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turbocoupe 5.0 swap

Reply #60 –
Ok, well...I thought someone said something about A/C stuff running through there.  I know I tapped into a wire there when I connected my oil pressure gauge (grey connector I believe).  So that gauge works, but some other things don't...  like my low oil and check engine lights.

I just figure the A/C is down in that rectangular connector in the kick panel (the one that goes from the chassis harness to the ECU harness).  Do you have any info on that?  How did you wire your A/C up?

Also, I can't help but wonder what isn't connected in those black and grey connectors (or what is working imporperly due to wrong pinning - because I do in fact have them connected)
1988 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe
'89 5.0 w/ ported intakes, Mallory Adjustable FPR, BBK shorties and H with 2.5" Flows, 130 amp 3G, 89 Mustang comp/wiring, Aluminum radiator w/ elec fan, T5 trans, King Cobra clutch, 3.55 gears, 13" Cobra brakes (front), Wilwood prop valve, Mustang A-arms, Front Coil-overs, MM CC plates, Silver 17x9 R's, 03 Cobra IRS, Aluminum DS, 2002 Mustang dash/console etc..., custom leather seats

turbocoupe 5.0 swap

Reply #61 –
Well it's my grey plug that is disconnected, black is connected. Besides gages I don't reall remember what else is in it(did my swap in '99). I'll need to pull out the main wiring diagram to see what's actually in them. The EVTM does not show ALL the connections in any one one plug.

The A/C connections are in the main engine harness(I used one from a '87 Bird), a Stang harness may be different. The Bird has the A/C cutout relay mounted near the passenger strut tower, you may want to check for that first. It is fed from the low pressure s/w mounted on the acculimator. The wire that feeds voltage to the compressor is a black/yellow and as I already stated is in the main harness. Ground side of the compressor is a black wire(I have it grounded at a starter relaymounting bolt. I believe the colors and circuits are 95% the same from Stang to Bird. BTW the supression diode across the A/C clutch coil is very important, without it the A/C cutout relay contacts will burn.

turbocoupe 5.0 swap

Reply #62 –
Hmmm, well ok, guess I have a lot of research and work to do.  I actually think did my swap around 99 also, maybe 00...  This project was me teaching myself cars.  Before that, all I ever did was an oil change on a buick!  hahaha, so yeah...  I am just now getting back to fine tuning it and I don't remember all that I had figured out back then.

Anyway, I have the WOT cut-out relay.  It was all there on my harness when I got it.  So I'm pretty sure I have all I need.  I think if I just get all my plumbing and make the proper connections between the dash and the Mustang harness, it'll all be working fine.  I mean, I know my harness has the plug for the compressor, the plug for the drier and the relay.  Could there be anything that would for some reason be outside of my 'bird or 'stang harness that I'm missing?

And btw, if I didn't mention it before, I really appreciate the help.  I am living in CA and I am driving back to WI to get the car in 3 weeks.  I have just barely a week there to pull the current motor and trans, strip and paint the engine compartment, clean-up/refresh and paint a different motor to put in, add in all the emissions stuff I never put on in the first place, put a new emissions legal exhaust on and get tail-pipes made, reinstall my 13" cobra brakes, fix all the A/C wiring (including Taurus panel to 'bird harness and 'bird harness to 'stang harness wiring) and do all the plumbing, troubleshoot and fix my cruise and a few other things before driving it all the way back to CA!  hahah, I can't wait!!!  :D
1988 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe
'89 5.0 w/ ported intakes, Mallory Adjustable FPR, BBK shorties and H with 2.5" Flows, 130 amp 3G, 89 Mustang comp/wiring, Aluminum radiator w/ elec fan, T5 trans, King Cobra clutch, 3.55 gears, 13" Cobra brakes (front), Wilwood prop valve, Mustang A-arms, Front Coil-overs, MM CC plates, Silver 17x9 R's, 03 Cobra IRS, Aluminum DS, 2002 Mustang dash/console etc..., custom leather seats

turbocoupe 5.0 swap

Reply #63 –
Quote from: foxford;10793
well that's just my personal opinion, I've used the bird k-members before and for no more trouble than it is to change k-members, I won't use a bird member again, but I build mine to take em to the track and personally can't stand the t-bird motor mounts, especially at twice the price of a Mustang/Mark VII mount.


I know this is a few years late... but ... search is a wonderful thing.

Will the MarkVII K-member work?

