July 21, 2010, 05:34:53 PM
i have a 4inch cowl hood i would sell since its to small for my setup. the only thing is its for hood pins on all four corners instead of a bolt on hood.
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Post by: Kitz Kat on July 22, 2010, 03:54:59 PM
Quote from: Bob;328920
Hey Nate,  how you making out with your project?  You bought Jim's car right? One day I'll be meeting you at ATCO and we both be tearing up the track

So that's where Jim's went?
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Post by: thundr306 on July 22, 2010, 04:19:26 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;329168
So that's where Jim's went?


Don't remind me......
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Post by: Kitz Kat on July 22, 2010, 04:21:49 PM
Quote from: thundr306;329170
Don't remind me......

Went to good hands, I hope you got more than I offered.
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Post by: Bob on July 28, 2010, 09:39:34 PM
Made some progress last weekend, car started right away but its on the rich side.  I ordered some fittings for a fuel pressure gauge from summit just waiting for them to come cause I have no idea what the pressure is set at.  All in all I was happy to hear it run and it sounded freaking great too, just what I needed to get the juices flowing. 

It might be a couple of weeks before I get back on this though,  the wife and I decided to sell our house, and we put it up for sale this week.  So for the next week I have to finish up some loose ends with the house.

Hopefully my next post should include a video of it running...
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Post by: Cougar8775 on July 29, 2010, 07:34:48 AM
hey how much you want for the edelbrock heads?
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Post by: Bob on July 29, 2010, 08:48:09 AM
Quote from: Cougar8775;329879
hey how much you want for the edelbrock heads?


I sold them 2 years ago :(
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Post by: Cougar8775 on July 29, 2010, 09:45:57 AM
 oh well im sure ill find a good set for my 408W build.
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Post by: Bob on July 29, 2010, 10:18:23 AM
If your buying heads for a 408w than get something bigger,  I only used a smaller set cause its what I had and put most of my budget in the shortblock.  408w combos with small heads (170cc-185cc) have gone fast and its proven if you do some reading on the corral, but from my reading if you can start with a 205cc head than your better off in the long run.  My combo will more than likely change to a larger head once the other stuff on the car is done (roll cage, paint, etc..)
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Post by: thundr306 on July 29, 2010, 05:19:15 PM
Quote from: Cougar8775;329892
oh well im sure ill find a good set for my 408W build.


I have some 185 afr's w/72cc chambers.
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Post by: Cougar8775 on July 30, 2010, 07:25:31 AM
how would that work on a fuel injected 408?
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Post by: thundr306 on July 31, 2010, 09:01:33 AM
Quote from: Cougar8775;329978
how would that work on a fuel injected 408?


Pm sent...sorry for junking up your post Bob!
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Post by: Bob on July 31, 2010, 11:17:08 AM
Quote from: thundr306;330053
Pm sent...sorry for junking up your post Bob!


Np it happens..



I got the fittings for my fuel pressure gauge last night.  I setup my gauge on the rail and with the height of the intake you can look right through the front and see the pressure. So this will be fine for me. I don't think I'll have time today to bring it outside and run it.  Hopefully tomorrow I'll find some time in the morning.
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Post by: Kitz Kat on July 31, 2010, 01:29:20 PM
How would they work on it, The 225's would be perfect, Hey bob? you moving out of town?
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Post by: Bob on July 31, 2010, 02:07:45 PM
Just moving out of the city and into Delaware County (Springfield, Morton area),  looking to get a bigger house, better school district for my daughter, the wife gets to beat the Phila City wage tax so its a win win, I work in center city so I'll still have to pay but a smaller ammount

Wife showed me a house with a 3 car detached garage and big yard in the school district she wanted, hopefully my house get sold quick I would love to grab that house before it sells.. it was in our price range too.
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Post by: Kitz Kat on July 31, 2010, 02:41:27 PM
Sounds great, hope it works out. Then maybe you quit playing around and get your shiznit running,lol
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Post by: Bob on August 20, 2010, 10:06:42 AM
I had some time the past couple days and got some work done.  One thing I did was sell my ponys and I picked up weld draglites 15x5 front and 15x8 for the rear.  The rear I'm going to put 26x10 ET streets on it.  The front has 195/65/15 and fit very good. 

So after getting my valves corrected and fuel pressure gauge it runs better than it did.  I don't have the constant smoke coming from the tailpipes like I did but theres still black smoke and the plugs start to foul up after 10min of running and the car dies. 

I ran some codes and found 158 and 51.  I pulled my ECT sensor and it fell apart while unscrewing it,  I put another one in.  The 158 mass air code is what I'm working on now.  I have to double check the mass air wiring, than I think I'm going to get another meter and try it out.  It would certainly explain my rich condition.  As of right now fuel pressure is at 38 psi,  timing at 15*,  and TPS just under 1 volt.

My meter is a lightning maf and the chip was programmed by justin's performance center in MD.  I might give him a call and see if I can have the chip checked, and possibly the meter. The burn he did a while back might be wrong?  I had them do a basic tune to a diablosport chip just to match the 42# injectors to the mass air meter to get me by till I have it tuned. 

Here's a py phone video of the car running:

http://gallery.me.com/bobprendergast#100539/Running%20but%20very%20rich&bgcolor=black (http://"http://gallery.me.com/bobprendergast#100539/Running%20but%20very%20rich&bgcolor=black")
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on October 02, 2010, 01:41:33 PM
I've been thinking about calling it quits for months now with this project and finally decided thats what I need to do.  Just not enough time in the week for family,work, and school.  I'm going to part the cougar out so look for a HUGE parts thread coming soon in the next couple days.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: turbo_88_XR7 on October 02, 2010, 02:12:44 PM
well that sucks..
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on October 02, 2010, 02:32:20 PM
Still need that roller? LOL Sorry dude I almost pm'd you too but was really on the fence for the last couple weeks.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: turbo_88_XR7 on October 02, 2010, 03:10:53 PM
not need but i'm still on the lookout for a more daily driver friendly build than my capri lol
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on October 02, 2010, 03:19:23 PM
After I get rid of my drivetrain let me know I'm about 30 miles from you.  When your ready drop me a pm.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: turbo_88_XR7 on October 02, 2010, 03:23:59 PM
will do, i have an abundance of parts to get rid of first lol
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: 1BDBIRD on October 02, 2010, 04:20:40 PM
All that work just to bail out!!!! shiznitTY!!!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on October 02, 2010, 05:24:16 PM
LOL, easy for you to say.. When it isn't fun anymore than why do it?  This car has become a c or a job... I didnt understand it either when it happened to other guys here. Now being their shoes with my project I know exactly why they called it quits... There's just no drive for me to complete this.. The big problem for me is time,  I just want something fast that's fun to drive and all I need to do is wash it and drive it.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: turbo_88_XR7 on October 02, 2010, 10:45:53 PM
i know the feeling.. my S10 has been an ongoing project for 3 years now.. i lost ambition again and that's when my car hunt started again lol
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thundr306 on October 02, 2010, 11:48:19 PM
Quote from: Bob;337641
LOL, easy for you to say.. When it isn't fun anymore than why do it?  This car has become a c or a job... I didnt understand it either when it happened to other guys here. Now being their shoes with my project I know exactly why they called it quits... There's just no drive for me to complete this.. The big problem for me is time,  I just want something fast that's fun to drive and all I need to do is wash it and drive it.


