Poll
Question: Who's gonna take it?
I wouldn't even think of asking this question in a less-civilized board, but I think we can handle it here. We're all mature adults and get along remarkably well. That being said, if this thread gets out of hand with name-calling and whatnot I'll weild my mighty admin stick and smite it out of existence faster than you can collectively blink. Be civil, folks - 'tis all I ask.
At the risk of polarizing just about everybody, who do ya think is gonna take the election?
The question is not necessarily who are you gonna vote for, nor who you think SHOULD win, but who you think WILL win and why.
I think Kerry's gonna take it due to the activist vote. Not saying that everyone who votes for Kerry is an activist, but what I'm saying is that people who vote Kerry are looking for change or are pissed off at something, and people who are looking for change or are pissed off at something (in short, people with strong feelings) are more likely to get out and vote. Myself, I'm Canadian, so I don't really get to vote.
Can't say yet who I think will win, with all the chances of vote tampering with these Diebold (a company firmly in Bush's pocket) machines counting votes down here. But this time I voted my conscience, and gave a big up-yours to both major parties. (voted Libertarian Party)
If I had to choose between the two, I'd pick Kerry.. simply because I hate the Bush family so much. I'd love to see them all locked up.
And on that note, my ride is here to go get the other T-bird. Have fun.
i second bird351 the bush family are all :asshole:s and G dubya is just a puppet of daddy.I dont want another puppet government.
Bush. Anyone who says Kerry "misunderestimates" the redneck/hick/cowboy wannabe/NRA factor in America. :flame: There's ALOT of them! :yuck: (i'm looking at you jkirchman!)
:giggle: I kid, I kid. But yea, Bush.
Kerry, final answer.
bush all the way. with kerry in, i think america will be done. not economically, but by getting the shiznit knock out of us by all the bombs from other countries sence, kerry will disarm our military.
can anyone please please please please tell me why i should have voted for bush? I have not found a single person out there who seems to be able to introduce a reason without the blemish of Iraq in thier first take off sentence,,only to close with more and more about that mess.
However,,, if you need someone who can only manage 1 thing,,he is the man but a multitasker he is not.
we , our elderly and our kids deserve a ******LEADER**** , not tunnel vision single subject project manager.
No one's gonna take guns from america so cram that up your ,opps sorry. but you might wanna give me a reason other than iraq.
Dont give me the "pro-life" thing either cause bush got elected with some exceptions to the pro-life but wrote up these exceptions in a manner that makes them pretty unusable. Pretty much cheated those votes.
I DARE ANYONE TO COME UP WITH ONE REASON OTHER THAN IRAQ. :nono: :dunno: :macgun: :flip:
If you are a baby killer, queer/lesbian, liberal hippy, or want to see unemployment rise and raise taxes so small business go bankrupt then vote Kerry....
Bush stands for patriotism, pro-life, and has brought down the unemployment rate 5.6% from what Clinton had up around 6%, jobs have been lost for manufactures to over seas do to the fact that the union has such high demands for someone to sit on an assembly line and paint a dot on an object to make $25+ which unions are 90% democratic, so blame your fellow democrats for job loss and ask Kerry's wife why her Heinz Company is in Europe and not in the States, the simple answer is that she can not compete with the difference in wages being demanded.
Whoa whoa whoa, what's with the labels? No political issue is ever that polarized, period. Don't buy into the media hype and propoganda. What bothers me is that I hear people spew out garbage on a daily basis, on both sides, that are false caricatures of the other candidate/political party.
Bottom line, to keep this debate civlized let's get some non-biased (aka not Fox News) references.
For example:
Whaaaaaaaaat?? :dunno:
Obviously not a personal attack on you Dook, we all know you're an a-ok guy.
Let's keep the political rhetoric and opposition bashing to ourselves, eh? Or take it to a board that's better suited to name calling, labelling, etc. I asked who you thought would win, I didn't ask for your political leanings. I didn't ask who you think should win, I asked who you think will win. put the politics aside, it's too late for that anyway. All I want is for you all to get out your crystal balls and predict the outcome. It's too late to try to influence it.
FWIW, if I could vote I don't know who I'd vote for. Neither major candidate floats my boat and Nader is too anti-car. In this way Canadian and American politics are very similar. Don't matter what the parties are called, either one will screw you when it's all over.
