just an idea. (off the wall idea) Reply #30 – October 25, 2005, 12:45:27 AM yep thats them Quote Selected
just an idea. (off the wall idea) Reply #31 – October 25, 2005, 08:01:55 AM With those speakers your outa luck, if you wire in an 8 owm load you not going to get enough power, wire it in a 2 ohm stereo your going to get to much power. 8 ohm youll get 125 watts to little for those subs like was stated earlier in a 2 ohm stereo youll get 500 per sub to much for the 350W nom rating. by my caculation those speakers should handle 494W all day with no problems this is based upon the 700W peak power rating, 700 x .707 = 494 RMS power, i would wire them into a 2 ohm stereo. ill draw a diagram and post it later. Quote Selected
just an idea. (off the wall idea) Reply #32 – October 25, 2005, 11:57:04 AM You cannot wire them to 2 ohm stereo, the amp will only handle 4 ohm stereo when bridged. And the RMS value for the speakers is already there on the page, at 350 watts RMS. Quote Selected
just an idea. (off the wall idea) Reply #33 – October 25, 2005, 03:14:45 PM Quote from: BIGmeat15071You cannot wire them to 2 ohm stereo, the amp will only handle 4 ohm stereo when bridged. And the RMS value for the speakers is already there on the page, at 350 watts RMS. Nominal is not the same as RMS and yes it is 2 ohm stereo. Wire your subs in to a 2 ohm load (voice coils in parelle(sp)assuming yo have two 4 ohm voice coils) then connet the + of speaker 1 to the + of channel 1 on the amp and the - of speaker 1 to the - of channel 2, + of speaker 2 to the + of channel 3 and the - of speaker 2 to the - of channel 3. that would be wiring in a 2 ohm stereo. check your owners manual to make sure this is correct this is how most 2 ohm stereos amps are wired, some make it tricky though.4 Channel Amplification Tri-Way Output Configuration:4 x 250 Watts Output2 x 500 Watts Bridged Output2 x 250 Watts Front + 1 x 500 Watts Rear 1000 Watts Total Output Polished Chrome Finish w/Plexiglass Panel Remote Control Bass Booster (0~12dB @ 60Hz) Fully Adjustable Electronic Crossover Network Soft turn On/Off Circuit [COLOR="Red"]2 Ohm Stereo Stable [/COLOR][/I][/B]Bridgeable into 4 Ohms Dual MOSFET PWM Power Supplies Variable Gain Control Remote Turn On/Off Hi/Lo Level Inputs Power On LED Indicator LED Protection Indicator S/N Ratio: >90dB THD: <0.04% Frequency Response: 10Hz-30k Hz Thermal, Overload & Short Circuit Protection Dimensions: 2''H x 11''W x 12.2''L Quote Selected
just an idea. (off the wall idea) Reply #34 – October 25, 2005, 09:22:02 PM Then why does it say bridgeable into 4 ohms? With what you are saying, aren't you bridging 2 channels on each side? Quote Selected
just an idea. (off the wall idea) Reply #35 – October 26, 2005, 08:35:52 AM Yes you are bridging 2 channels, into a 2Ohm stereo load. Unfortunately My adobe is screwing up and i cant read all the specs on it, Me personally i would get new subs to handle more power and a new amp sell what he has on E-bay. Quote Selected
just an idea. (off the wall idea) Reply #36 – October 26, 2005, 11:44:12 AM I didn't even look at the manual. After taking a look at the manual, it even states that minimum speaker impedance when bridged is 4 ohms. Attached is a screenshot from the manual. Quote Selected
just an idea. (off the wall idea) Reply #37 – October 26, 2005, 01:02:01 PM Then he's screwed with his current set-up. Quote Selected
just an idea. (off the wall idea) Reply #38 – October 27, 2005, 01:20:02 AM If you are still looking into to bass in your door idea and you have the cash of course you could always try these. Yeah, I realize they are expensive, and it would take a lot of custom work, but you are talking about a pretty exotic speaker setup. And as far as what tbird85 said on not going over 10" for rock, I have a dual voice coil Infinity reference 12" that handles all the double bass Arch Enemy, Tourniquet, Living Sacrifice, Narnia, and even tons of techno can dish out. If you really want to go high end, check out http://www.reaudio.com they have some very amazing products. I realize it seems like you are on a budget, but maybe you can return to this in the future when you get more money to invest. Just thought I'd add my two cents. Quote Selected