Sounds like something I wrote a few months back. For the moment, do what makes you and your family happy.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: RunninWild on October 03, 2010, 10:17:10 AM
Man I just got done reading the entire thread and then I read you were giving up....

G/L with everything!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on October 03, 2010, 10:17:15 AM
Another big part of it is the shock of what its going to cost to complete this car.  I'm looking at an additional $10k to finsh the car.  So I'd rather take that 10k, trade in my 2005 explorer and recover what I can from the cougar and put it toward buying something nice with it. 

There's plenty out there that would be fun to drive in the 25k-30k range :)
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: RunninWild on October 03, 2010, 10:36:04 PM
Quote from: Bob;337742
Another big part of it is the shock of what its going to cost to complete this car.  I'm looking at an additional $10k to finsh the car.  So I'd rather take that 10k, trade in my 2005 explorer and recover what I can from the cougar and put it toward buying something nice with it. 

There's plenty out there that would be fun to drive in the 25k-30k range :)


2011 GT base. I think they start around 29-30K...
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: 347Thunder on October 04, 2010, 06:56:26 AM
Quote from: Bob;337742
Another big part of it is the shock of what its going to cost to complete this car.  I'm looking at an additional $10k to finsh the car.  So I'd rather take that 10k, trade in my 2005 explorer and recover what I can from the cougar and put it toward buying something nice with it. 

There's plenty out there that would be fun to drive in the 25k-30k range :)


what were your plans, that sounds a lot since the drive train is done
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daminc on October 04, 2010, 07:45:48 AM
It doesn't take much to get to 10 grand these days. I think I got 12 into my car right now since I started, and it's nothing spectacular in the performance dept. figure I'll have another 5-7 in it before I'm totally done.

Sometimes you have to do what your doing to get ahead and have fun again. honestly, I'm starting to not have fun building mine anymore. I'm going to get the motor in, in a couple weeks and park it for the winter i think.  we'll see what happens. Maybe I'll do the body on the vert. I have way more fun doing that then mechanical.

Good luck on your next adventure Bob.....
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on October 04, 2010, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: 347Thunder;337917
what were your plans, that sounds a lot since the drive train is done


Hood +shipping $500-$750, dyno tune session + chip $700, roll cage $2000, paint and body work, get seats recovered..
Quote from: daminc;337919
It doesn't take much to get to 10 grand these days. I think I got 12 into my car right now since I started, and it's nothing spectacular in the performance dept. figure I'll have another 5-7 in it before I'm totally done.

Sometimes you have to do what your doing to get ahead and have fun again. honestly, I'm starting to not have fun building mine anymore. I'm going to get the motor in, in a couple weeks and park it for the winter i think.  we'll see what happens. Maybe I'll do the body on the vert. I have way more fun doing that then mechanical.

Good luck on your next adventure Bob.....


Thanks,  like many here I enjoy reading your thread.. keep up the good work!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: DVP on October 04, 2010, 10:52:41 AM
Quote from: Bob;337619
I've been thinking about calling it quits for months now with this project and finally decided thats what I need to do.  Just not enough time in the week for family,work, and school.  I'm going to part the cougar out so look for a HUGE parts thread coming soon in the next couple days.


Well ...

I understand. On a smaller scale that is why I havent touched anything mechanical on any of my cars in a few weeks. It became a c and I almost dreaded working on them.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: turbo_88_XR7 on October 04, 2010, 12:39:22 PM
Quote from: Bob;337930
Hood +shipping $500-$750, dyno tune session + chip $700, roll cage $2000, paint and body work, get seats recovered..


Thanks,  like many here I enjoy reading your thread.. keep up the good work!


that's a shame.. i could give you a good deal on the cage and paint/body work.. you're only on the other side of the bridge lol
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: 1BDBIRD on October 04, 2010, 01:58:06 PM
In the end they are just automobiles!!! They are expendable!!! A family you love and support!!!! Priceless!!!!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: turbo_88_XR7 on October 04, 2010, 02:08:47 PM
Quote from: 1BDBIRD;337960
In the end they are just automobiles!!! They are expendable!!! A family you love and support!!!! Priceless!!!!


sometimes the car is more of a family member than just a mode of transportation ;)
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on October 07, 2010, 10:08:51 PM
Well things changed this week.  With adding up the potential loses with selling everything, I've decided last night to keep the cougar and continue forward. 

Sorry for the drama last week, it shouldn't happen again LOL.  I'm going to trade my truck in very soon and pick up a car to drive and blast around with.  The cougar will get done when it's done.  I just have to get back into accomplishing small tasks with it and try not to get overwhelmed like I have been.

So my next major update to this thread should be of a perfectly running engine and me driving it for the first time,  I think once I drive the cougar with the 408 I'll be hooked and things will not seem so difficult anymore.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daminc on October 07, 2010, 10:34:31 PM
And he's back in the game.......
welcome back, it's been rough around here without you . ;)
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on October 07, 2010, 10:50:02 PM
Quote from: daminc;338514
And he's back in the game.......
welcome back, it's been rough around here without you . ;)


LOL, I'm back..

I'm ready.. I'm ready.. I'm ready

(sorry I have a 4 year old and watch a lot of spongebob lol)
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daminc on October 07, 2010, 11:07:34 PM
Glad your back. That's the best looking red on red cougar i've ever seen. be nice to see it done one day
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: turbo_88_XR7 on October 08, 2010, 02:07:27 AM
you must have bumped your head and lost it for a moment.. or a week LOL glad to hear you're going to finish it.. 408 awaaaaaaaay!! lol
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Kitz Kat on October 08, 2010, 05:19:38 AM
I guess this means you won't be selling any parts to me.
Good to here your back at it, it would be shame not to finish it as far as you were.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: 347Thunder on October 08, 2010, 07:38:27 AM
He was never gone to me, just a little lost, been in that spot a few times
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Mercoug302 on December 14, 2010, 08:37:22 PM
It looks great, don't give up.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on December 14, 2010, 09:06:43 PM
Quote from: Mercoug302;345683
It looks great, don't give up.

Hey thanks Bill that means a lot,  I got about 5 weeks till my next classes start up so it's going to get done this time around.

Check you pm box later, I can't type right now but I wanted to talk to you.