I dont really like Kerry or Bush. I think that Bush will win, But I would rather Kerry. I really dont understand why we are in Iraq. I dont know alot about Kerry, But I dont support the war, and neither does anyone else that I know. Im not a tree hugger, But I see no reason for us to be liberating Them.(sorry jcassity, this wasen't ment to piss you off)
When it comes to the economy, I am personally no better off then 4 years ago. I know that part of this was because of 9/11, and I know that it isnt fair to blame this on Bush. But the economy was on a downward drop way before 9/11.It also dosent make me feel any better the Bush hasent vetoed a single bill.
The main reason that I personally stick up for Kerry, is because he stands up for the little guy. I think he knows alittle better what the worth of a human life is.
Bush also has spent more time on vacation then any other president in history. Bush had a report on his desk for 9 months before 9/11. It included bomb threats at the World Trade Center including the date and time. Bush never even read it. 6 of the 9 months that that report sat at his desk, he wasent even there. That dosent make me fell any better.
1100+ people have died in a war that I dont approve of , support, or understand. Bush has been trying to take out Saddam since his first day in power(this isnt made up, I saw it on a special on pbs). And I think he used the American people's anger, and misfortine for his own personal gain. If this war goes on for 4 more years, Bush will have killed almost as many solders as the terrorists killed civilians. That number dosent even bother Bush. He just says over and over again that we are winning, and the Iraqis are glad that we are there. The trush is, they cannot walk the streets at night(which they could before) and they have lost their jobs and family.
I defined a terrorist in a paper at school right after 9/11. Looking through the key qualities of a terrorist, Bush made almost every single one. I dont care who is in power. But it would make me feel alittle better if it wasent Bush. I may be wrong, but at least I have an opinion. And it really dosent matter what I think anyways. I am not 18 and cannot vote.
Maybe I am just trying to be diffrent in a state of rich Republicans. I am the only one my age, In my neighborhood, that has bought my own car, clothes , computer, food,(I worked late alot and almost always missed dinner)paid for insurance(I am getting shafted at $60+ for a tank of gas and $200+ for insurance) ect.
I dont personally know if all of the informatin is correct, but that is what I belive. I am sorry if I offended anyone.
** edit sorry thunder chicken I got kicked offline and didnt read your message before typing this all up, If you want to you can delete this
ok guys i apolagize for what i stated in my 2nd post. it was just a copy and paste thing. sorry hope i didnt offend anybody
Hey they just said that a 269 to 269 tie is possible, than it goes to the house, that would be screwy :slap: :dunno: :asshole: :macgun: :banana:
I hear ya Carm, hows that saying go..? Something about politics and religion :banana:
I say in the event of a tie they fight to the death! :evilgrin:
That would be cool... Hell it would be a good ppv event
aww to bad kerry voters.... BUSH pretty much won :ies:
Yep, especially since it's all official now!
Kerry's now behind by only 7 electoral votes, up from ~50 behind an hour ago
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well looks like bush got 5 more votes. I'm sure new mexico will go for bush also, they just fit in with all the other states who voted for bush betwen the west coast and the northeast. Iowa, Wisconsin, and Ohio look to be the last ones we're waiting on
I had a bad feeling when I heard that support for Bush went UP after the bin Laden video.. that made me remember that the population at large really isn't all that bright.
People act like this has protected us from terrorism. He hasn't done jack, except for anger millions of new potential terrorists.. but since those operations take time to set up, HE won't have to worry about it.. most of the backlash won't happen on his watch. We weren't exactly swimming in terrorists pre-Bush, and we've only had one attack since he took office. BIG DEAL. That has nothing to do with anything he's done.
The Bush family is interested solely in their own wallets. That's why Prescott Bush (Dumbya's grandfather) laundered money for the puppiess. That's why much of their family has been involved in stuff like savings and loan scandals. That's why Neil Bush pulls a $2 million a year "consulting fee" from the Chinese government in something he has pretty much no experience doing, which only came out in public because of his divorce proceedings. That's why Jeb Bush runs scams down here to funnel money made by school fundraising drives into Texas software companies run by other Bush family members.. and why he writes unusual long-term contracts for the state food service jobs, for stuff like supplying prisons with meals, when his wife's involved with the company getting the unusual contract. The Bush family is one big group con-job on the American people. I'm not exactly a patriotic sort of person, but in all honesty, I view blind support of Bush to be downright un-American.
