Have fun with your chinese Camaro

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Have fun with your chinese Camaro

April 23, 2009, 04:25:42 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/23/autos/gm_unwind/?postversion=2009042315

Have fun with your chinese Camaro

Reply #1 – April 23, 2009, 04:36:08 PM

bot sure how you got "chinese camaro" out of that.

Have fun with your chinese Camaro

Reply #2 – April 23, 2009, 07:49:50 PM

because this is the precursor of things to come for GM. they say closing down the plants will help.. but in the long run, they will be moving production to china.

Have fun with your chinese Camaro

Reply #3 – April 23, 2009, 08:43:23 PM

well they have to do something, all these yuppie assholes in the world today have this bug about American cars. We definately had trouble in the 80's due to emissions and so forth, but we have turned around. Many people are just skeptical about it.

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Reply #4 – April 23, 2009, 09:34:40 PM

Quote from: jpc647;268861

well they have to do something, all these yuppie assholes in the world today have this bug about American cars. We definately had trouble in the 80's due to emissions and so forth, but we have turned around. Many people are just skeptical about it.

Most if not all Ford/GM vehicles (I don't consider Chrysler American anymore) have actually surpassed the puppies & Chinese in quality(If i remember correctly).

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Reply #5 – April 24, 2009, 01:06:51 AM

Quote from: 20th anny 5.o;268869

Most if not all Ford/GM vehicles (I don't consider Chrysler American anymore) have actually surpassed the puppies & Chinese in quality(If i remember correctly).

very VERY true. I can see it first hand, as I usually go to dealerships from time to time and test drive/check out the new cars that arrive. I really REALLY cannot wait until the next Focus RS comes to the us. Man I really wish this version was here,

it was the fastest car ever around Ford's test track in the UK. FASTER THAN EVEN THE FORD GT! :burnout:

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Reply #6 – April 24, 2009, 01:14:23 AM

GM cars have the worst build quality I've ever seen.... I'm not surprised at this "Chinese Camaro" comment. Most of the cars they've built in the last 10 years aren't even to Chinese quality standards.

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Reply #7 – April 24, 2009, 01:30:47 AM

Quote from: Ifixyawata;268892

GM cars have the worst build quality I've ever seen.... I'm not surprised at this "Chinese Camaro" comment. Most of the cars they've built in the last 10 years aren't even to Chinese quality standards.

I have always felt that GM cars have a cheap feeling to them, thought it was just me being bias.

As far as American cars being of higher quality than foreign cars.... I dont believe so. My opinion, I think they are better quality for the long haul for the cars they are building today. Could just be my experiences.

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Reply #8 – April 24, 2009, 08:35:29 AM

well, many people wanted it cheaper. "IT" meaning everythng they can get thier grubby paws on. All you hear is cheap cheap cheap., and you get it in return, the throw away consumer market.

No one has disipline to be loyal, instead many prop up forgien markets and hope they run right over us. Hey , we got what we wanted right? and we put a mouth piece in as top dog to talk us down to the rest of the world. Many should be happy all this is happening.

Myself, I look forward to my next tea party.

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Reply #9 – April 24, 2009, 09:36:41 AM

Quote from: 20th anny 5.o;268869

Most if not all Ford/GM vehicles (I don't consider Chrysler American anymore) have actually surpassed the puppies & Chinese in quality(If i remember correctly).

I don't know about GM, but Ford has equaled or bettered Toyota in quality. They've been advertising it lately. I couldn't confirm it from first hand experience because I wouldn't own a foreign car if you paid me. I have been driving Fords for over 30 years and they have treated me great.

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Reply #10 – April 24, 2009, 09:46:49 AM

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because this is the precursor of things to come for GM. they say closing down the plants will help.. but in the long run, they will be moving production to china.

GM is already producing cars in China, for the Chinese market, and Buick is actually their fastest-selling brand there. The cars are sold as fast as they can be built. Therefore there is not enough capacity for GM to build cars for both China and North America in China. GM will likely file for bankruptcy first. Unless China decides to dump billions in cash into GM to keep them afloat (or help them emerge from bankruptcy) then GM moving to China is not likely.

Lest you forget the cheap Chinese 5.0 intakes that don't fit right? It's not a GM-only problem.

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well, many people wanted it cheaper. "IT" meaning everythng they can get thier grubby paws on. All you hear is cheap cheap cheap., and you get it in return, the throw away consumer market.

Exactly my point about the intakes. Demand was high, people wanted them, they weren't being produced in America, in came the cheap Chinese knock-offs. People got what they wanted, alright.

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Reply #11 – April 24, 2009, 09:54:35 AM

Quote from: Carl;268851

because this is the precursor of things to come for GM. they say closing down the plants will help.. but in the long run, they will be moving production to china.

You don't seem to understand the auto industry very much. The Camaro is made in Canada. And that means currently. It would cost them more to build a new plant in China and tool it for production of the Camaro than it would cost them to continue to build more than they can sell in Canada for two years straight, now that the plants have already been retooled and the workers trained.

And Both GM and Chrysler did this exact same thing last year, as well as many, MANY other automakers. Idling plants did not start here and now. Remember last year, when Toyota idled their truck plant, but kept their workers on to plant trees? Here they are idling 12 plants for 11 days in puppiesan. Here Ford idles 9 factories due to overproduction.

Also, I hate to tell you this man, but we're not getting the RS. In Europe it sells for BMW 3 Series money. No one in North America would pick a Focus, no matter how hot, over a 3.

Quote from: Ifixyawata;268892

GM cars have the worst build quality I've ever seen.... I'm not surprised at this "Chinese Camaro" comment. Most of the cars they've built in the last 10 years aren't even to Chinese quality standards.

Have you read anything about Chinese cars? Do a google search to see how they fair in crash tests.

More on what Cassidy and Eric are talking about. Look on Ebay for a 'turbo' and see how many are for sale for $150-300 brand new, buy it now. These are cheap Chinese grenades, and these products being put on the mass market have caused the deaths of top quality brands. GReddy, for example. You've got a Garret going for $1,300, and right below it an XYZChina model goes for $200. Most ignorant and cheap consumers make up their mind on dollar value alone.

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Reply #12 – April 24, 2009, 02:42:02 PM

Quote from: oldraven;268935

Also, I hate to tell you this man, but we're not getting the RS. In Europe it sells for BMW 3 Series money. No one in North America would pick a Focus, no matter how hot, over a 3.

I hate the new M3's i think they look hideous, i would give my right nut for a Focus RS. If they do bring it over i can see it being a limited run production kinda like what they did with the GT. So yes i would pick a Focus over the ugly new M3. Hell even if i loved the way the new M3's looked i would still pick the RS. i have been joensing over the European RS for years.

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Reply #13 – April 24, 2009, 03:23:46 PM

It would be nice, but Ford already told us we wouldn't be getting it. You have to admit that people like us here on this board are not the typical North American car buyer. Especially since we are enthusiasts for used cars.

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Reply #14 – April 24, 2009, 07:16:54 PM

ok.. ok the china camaro thing was more of a joke than anything... I did not even know they were made in canada.

btw what source do you have on us not getting the focus rs?

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/06/rumormill-entry-no-3-256-north-america-could-get-next-gen-for/