Cya Bob
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bruce M on December 14, 2010, 09:50:51 PM
Thank god! I thought I was gonna loss another good read. I was beating my head on the wall reading the last couple pages. I always miss these builds and have to read like 10 to 20 pages to catch up. It always happens, I get to the end and they sale the car, give up, or leave the site over drama. Thank you for not giving up. :bowdown:
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on December 14, 2010, 10:49:04 PM
I'm still here, been working out some issues with it.  I have some plans for the next couple of weeks so it should be a happy 2011.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daminc on December 14, 2010, 11:42:33 PM
:banana:
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on December 14, 2010, 11:47:19 PM
Than it's going to Jerry's house to get striped,rust removed, primed, and painted :)
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daminc on December 14, 2010, 11:50:19 PM
sounds good to me
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on December 14, 2010, 11:59:22 PM
By the time I'm ready you'll be done with your two and bored :)
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: turbo_88_XR7 on December 15, 2010, 12:01:28 AM
just scrolled through your first page.. you're on SBFtech, aren't you? jay allen/camshaft innovations is all over that forum along with fordstrokers.com.. great choice in cam.. my next stroker's cam is coming from jay
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daminc on December 15, 2010, 12:15:49 AM
Quote from: Bob;345715
By the time I'm ready you'll be done with your two and bored :)

I'm always looking for a good winter project..
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daminc on December 15, 2010, 12:16:20 AM
Quote from: Bob;345715
By the time I'm ready you'll be done with your two and bored :)

 
I'm always looking for a good winter project..
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Nate on December 17, 2010, 09:53:52 PM
dont worry bob... i've been working on mine for 6 years, i still got the roller rockers you gave me lol... i s'd whole car and started over on another one, and im in the middle of doing a 331 with my t56 and cobra irs. takes time, but its worth it in the end. just remember how much fun your black car was before the engine desided it wanted to be 2 4-cylinders instead of a v-8 lol... sometimes i just sit in the car and pretend to drive and remember how bad ass my white car was, always gets me motivated. besides that cougar is destined to be bad ass, remember bill beating that guy with the 3rd gen camaro at atco, and he was so pissed a old ass cougar beat him he left without even getting his time slip lol?
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Mercoug302 on December 17, 2010, 10:04:37 PM
LOL!! that's right!!! I forgot about that!!!!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on December 18, 2010, 12:35:33 PM
Quote from: Nate;346102
dont worry bob... i've been working on mine for 6 years, i still got the roller rockers you gave me lol... i s'd whole car and started over on another one, and im in the middle of doing a 331 with my t56 and cobra irs. takes time, but its worth it in the end. just remember how much fun your black car was before the engine desided it wanted to be 2 4-cylinders instead of a v-8 lol... sometimes i just sit in the car and pretend to drive and remember how bad ass my white car was, always gets me motivated. besides that cougar is destined to be bad ass, remember bill beating that guy with the 3rd gen camaro at atco, and he was so pissed a old ass cougar beat him he left without even getting his time slip lol?

 
glad to hear your project is coming along Nate. LOL I've sat in the driver seat listening to some music and doing a little shifting.. :)
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on January 12, 2011, 11:21:36 AM
I got some work done mostly odds and ends (swaybar end links installed, replaced leaking ps pump).  After talking to some people about my problem, Mark suggested that I clean the chip contacts on the EEC.  I did find the contacts on the EEC where the chip connects were really dirty.  So what I'm hoping is the settings on the chip never made it to the EEC.  I went through about 3 erasers cleaning them up,  I have a good connection now with the diablosport chip and the port.  I put oil in it last night.  Just have to gas it up, prime the oil pump, and fire her up.  I'll post a video this weekend of it running if I get some time to fire it up.  Keeping my fingers crossed that the tailpipes have no black :beatyoass: smoke LOL

If it still runs rich :punchballs: I'm going to try another meter.  I'm looking into one of those abaco dbx97. 

Here's some updated pics:

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Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: 88BlueBird on January 12, 2011, 03:20:57 PM
Your car is looking great and will be a lot of fun to drive.  That engine will definitely be a conversion piece in that car too.  If car is still running rich / missing, make sure you have the Left and Right O2 sensors connected to the correct harness connectors.  I had the left and right reversed on my engine swap and it drove me nuts for quite a while.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on January 12, 2011, 03:54:29 PM
This thing was running pig rich to where there was tons of black smoke and poping in the exhaust, after about ten minutes of running it would just foul out the plugs and die.  When I open up the throttle and get some rpms it smooths out and sounds strong as hell near WOT. The current theory about the meter and injectors not working right makes sense cause if the EEC is pulsing the injectors for 19# and really dumping 42# than that would explain the rich condition.  I can't wait to run it this weekend and see where I'm at.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: 86T-bird on January 12, 2011, 07:58:24 PM
Bob,

It really looks great!  I can appreciate the number of hours its taken to get it to this stage.

Have my fingers crossed for you on the eraser trick!  Look forward to hearing good news.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on January 12, 2011, 10:09:11 PM
Quote from: 86T-bird;349482
Bob,

It really looks great!  I can appreciate the number of hours its taken to get it to this stage.

Have my fingers crossed for you on the eraser trick!  Look forward to hearing good news.

Thanks dude.  If it doesn't work I'm going to buy the abaco meter, if that doesn't work I'm going to flip out and rip out all the EFI stuff and slap a carb on it.. Either way this thing is going to be ready for the spring.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Clayton on January 13, 2011, 08:00:58 PM
Quote from: Bob;349500
I'm going to flip out and rip out all the EFI stuff and slap a carb on it.. Either way this thing is going to be ready for the spring.

 
Thats my plan for the bird. one way or another.. Gonna have a warmed over 302. carber. easy clean and super simple.

Cars looking good Bob
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thundr306 on January 23, 2011, 07:42:34 PM
Keep at it...I still expect to get a ride in it someday.

Jim
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on February 18, 2011, 08:54:04 PM
Quote from: 86T-bird;349482
Bob,

It really looks great!  I can appreciate the number of hours its taken to get it to this stage.

Have my fingers crossed for you on the eraser trick!  Look forward to hearing good news.

Ok heres a recap:

I went from running the car at idle for only 10 min with black smoke pouring out of the tailpipes and than it dies from fouling the plugs up.

I cleaned the contacts of EEC service port real good and started it last weekend

Now it runs really good.  I had it running with no smoke and nice exhaust note.  About an hour past and I had the car running for about 20 min at a time I noticed after the 3rd time the idle was getting worse, than it had difficult starting from just turning the key, I let it cool and pulled the plugs and they were black but not anything like they were before.  It threw a code that I haven't checked yet. 

I think I'm good just need to complete the tune at this point to get the a/f right.  One thing I did notice was a whistle like sound coming from around the throttle body valve cover fill spout area.  I pulled the valve cover cap off (trickflow covers) and I had a huge amount of vacuum in the valve cover to where it was loud, it was almost sucking the cap back on the spout, and was loud enough to here while engine was running.  I turned car off checked my pcv valve and screen and they appear to be okay.  I was able to blow through the screen with my mouth with it in my hand.  The pcv valve rattled like they normally do.