The sad thing is, aside from NOT being a member of the Bush family, which is a credit in my book, I don't see Kerry as being any better.. or I'd have considered voting for him. But at least with Kerry, he'd have had a Repugnant congress in place to stonewall him on just about anything significantly bad he tried.. so he wouldn't have been able to do much damage. Now, with Bush around again, who knows how far they'll run this country further into the ground with stuff like Patriot Act 2 and more wars. (just wait until we go after Iran.. and Iran starts using the Sunburn missile, that they're supposedly trying to acquire from the Russians, in retaliation.. look it up sometime.. a supersonic anti-ship missile that makes the Exocet look like a bottle rocket, can carry up to a nuclear payload, and is virtually impossible for current shipboard missile defenses to stop)
I voted my conscience, and voted Libertarian. Not liberal.. that's in the White House, pretending to be a conservative. (he sure spends like a liberal) Fat lot of good that conscience will do for me when the really hits the fan in this country.
BTW, if you think this was written out of any significant amount of anger, you should see the angry parts I erased before hitting Quick Reply. :D
On, but off, topic:
I'm still sitting here buttstuffyzing what I posted.. wondering, am I angry right now? I mean, I know at least one person will read the above post and accuse me of being angry. Then I think just how exhausted I am at the moment. I really don't have the energy to be angry. Those first 20-30 miles or so, where the tow dolly started wagging badly four or five different times, (two of those times with my friend going "oh my god we're gonna flip") were probably some of the scariest of my life. I've never been in a vehicle that was unintentionally out of control (I did crazy in my teens.. getting small cars airborne on dirt mounds, etc.) for more than the briefest of moments. Never driven on ice.. never even really hydroplaned more than briefly. Got t-boned once at about 20-25 mph and spun 180, but that only lasted a second. Never flipped or landed in a ditch or anything like that, as far back as I can remember. (to back before I even drove.. believe me, I had plenty of time to dig back to my childhood and wonder if I had ever been in such a situation)
Why on, but off, topic? Because I'm too drained to have many real feelings over the election, aside from what I said above. Amusingly, the election probably happened at the best time for me, when I was really distracted with other stuff. (we didn't even have the radio on, in the truck) I probably would've been very angry if I had sat here all night watching things unfold.
Oh well.. in the end, I view either of the most likely outcomes to be a loss.
At least I got back home in one piece.. although I'm still pretty tense from the ride back.. and my ulcer flared up again. I will NEVER have a car towed by a tow dolly again.
(the last line of the previous post was a joke, BTW.. I didn't really erase a hell of a lot.. it just sounded good at the time.. I needed a laugh, even if I was being a dork and laughing at my own humor) :wtf: :hick:
Well so far our grassroots poll shows Kerry a clear winner but CNN would suggest otherwise. Right now Bush has 254 votes and Kerry has 252, or something like that (CNN is on a commercial right now so not sure of the exact figures, I just know it's only a two vote difference)
Bird351 - you've never driven on ice? You don't know what you're missing! There's nothing quite like hitting the brakes and having the car instantly change direction by 180 degrees, then sliding arse-first through a stop sign while hoping like hell that nothing is coming, and finally coming to a stop and enjoying that micro-moment of relief of not being hit, only to realize that the guy that was behind you ain't gonna stop either...
Tow dollys are fine for towing FWD vehicles. I use the Auto Transported from U-haul for towing RWD vehicles. It has to do with weight distribution.
Dito
Since I'm not from the States I don't have a vote, but if I did, Bush would not get it.
First off, I think the extreme price we are paying now for oil is because of the previous 4 years of Bush government. It seems like every time to Bush government made an announcement the next day the price of oil went up; "we're going to war in Afganastan" - oil went up, "we're going to war in Iraq" - oil went up, "there's been a hurrican in Florida and the refineries are not producing fuel" - oil went up... Bush must be making money of the high price of oil. I can't prove any of it but it does make me apprensive.