just an idea. (off the wall idea) Reply #39 – October 27, 2005, 08:13:08 AM Quote from: DakotaEpichave a dual voice coil Infinity reference 12" that handles all the double bass Arch Enemy, Tourniquet, Living Sacrifice, Narnia, and even tons of techno can dish out. I've always like infinity, cant beat them for their sound quality, been years since i got out of the stero scene. I know there are alot of new things. Back when I did it it was always a rule of thumb 10 for rapid beat 12+ for the Hum... Post some pics of you set-up if you would i would like to see it, and have you had it metered what ddi you hit? Quote Selected
just an idea. (off the wall idea) Reply #40 – October 27, 2005, 03:24:47 PM Haha, it's pretty ghetto rigged right now. Since I like to keep my full size spare, it's crammed in the corner. I did actually try it mounted in the middle of the trunk and it didn't hit as hard. I haven't had it metered yet though. My full setup is as follows.Kenwood KDC 4019 head unitKenwood 5 1/4" 2-way coaxial speakers up front.Infinity Kappa 6x9" 3 way coaxial speakers in rear.Infinity Reference 12" Dual Voice Coil subwoofer.Rockford Fosgate Sp series 300 watt amplifier.The amp is pretty weak for what that sub can handle, but the rest of the system sounds good.As far as that old rule of thumb, it still pretty much remains true as far as single voice coil subs go. A friend of mine has 2 pioneer 10's mounted in his Elantra and I swear mine outperforms his on sound quality, and loudness. The sub was a great deal too, I picked it up at Ultimate ELectronis for 80 bucks.Here's some pics. Sorry they are py cam phone pics, it's just what was easiet though. Quote Selected
just an idea. (off the wall idea) Reply #41 – October 27, 2005, 04:02:29 PM Not bad, I used to use Hifonics and Autotek (same company), 2 10's with a 100W rated amp. People hated it, the rating on the amp was misprinted on all model it was a 601ex, true rating of 600W. It hit nicely ill see if i can scrounge up some pics. Quote Selected
just an idea. (off the wall idea) Reply #42 – October 30, 2005, 01:19:23 AM ok so ive done some diggin and have comeup with this. due to unproperly hooking up the subs i have a voice coil on each sub burt out. not giving me the sound i need or want. so during the week im gonna go talk to my stereo guy and see what he can do for subs and a new amp to just power the subs. i know they have the same ones i have now. but would like to upgrade to the new model just to be new. so my legacy amp will just be for the rear speakers in the car or what ever i choose it to be for. and my 300watt pioneer i will put off to the side or sell to a buddy. as for subs and amp tell me what you guys think i'll link them to the page.subs http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4061_153020676,00.html?compName=PNA_Produc tDetailComponentamphttp://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_183982244_152869076,00.html?compName=PNA_ProductDetailComponent Quote Selected
just an idea. (off the wall idea) Reply #43 – October 30, 2005, 09:22:25 AM If you are going to run the mono amp with the DVC I would look into the amp and see if it's 1ohm stable.Because when you run all 4 voice coils to the amp its running 1 ohm which can overheat things quick.I would look for SVC and them it would be a 2ohm load. Quote Selected
just an idea. (off the wall idea) Reply #44 – October 30, 2005, 10:56:14 AM Not to be mean or anything why pioneer there are alot of nicer subs and amps for about the same price. Pioneer are good dont get me wrong. but if your going to do it do it right. And i would stay away from DVC unless you know for a fact your amp can handle a 1 ohm load, if its only 2 ohm stable get to 4 Ohm SVC subs *edit*I just read the specs on the amp and subs...... amp 800 Watts, 360W RMS in a 2 Ohm load only 250W RMOS in a 4 Ohm. On the bright side Sig>noise and THD are great so it is going to be a clean amp. You do realise if you try to ever enter into a competition you will be in the 500-1000w class only pushing 360 Watts. Unless they have changed the rules in the past few years. I owuld definatly look for something other than pioneer. Quote Selected
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