Any thoughts on the valve cover vacuum?? Is that normal?

Up next is bleed the master cylinder (peddle is soft), get some sort of hood scoop for the hole, and call insurance company to take it for a road test. 

Than it needs to get alignment, windshield, inspection, tune :)
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: daminc on February 18, 2011, 09:07:50 PM
I have no input, but it's good to see you working on it again
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: 86T-bird on February 18, 2011, 10:02:05 PM
Hey Bob, Glad to hear it's running!

Can't say if the vacuum issue is a problem, put a gauge on it and see if it lines up with the specs on the cam card.

I had a heck a whistle that seemed to come from my GT-40 Tubular intake at idle before I got it tuned.  Never figured out where it came from, or why it went away after tuning....
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on February 19, 2011, 07:50:27 PM
I'll post a video of it so you can hear it.  Just need to host it somewhere when I have some time
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on February 25, 2011, 11:20:35 PM
Here's a video of the idle, you can hear the whistle.  Overall the engine ran smooth without being tuned yet,  going to knock out the brakes,alignment, and inspection soon so I can take it for a ride.  Than I'll get it tuned...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA2V_qcm5_M
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 26, 2011, 03:51:42 AM
I like it,still got a big hole in the hood?
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on February 26, 2011, 08:53:19 AM
Yeah bro the hole is still there.  I'm still on the fence on putting a scoop or just buying a hood.  Gonna work on the brakes and alignment in the next week or so and drive it soon.. can't wait
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: cougarman on February 26, 2011, 10:53:49 AM
Sounds good, congrats.:D
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: 86T-bird on February 26, 2011, 11:32:58 AM
Hey Bob, it does idle very nice.  Sounds great! 

The whistle or resonance sound is very much like what I had with mine.  Unfortunately I don't know what fixed it!  I'd had some other issues, pulled it apart to correct them and the noise wasn't there after reassembly.  Maybe a vacuum leak?  Mine was impossible to localize, it just seemed to resonate from the upper intake.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on February 26, 2011, 12:10:44 PM
Thanks for the compliments,  I'll have some more videos soon.. I'm looking forward to doing a nice smokey burn out with it :burnout::burnout:
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thewestie on February 26, 2011, 02:52:07 PM
Looks and sounds great like the tips. Well worth the wait and yet I see no burnouts in front of your house I tried not do that for oh I don't know the first day :)
Great job
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on February 26, 2011, 07:28:03 PM
I would have but right now the brake pedal is like a sponge, I had to pump the pedal while bleeding the rear lines due to a blockage and had no one to close the line up for me so I sucked a huge amount of air in the lines.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thewestie on February 26, 2011, 08:24:44 PM
Brakes are good. Mine will lock all four but the pedal is less than great.
Get a victim oopps I mean volunteer to help ya I cant wait to see a burn out vid I'm jonesing to do one my self.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on July 11, 2011, 09:22:47 PM
I'm still here,  was taking a break from it.  Wife wanted the bathroom done so after dropping a boat load of cash in that and making her happy I'll be finishing this up right after our vacation.

Hope everyone is having a good summer, gonna have to sprend more time on the board to catch up with everything around here :)
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thundr306 on July 11, 2011, 09:25:33 PM
Good to hear....keep at it.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Mercoug302 on August 18, 2011, 04:16:57 AM
The "missing parts" would be the big red non-stock looking TFI on the newly remanufatured OEM distributor. When I first fired the 5.8 in my previous 88, it had issues with making power above 3k rpm. I was told from several sources that it was because of poor electronics quality inside of the new 400.00 MSD distributor. Went out and purchased a stocker and still had the problem. Turned out to be the TPS (also new, but a poor aftermarket one that came with the TB).
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on February 09, 2012, 12:21:57 AM
Finally updated!!

I solved 90% of my problems last weekend by swapping out that MSD distributor.  After the video I posted last year after about 20 minutes of running it the car ran like  again and than wouldn't start,  I got pissed off and put it back in the garage for a year lol. My buddy was over last weekend we had a couple of hours to kill.  We primed the oil pump, squirted a little oil in the cylinders and started her up and it barely ran.  He messed with for about 20 min and said hey I think the distributor is bad.  When we swapped the MSD dizzy out it started right up and idled nice again. 

This weekend or next I gotta bleed the brakes so I can take it for a ride.  It still needs to be tuned,  I'm going with quarter horse and a wideband o2 for data logging .  I'm gonna purchase the moats QH from Willy@dirtydirtyracing from the corral with a base tune.  Than once the wideband is installed I can send him the data logs and he will help me fine tune it further.

Getting real close.. finally

(still got the huge hole in the hood though lol)
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bruce M on February 09, 2012, 04:19:19 PM
Nice, I bet you hate letting it sit for so long and it was just a dist.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on February 09, 2012, 04:43:02 PM
Yeah it's been a long journey, I started in March so thats my goal now to get done before the 4 year anniversity.  Gonna try and drive it tomorrow, not far just up and down the street a couple of times I'm really kicking myelf for not buying a cowl hood that kitz found for me about 2 years ago.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: turbotrav on April 11, 2012, 11:29:58 PM
So Bob how did it all work out....I just read all 22 pages of this thread....drank 3 beers while doing it.  I hope that she is a running when you get it tuned.  I had pretty good luck with my QH and BE.  I had LM1 for my wideband.  It all worked pretty good.  Takes a bit to tune, but you will have a good understanding on how it all works.  I removed and sold all my QH to upgrade(IMHO to stingers PiMP).  Almost got my 351 assembled.  Just tracking down the correct damper, and such.  We need an update.  :)  with video.

Travis
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on April 12, 2012, 09:25:15 AM
I'm still here, I'm going with QH and Willie from dirtydirtyracing.com,  Willie will do the base tune and than fine tune from there with my datalogs from the wideband.  Than from there the car will be drivable and I found a speed shop that my brother-in-law gets tuned at in Delaware and he said its $75 for 3 dyno runs,  so with those runs we can fine tune further with Willie's help of course and hopefully in the process I'll learn a thing or two about QH.  If I get stuck Willie is always a phone call away so I should be good.  I just think that having the wideband and the control that QH gives is going to pay off in the long run than not having to run back to a tuner everytime. 

Actually I tried to make an appointment with a tuner about 5-6 weeks ago and after my intial conversation with the owner everything was cool, I send all my info to them (cam card, specs, etc.)  Than I never got a call back, I called that shop 5 times talked to other employees there left my name and number each time and never got a call back.  I found a guy on the corral that was going to the same shop and pm'd him.  Here he says he go through this everytime time he deals with them.  I don't want to deal with a place like that, I don't want to ever be in the possition that I'm begging someone to take my money. 