Second, and the biggest reason i would not vote for Bush is his stand on Stem Cell Research. As some of you know, I'm in a wheelchair and have been for almost 21 years as a result of a MVA when I was 15. Stem Cell Research offers the best chance of me ever walking again. Bush's stand on SCR will setback the chance of a cure for paraplegia, and a lot of other health issues, 10 to 15 years.
Disclaimer: The above is my opinion and not neccessary the opinion of this board and/or it's moderators.
"Baby killer" That is not even a issue! It womens rights to chose and as one I feel I deserve that right. If a womans life is in danger she should be allowed to save herself.
"sportsmen for Bush" I didnt see Bush out hunting but I did see a video of Kerry out there hunting. Democrats are Not out to take your guns!
Probly Bush will win.....I wish people would vote on who would make a better president not on stereo types. I dont think the Bush campaine should have declared victory yet it was a wrong thing to do and I hope more that anything Kerry makes him look like and ass infront of the whole country!
You know when I was in middle school they had a little fake school vote and I voted republican cuz one of my friends told me democrats are baby killers.
NOT meant to make anyone mad!!!!! :p
I hope Kerry wins, but I think it'll be Bush, even though most of the votes have come in. I think so because there's a war going on. You don't change leadership when you're at war. Plus, I believe Bush will finish the job in Iraq (somewhere I don't believe he belongs anyway) a lot quicker than Kerry. I see Kerry pulling out either before it's finished or slowing the effort and dragging the whole war out longer than needed.
Plus, Kerry has no intrest in opening the borders to Canadian trade at all.
Oh come now Andrew. I am a redHEAD, not a redNECK.
I am interested in how you came to have that opinion of me...
Bush-Cheney 2008! Repeal that stupid 22nd amendment! Maybe with Jeb and some others we can keep the Bush's in the White House for 20 years!
Are you TRYING to make me ill..? :barf:
It wouldn't surprise me, honestly. From what I hear, Clinton spent a LOT of time on the phone at the end of his 2nd term, trying to find possible loopholes that would allow him to remain. No reason why this puke wouldn't try the same thing.. except this one has four years to put into place more rules for suspending elections based on "terrorism".
I'm as sick and tired of it as you are. I was being REALLY sarcastic. I've heard there's real talk of repealing the 22nd amendment (2-term limit on a single president) :dunno:
Schwarzenegger in '08!!!!
yea there wouldnt be any wars anymore..... AHNOLD would be tehre by himself... and kickin ass too :banana:
Imagine him leaving a heated summit meeting with some foreign leader, pausing on the way out the door, turning around and uttering....
"I'll be back..."
Personally I think the 22nd amendment should be tossed. If you get a good president (a stretch, I know) you should be able to keep 'im. If you get a bad one you have the opportunity every four years to toss 'im. The 22nd amendment is just foolish.
Up here in The Great Wet North (not white yet, thankyouverymuch) we can keep a prime minister 'til way past his prime. Cretin (misspelling entirely intentional) was in for over a decade and left just as the shiznit washiznitting the fan, but we did choose to keep 'im there that long. Had we not felt he was the guy for the job we'd have tossed 'im out like we did with the Conservatives back in the early 90's.
"No! I'm not sending all our work to China, Girlyman!" :giggle:
better yet... what will the iraq's say when they are watching a dubbed version of termenation. and the credits will say "pres of the usa"
Well you DO live in North Carolina, right? :hick: :giggle:
Yea, ok I guess that was a bit undeserved. I shall bring a peace offering of donuts at the next CJ.
Besides the fact the Schwarzenegger is ineligible to run for President, the Republican party would never nominate him - apparently he's PO'ed many of them because he is not as conservative as they'd like him to be.
And a little off topic, but anybody thinks he has a huge Kennedy complex? I mean, he married into the family and has made it pretty clear he wants to be President if he can. That's frickin insane! :wtf:
Haystackquote(sorry jcassity, this wasen't ment to piss you off) quote
not sure what you mean,, i implied that i voted for kerry in my post, besides i could not agree with you more
thunderchicken
i admire your interest in the US elections. I only wish i could be more up to speed on whats going on in Canada.
I only wish we would trade more you you guys. You all have some of the best steel making talent in the world and i have seen that first hand.
Ever heard of NEWTON or maybe Voith Semmens
I broke out the whole iraq thing almost first sentance...