I understand that all shops are not going to be like that but this shop was local to me and I wouldn't need a tow to get there, my neighbor could run me up on his trailer in 10-15 min. So right now QH gets me on the road quicker, cheaper, and more hands-on with the tune rather than dropping it off and writing a check. Also I've done my research on the corral and talked to guys that work with Willie and they all have nothing but good things to say about him and his work, so I'm gonna give it shot.

I've been working on my gauges right now, nothing special yet just 3 above the radio.  I'm going with oil, temp, and Wideband.  I'll post some pics when I'm done.  Over the winter I'm going to redo the cluster with speedo,tach, move the oil and temp to the cluster and than put fuel,volt,wideband above the radio.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: 86T-bird on April 12, 2012, 11:29:41 AM
Hey Bob, Glad you have a plan and you're still working at it!
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Post by: 347Thunder on April 12, 2012, 11:54:45 AM
Any fix on the brakes mine are still very spongy, I changed master and booster and pumped new synthetic fluid through the system, with my new fancy motive products pressure bleeder.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on April 12, 2012, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: 86T-bird;386611
Hey Bob, Glad you have a plan and you're still working at it!

 
yeah, if I'm done by my Birthday I'll be happy (May 3rd)

Quote from: 347Thunder;386614
Any fix on the brakes mine are still very spongy, I changed master and booster and pumped new synthetic fluid through the system, with my new fancy motive products pressure bleeder.

 
My brakes are stock, 11" rotor up front and 10" drums. I think I just need to bleed everything.
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Post by: Kitz Kat on April 12, 2012, 01:42:51 PM
Wants the initial tune is in, QH can tighten it up later. Soon I will need something. Hey still need a trunk lid? I know of 1.
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Post by: thundr306 on April 12, 2012, 05:16:24 PM
Nothing works like a good old two person brake bleed.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on July 24, 2013, 11:29:10 PM
It's been we'll over a year and I haven't done anything with it till today.  A quick recap,  I have a horrible running condition that pours smoke out the tailpipes, fills the entire street with smoke, and after 7-10 minutes loads up with fuel till the car starts popping out the exhaust and than dies from the plugs fouling up. 

I've always known the car would need a tune but I've been on the fence with putting anymore money into it untill I knew exactly what the problem was. I always had in the back of my mind that I did have the diablosport chip burned with a base tune to add the lmaf meter transfer table so the 42# injectors would play nice with the EEC.  So it sat again for a year and a half till today.

So I changed the oil today, primed the oil, squirted a tiny bit of oil in the cylinders, rotated the engine by hand a couple of times, replaced the o2 sensors, new 3924 plugs, and put some gas in it.

I started it up and it filled the street with smoke like it has in the past, ok nothing changed.. Back to square one.  Well I did something different today that I never did in the past 4 years with dealing with this.  I pulled the. Diablosport chip and ran it without anything...

And guess what happened...

All of the smoke was gone instantly,  I bleed the brakes and took it for a drive and its finally drivable.  The car has tons of power even though it running rich as hell, so when it's completely right I think it going to blow my mind.  So finally I can order the tuning stuff with a clear head knowing it's going to fix everything.

I know I said it before, but I'm ordering the moats quarterhorse, wideband o2, and tune from dirtydirtyracing.com in the next two weeks and will be fully on the road very shortly!
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Post by: Kitz Kat on July 25, 2013, 04:21:17 AM
Good to here, That would drive me nuts sitting all that time.
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Post by: Thunderbird88 on July 25, 2013, 05:58:38 AM
Good thing you finally fixed it!
It really sucks when you run out of all motivation. But I'm guessing now when it works, it's all back again? ;)
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Post by: thunderjet302 on July 25, 2013, 11:54:01 AM
Awesome :)!
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Post by: STANG8U on July 25, 2013, 03:22:38 PM
Crazy ...... Somtimes it's the stupid shiznit lol
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Post by: Bob on July 25, 2013, 09:04:01 PM
Yes it always the stupid shiznit,  but it really plays with your head.  I checked every wire of the engine harness because I couldn't understand why it ran like it did cause I thought the parts I bought were right.  I was very close to either selling the car and moving on or ripping all the fuel injection stuff out and going carb.

I even called the place that burned the chip years ago and asked if I could send it back and have it checked, the guy on the phone was like it's right I did it and it should be fine... well I took his word on it and got burned.  Oh well time to move on

And yes Kitz it did drive me nuts lol,  every time I walked by it I was like WTF..
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Post by: STANG8U on July 25, 2013, 09:37:30 PM
Yea that's the risk with a mail order tune .... Any dyno tuners near you?
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Post by: Bob on July 25, 2013, 10:34:09 PM
Yeah there's a couple, two of them got horrible reviews,  the other is tillman's.  Tillman's had a good tuner (Chris Rose) but he left and works for american muscle now,  but at the time was still tuning at tillman's on nights and weekends.  I tried to setup an appointment with tillman's about 2 years ago and after 5 phone calls without a return call I gave up.  Plus he wanted me to just leave the car for a couple of days and just come back to pick it up,  which I wanted to be there when it was done, to talk with the tuner, be a part of it, and maybe take a video and stuff.  Actually I was talking to a guy on the corral that made an appointment with them too and he finally got his appointment,  and 6 months after that I found a thread he started on the corral about how he wasn't happy with the tune he got and switched to quarterhorse. So for the $550 tillman's wanted I'm going to just spend the $800 and get what I need for quarterhorse.
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Post by: bodyman on July 25, 2013, 10:49:55 PM
After reading your entire 408 adventure its good to hear you finally got to take it for a drive. Hope the tuning goes well so you can move on with the rest of your plans for the car.
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Post by: Bob on July 25, 2013, 10:53:51 PM
Quote from: bodyman;419159
After reading your entire 408 adventure its good to hear you finally got to take it for a drive. Hope the tuning goes well so you can move on with the rest of your plans for the car.

Thanks bodyman, still got some other things to finish up. After the tuning is done,  I need hood, windshield, tires, alignment, and maybe next year I'll get it painted.
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Post by: Bob on September 07, 2013, 09:02:45 PM
I got my quarterhorse from dirtydirtyracing yesterday!  So far so good,  throttle response is awesome, lots of power, idle is decent.  Still little rich,  I have to order the wideband and install it till we can adjust the tune.

Overall it feels 100xs better.  Ill update again when I get the wideband o2 and BE/EA running.
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Post by: STANG8U on September 07, 2013, 11:39:07 PM
Nice!
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Post by: 83TB on September 08, 2013, 01:14:04 AM
Nice build, I bet its going to be a fun car once you get it tuned the way you like it.  I have enjoyed reading this thread and I think you have done an awesome job on the car and motor.
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Post by: Bob on September 08, 2013, 12:03:03 PM
Thanks for the kind words,  I'm just happy ill be done before the 5 year anniversary lol

Edit: March 2014 will be 6 years.. Lol somehow I lost a year
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Post by: 1BadBird on September 08, 2013, 01:07:06 PM
Quote from: Bob;421459
  I'm just happy ill be done before the 5 year anniversary lol

I've blown well past that mark :mullet:  LOL Great progress!
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Post by: thunderjet302 on September 08, 2013, 04:36:15 PM
Quote from: Bob;421434
I got my quarterhorse from dirtydirtyracing yesterday!  So far so good,  throttle response is awesome, lots of power, idle is decent.  Still little rich,  I have to order the wideband and install it till we can adjust the tune.

Overall it feels 100xs better.  Ill update again when I get the wideband o2 and BE/EA running.

Let us know how you like the Quarterhorse. I'd like to get one as I'm pretty sure my Thunderbird could use a tune as it's not really close to a stock HO anymore. I'm just worried that I won't have any idea how to use the thing as I've had no formal training with engine management software.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on September 08, 2013, 04:55:38 PM
I will,  once I get the software and wideband I'll post a little review of it.
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Post by: thundr306 on September 08, 2013, 08:17:16 PM
Well, it is about time.....
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Post by: Bob on September 08, 2013, 08:54:38 PM
LOL, hey Jim are you still looking for a tbird? There's an 88 roller on craigslist for $300 with a body kit too!

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/4016219374.html
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thundr306 on September 08, 2013, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: Bob;421484
LOL, hey Jim are you still looking for a tbird? There's an 88 roller on craigslist for $300 with a body kit too!

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/4016219374.html

I saw that one! There is one right down the road from me with a 347 stroker and 5 speed.
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Post by: Bob on December 18, 2013, 10:06:02 PM
Small update,  I picked up a 4" Anderson powerpipe.  Fits pretty good, I need to open the hole up another 1/2" and I was going to use split vacuum hose around the edge to clean up the hole and to dampen any vibrations.  Car is running good, still have to work out an issue with the brake pedal spongy, install wideband O2, get a hood, windshield, and tires.  Really looking forward to driving it this spring.
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Post by: STANG8U on December 18, 2013, 10:23:31 PM
Very nice I love my power pipe
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Post by: turbotrav on December 22, 2013, 09:54:44 AM
I got QH back in feb 2009...used it for 2 years before i upgraded to PIMP.  Lots of good info on the net.

Eectuning.org has tons of info.

Travis
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Post by: thundr306 on December 23, 2013, 04:57:42 PM
I give you serious credit for sticking with the project.
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Post by: MechanicMatt on December 23, 2013, 11:19:56 PM
I just read all 25 pages tonight, I too have a wife and kids so I can relate to having to wait and sit on a project.  But you Sir, 5+ years, WOW your a trooper.  I've often thought of calling it quits with my car, but the dreams and memories I have of my prior cars has me yearning for that first drive.  Nice build, Nice to see you figured out your tuning issues.  And on the hood, why don't you make a plexi glass cover for it ala ZR1.  Or just leave it open for a while.  I've driven my 85GT around with out a hood for a couple days.  Looks good, can't wait to see the pics of you doing a big old smokey burnout!
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on December 24, 2013, 01:26:59 AM
Thanks for the kind words guys, maybe I will just make a scoop for now.  I don't know,  I know once I get the hood I'll want to get the whole car painted lol
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Post by: Clayton on December 24, 2013, 03:34:25 AM
I have a big ol boss9 scoop thats friggin huge, i dont think im ever going to use it lol
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Post by: Bob on March 19, 2014, 10:29:16 PM
Ok I got the next 3 days to just finish the cougar.. took off from work and wife and daughter are going out Saturday. I need to re-bleed master cylinder and all lines, put on temporary scoop, and drive this bitch.

I got my scoop for the hood and there's good news and bad news.  Good news is it's temporary until I make some sort of custom cowl similar to Greg's hood because I need lots of width to clear the throttle body, and no fiberglass cowl has clearance where I need it. Bad news is it's not a Ford style scoop and probably has no business being on a cougar lol. It might piss off some of you that bleed Ford blue.  Unfortunately it's the only scoop I can find that will fit my hole,  I've already bought and returned 2 scoops in the past month. I might turn it around instead of placing it the way it's designed to be mounted.  I'll post some pics tomorrow or Friday after the brakes are worked out.

In the meantime what scoop would you get for a 25"x 18" hole with 2 3/4"- 3" of top clearance?
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Post by: Thunderbird88 on March 20, 2014, 12:10:42 AM
Check the 5" cowl hood I put on my Bird from VFM Fiberglass.
Nice quality piece, gives me loads of room inside the engine bay I dont even need.
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Post by: Bob on March 24, 2014, 09:27:48 PM
Finally drove it today for the first time ever! The brakes are ok.. I think I'm just not use to the drum rear.  The brakes feels weak to me but I bench bleed the master cylinder and all the lines with a motive power bleeder, and there's not a single air bubble.

Oh btw this thing is crazy fast, tons of power.  I'll post a video soon, I Don't have time now cause I'm in the middle of moving this week.  I love how the 408 sounds cause it's pretty quiet till about 3k and than it opens up and comes to life.  You can drive it normal and not attract too much attention, but god help you if you stomp on it.  I'm definitely going to need wider tires and better brakes.



X
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Post by: custompunk on March 24, 2014, 09:32:57 PM
Thing looks wicked.  Don't drive too fast or people won't be able to see how awesome it looks.  Can't wait for the video.
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Post by: Haystack on March 24, 2014, 09:39:40 PM
Good on ya bob. can't wait for a video.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on March 24, 2014, 09:41:09 PM
Nice :)

You still have the stock 10" brakes up front? If so that's why it needs bigger brakes....
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on March 24, 2014, 09:42:47 PM
11" up front and 10" drums in the back
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Post by: thunderjet302 on March 24, 2014, 09:46:57 PM
Quote from: Bob;431164
11" up front and 10" drums in the back

Hmm should stop a bit better. I've got 10" up front and 10" drums in the rear and it stops ok. It's a bit scary at the end of a quarter mile though. Then again your car probably has 200hp more than mine does, which would make stock style brakes scary.
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Post by: Bob on March 24, 2014, 09:53:21 PM
Here's a couple videos from Saturday while we were still working out some stuff.  I'll get some better ones after I get the alignment and drag radials on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHEaPTci3_8

and this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncymptvF_rE
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Post by: V8Demon on March 24, 2014, 10:44:52 PM
Got some get up and go!
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Post by: thewestie on March 24, 2014, 11:09:22 PM
Awsome
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Post by: 86T-bird on March 26, 2014, 12:16:39 PM
Great to see this thing on the road!
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Post by: CoogarXR on March 26, 2014, 01:09:20 PM
Man that sounds mean. I like it ;)
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Post by: Bob on March 26, 2014, 01:37:32 PM
thanks guys I'm getting there.  I think I'm going to do the rear, brakes, and 5 lug next.. I'm not happy with the braking right now.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on March 26, 2014, 01:47:47 PM
Sounds awesome.

Now put a blower on it :hick:
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Post by: Bob on March 26, 2014, 02:10:46 PM
lol,  I've haven't even went WOT with it yet.. couldn't imagine more power right now
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Post by: thunderjet302 on March 26, 2014, 02:57:23 PM
Quote from: Bob;431272
lol,  I've haven't even went WOT with it yet.. couldn't imagine more power right now

After awhile you'll think "eh this isn't that fast". That's when one gets in trouble. And adds a supercharger.
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Post by: CoogarXR on March 26, 2014, 03:25:03 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;431284
After awhile you'll think "eh this isn't that fast".

Ain't that the truth? It goes from 'OMFG!' to 'OMG!' to 'omg' to 'yeah' to 'meh...' in short order, lol.
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Post by: Bob on September 06, 2014, 01:13:33 PM
Again more than 5 months past since I did anything with the cougar,  I'm going to offically put it up for sale or part it out.  If anyone is interested in the cougar whole,  as a roller, or the drive train let me know through PM.  I'll give you guys first dibs before it goes on the mustang sites and craigslist. 

I recently moved and don't have a garage to store it in anymore so I've been storing it in a friends garage thats about 30min from me so It's really not working out logistically,  and for the past 5-6 years I just don't have the time.  Sorry to do it but it is what is and I have to stop fooling myself.

I would consider partial trades of a motorcycle (beginner sport bike would be what I'm looking for Honda CBR 250 or something similar),  I'm looking to get into bikes and could easily store that in my yard
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Post by: thundr306 on September 07, 2014, 09:10:15 PM
Sorry to hear this. I remember you urging me to keep my 'bird and not give in. Years later, I wish I had listened.

You have to do whats best for you. Good luck with the sale.
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Post by: Bob on September 07, 2014, 09:45:32 PM
Lol I hear you Jim.. I've been hanging on to it for about 4-5 years.  I really don't have the time for it anymore.  Now that I would have to drive to the car to mess with it was the icing on the cake.  I haven't even seen it in 3-4 months lol
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Post by: Haystack on September 08, 2014, 02:19:54 AM
Park it in the yard and throw a tarp over it till you feel the urgeagain.
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Post by: daminc on September 08, 2014, 07:56:22 AM
I would store it..... it took me 3 years after it was finished just to put plates on mine. :hick:
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Post by: Kitz Kat on September 09, 2014, 04:46:45 AM
What a shame after all you went through with it.
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Post by: Bob on September 09, 2014, 09:35:40 AM
I hear ya kitz to some it would be,  I was never that emotionally attached to the car in the first place so thats part of why it took so long to finish.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on May 04, 2015, 01:58:33 PM
I'm back.. car isn't for sale anymore,  decided to keep her.

Little update,  did some work to the cougar Saturday.  New battery, adjusted clutch.. and other small  like that.  Went for a nice ride with her,  running great. I still think theres an issue with the brakes,  the pedal is slow to come back up.  Getting windshield, tires, alignment, wideband O2 and finishing up tune in the next month or two.
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Post by: daminc on May 04, 2015, 04:45:40 PM
Woooo hoooooo
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Post by: V8Demon on May 05, 2015, 10:57:11 AM
Quote from: Bob;447702
I still think theres an issue with the brakes,  the pedal is slow to come back up.

I'm similar to you 11" brakes up front, 10" drums in the back.  I'm running 73 mm calipers from a Mark VII in the front......  What master cylinder are you running?
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on May 05, 2015, 12:22:48 PM
Stock master cylinder, mustang calipers
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Post by: V8Demon on May 05, 2015, 03:13:54 PM
All the lines stock?  Prop rod and booster as well?
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Post by: Bob on May 05, 2015, 03:35:59 PM
yeah v8demon,  all stock body lines.  The only thing I did was put one of those adapters on the front to work with stang line and the cougar body line.  One of the sides was the proper size fitting.  I bought one of those power bleeders too and bleed the  out the system twice and bench bleed the master cylinder twice.  I tried two master cylinders the one that came with cougar and the one that came from my black 88 tbird.

**edit**
quick summary:
parts are:

mustang booster
mustang 11" calipers and lines
the master cylinder from my old tbird (and tried cougar master cylinder)
10" cougar 8.8 drums
no fluid leaks
good stream when bleeding system.

Brake pedal travels to floor and is slow to return,  than when pressed again the resistence on the pedal is slightly better.
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Post by: thundr306 on May 05, 2015, 05:58:14 PM
Way to stick with the project! It will all be worth it.

Jim
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Post by: V8Demon on May 05, 2015, 06:04:03 PM
The Mustang booster and Cougarbird booster are different parts IIRC.  Got a Cougarbird one laying around?

Also, I know with the 73 mm calipers and 11" brakes the stock master makes for a mushy pedal.  This is PROBABLY your issue.
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Post by: Bob on May 05, 2015, 06:51:31 PM
Quote from: thundr306;447746
Way to stick with the project! It will all be worth it.

Jim


Thanks Jim


Quote from: V8Demon;447748
The Mustang booster and Cougarbird booster are different parts IIRC.  Got a Cougarbird one laying around?

Also, I know with the 73 mm calipers and 11" brakes the stock master makes for a mushy pedal.  This is PROBABLY your issue.


So is this what I need?

http://www.maximummotorsports.com/Master-Cylinder-1993-Cobra-1-bore-new-1979-95-Mustang-P668.aspx
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Post by: V8Demon on May 06, 2015, 11:18:01 AM
You'll need the conversion lines to run it as well.
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Post by: Aerocoupe on May 06, 2015, 11:03:55 PM
The MC out of an 87-93 Fox 5.0 Mustang is that same one for the 87-88 V8 Birds and Cougars and is the same one in the 4 cylinder 87-93 Fox Mustangs.  They all have a 1.187" bore size so volumetrics should not be an issue there with the MC not providing enough fluid with regards to the MC.  The 87-88 Birds and Cougars seem to have come with a 9.5" single diaphragm brake booster and the 87-93 5.0 Mustangs came with a 7.5" diameter dual diaphragm brake booster.  Being that you basically have Mustang brakes on the car now I would say that the Mustang brake booster is the proper choice but I do know the T-Bird/Cougar unit will also work just fine with the brakes you have on the car.

With that being said I would say two things need to be looked at:
1) Did you adjust the rod tip on the brake booster?  If not go here and it will give you the basics on how to do this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrFEzfDnzqM.  If you go to far the brakes will drag which will require you to back the adjustment off.
2) With a pedal that travels to the floor and is slow to return I am going to say that you have a bad MC as it sounds like fluid is passing around the piston.

The brakes you have on the car do not require the Cobra 1" bore MC so why go through the hassle if you do not need to.

Darren
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Post by: Bob on May 06, 2015, 11:58:53 PM
Thanks for the reply Darren I'll check out the rod.  Eventually I'll be upgrading the brakes all around but not anytime soon.  Just looking to get the basics done and get the car streetable right now
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Post by: Haystack on May 07, 2015, 12:08:38 AM
My 86 had terrible breaks even though it passed the skidpad test. I couldn't get any fluid to the rear drums when i found and replaced leaky brake cylinder. The new master fixed everything, including blowing out the other rear brake cylinder.
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Post by: Aerocoupe on May 07, 2015, 10:15:18 AM
Just watch your brake bias and hydraulics.  If it were me I would not install the Cobra MC until you decide to move up to brakes like the stock SN95 Mustang GT or Cobra setups.  The way you are describing the pedal feel and the slow return it just screams a bad MC to me.

Darren
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Post by: Bob on May 07, 2015, 10:33:10 AM
Quote from: Aerocoupe;447807
Just watch your brake bias and hydraulics.  If it were me I would not install the Cobra MC until you decide to move up to brakes like the stock SN95 Mustang GT or Cobra setups.  The way you are describing the pedal feel and the slow return it just screams a bad MC to me.

Darren


Maybe I'll just get a stock one than,  I can get a new cardone master for $45 at advance... I thought they were both around the same price so going with the upgrade master made better sense but with shipping and the conversion kit the cobra is about $100 more plus more labor.

**EDIT**

I just ordered a stock one.. $41 amazon.. prime shipping too, so I'll have it Saturday.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on August 02, 2015, 10:28:33 PM
I did put a brand new stock master cylinder in and the brakes feel exactly the same.  So that makes three different master cylinders,  same condition.  It stops okay, but brake pedal is slow to return to normal position.  I bleed the  out of everything.  I think it just might be me and I'm use to how my old tbird felt with the turbo coupe disc rear and how that pedal felt versus the drum rear I have now. 

So how well priced is this 5lug / SN95 brake kit?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOX-FORD-MUSTANG-5-LUG-FRONT-REAR-DISC-BRAKE-CONVERSION-KIT-94-95-SPINDLES-/121159103270?hash=item1c35a53326&vxp=mtr
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Aerocoupe on August 02, 2015, 10:39:16 PM
Total rip off. Complete 8.8 out of a GT car is usually about $250 to $400 and you can get the complete front setup spindles out for $125 to $200 from most salvage / recycle yards.

Darren
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Ramos617 on August 03, 2015, 04:45:08 AM
Agreed, for that kind of money it better be cobra brakes all around
Look around on Craig's list, I always see people parting out sn95s
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on August 03, 2015, 10:51:54 PM
ok thanks guys.. Stay away from 99-04 rears? right?
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Ramos617 on August 04, 2015, 05:03:32 AM
Yea those will be too wide
94-98 v8 rear ends are what you want
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on August 04, 2015, 06:15:54 PM
Ok thanks guys,  I got a ton of yards around here.  I'm gonna hit them this weekend
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on October 23, 2015, 11:45:52 PM
It's been a couple months,  things been moving this week.  Getting windshield installed Wednesday by safelite ($208 on site),  got some new tires today in the mail, getting alignment and inspection done next weekend.  Ordered wideband O2 tonight to finish up tune with willie @dirtydirtyracing.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on November 14, 2015, 07:29:43 PM
Brakes are fixed!  It was the brake booster giving the spongy pedal and slow return of the pedal when pressing it.  Put a new booster in today and it's perfect no more pedal issues.  I got the windshield done, tires are mounted to the rims just have to drop them off at the garage and put them on.  Might have a problem with the tailpipe on passenger side and the wider tires it looks close when I took off the old ones.

Next up:

-Alignment and inspection
-install the wideband O2 and gotta order the BE/EA software dongle for the quarterhorse.
-send wideband o2 data logs to willy@dirtydirtyracing to finish the tune.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thunderjet302 on November 14, 2015, 08:07:18 PM
Almost there. Just in time to put it away for the winter :hick:
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on November 14, 2015, 08:55:28 PM
Lol, yeah I know.. I'm hoping to put a couple hundred miles on it before the end of the year.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on May 30, 2018, 09:40:41 PM
I hope everyone has been well on the forum, it's been a couple years.  I decided to finally call it quits with the cougar.  The car is for sale and I'm currently taking offers.  I'll leave it up here for about a month if no bites I'll post on mustang sites and other sites and will probably part it out. 

All the pictures and what has been done is in this thread.  I'll try and sum everything up in a single post in a week or so, just really busy right now.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: ZondaC12 on June 01, 2018, 11:14:21 AM
You took one look at Binary Editor and your head started spinning right?
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 01, 2018, 12:12:27 PM
Quote from: ZondaC12;465974
You took one look at Binary Editor and your head started spinning right?

You could use another XR7.......

BTW where the hell do you store all those Cougars? Or find the time to drive them?
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: ZondaC12 on June 01, 2018, 01:06:33 PM
Lou you sunnnnuva....biiitch (I'm sure you get the reference ;))

This is my garbage can.    Long story. (I need that light blue colored eyes rolling around gif-smiley from The Corral...)
And as far as time, yeah there's not much lol

X
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 01, 2018, 05:06:12 PM
Is that the garage attached to your house?
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: ZondaC12 on June 04, 2018, 11:10:58 AM
It's got an apartment upstairs. I did it it the stupid way, from a not-getting-bent-over-with-taxes standpoint.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 05, 2018, 01:21:51 PM
Quote from: ZondaC12;466002
It's got an apartment upstairs. I did it it the stupid way, from a not-getting-bent-over-with-taxes standpoint.


Apparently I am not as committed as you. I like a full size house ;)

/end thread derail
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: ZondaC12 on June 05, 2018, 04:29:24 PM
Nice job!!! You'll be all over the news. Oh the humanity!!

Bob, hope you are well too. Good luck with whatever direction you choose.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on June 07, 2018, 09:12:34 PM
thats a serious garage Zonda.  I recently got a large promotion at work so I'm pretty sure I'm not going to have time for cougar,  honestly I lost interest in the working on cars anymore.  I'd really like to see it go to someone here on the forum.  I'm not looking for a ton of money for it. 

I'm firm at $4500 for the cougar and everything I got will go with it ( tbird/cougar specific parts).  Any less than that I'll just store it for couple more years,  and try to get into the hobby again.. but it's been 9 years so it's safe to say I'm out lol.

If anyone is interested give me a call at 215-485-2903
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Chuck W on June 08, 2018, 07:56:58 AM
Bob-
Can you make a post in the For Sale section for this?

You can link to this thread for details on the car/build, but I'd rather have any discussions regarding selling, etc. done in the proper section.

Thanks.
Title: 408 stroker project (For Sale 5/2018)
Post by: Bob on June 09, 2018, 09:07:33 AM
np thanks chuck
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