I have a donor MKVII ... wondering how much of it I can use.  The bird is an automatic... but I want to switch to a standard.

But hoping that I can use the engine and wiring from the MKVII.
1988 Black Turbo Coupe
1989 Fiji Blue Chrysler Conquest
1990 Silver Lincoln LSC MKVII
2003 Black Mercury Marauder - S/C
1967 Green Ford Fairlane
:burnout:

turbocoupe 5.0 swap

Reply #64 –
I'm guessing you can.  I'm 95% sure it would bolt up, but there may be differences (the airbag system?).  The 'which factory K' thing is really a preference thing.  I'm totally fine with my Thunderbird K and Chuck W makes poly mounts for the 5.0 with this K (i believe), but also, you can get stock rubber mounts, more expensive or not, and be fine.

Anyway, i'm kinda off topic.  If you WANT to use the Mark VII engine/wiring you should be fine with it's K-member.  Hopefully someone else can chime in, but if you already have the car, compare them, measure them, etc...  Maybe even post some pictures up for us to see the differences.
1988 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe
'89 5.0 w/ ported intakes, Mallory Adjustable FPR, BBK shorties and H with 2.5" Flows, 130 amp 3G, 89 Mustang comp/wiring, Aluminum radiator w/ elec fan, T5 trans, King Cobra clutch, 3.55 gears, 13" Cobra brakes (front), Wilwood prop valve, Mustang A-arms, Front Coil-overs, MM CC plates, Silver 17x9 R's, 03 Cobra IRS, Aluminum DS, 2002 Mustang dash/console etc..., custom leather seats

turbocoupe 5.0 swap

Reply #65 –
NO NO NO on the wiring... The Lincoln includes the level control and ABS system into the EEC harness... Instead of mostly running across the firewall, it runs down the driver side across the radiator support and back up the passenger side to the firewall... Its your worst nightmare and five bushel of snakes all rolled into one...

I too had a LSC donor, but wound up buying a 5.0 Bird and used it's harness, engine brackets/pulleys, AOD shifter, driveshaft, fuel lines, etc, etc, etc...

turbocoupe 5.0 swap

Reply #66 –
ARGH!

I am going to do this.... (laughs)  :punchballs:

Is there any specifc reason that the engine wouldn't work?

Also, does the Bird harness support Mass Air?  My Lincoln was already converted before I bought it.

Thanks in advance fellows.... I will have a bunch of questions over the coming year.
1988 Black Turbo Coupe
1989 Fiji Blue Chrysler Conquest
1990 Silver Lincoln LSC MKVII
2003 Black Mercury Marauder - S/C
1967 Green Ford Fairlane
:burnout:

turbocoupe 5.0 swap

Reply #67 –
The engine itself will work, but you should use a bird or cat harness, and you will need a mass air converter kit. I beleive its the same as a mustang.
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
Hooligans! 
1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
lilsammywasapunkrocker@yahoo.com

turbocoupe 5.0 swap

Reply #68 –
No reason you can't use the LSC engine, it's basically the same as a Stang...

The Bird harness can be converted to mass air same as earlier Stang harness, but Mass Air is totally unnecessary on a stock engine though... In any event, there is no factory 5.0 harness that is a direct swap into a '87-'88 TC... It's wiring is unique to the Birds... Still if you're not afraid of reading a few wiring diagrams and repining connectors, it ain't a big deal...

turbocoupe 5.0 swap

Reply #69 –
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;225568
No reason you can't use the LSC engine, it's basically the same as a Stang...

The Bird harness can be converted to mass air same as earlier Stang harness, but Mass Air is totally unnecessary on a stock engine though... In any event, there is no factory 5.0 harness that is a direct swap into a '87-'88 TC... It's wiring is unique to the Birds... Still if you're not afraid of reading a few wiring diagrams and repining connectors, it ain't a big deal...


Thanks for the input.  The LSC has a KenneBell 1.5 Supercharger on it.  It does run, but the transmission is cooked.  My intent is to tear the engine down and see what I have and then build from there.  Probably stroke to a 331 or 347.  The LSC is already converted to Mass Air so I suppose I can use the related Mass Air parts for the swap?

The gentleman in the following link is getting ready to do a swap into a TC and he dospoogeents everything in a DVD.  He is looking at using an 89 LSC EEC IV setup as a possible means to do it.

http://www.badshoeproductions.com/

Time is on my side... I will pick up the TC on Friday and have a better idea of what I am working with on that end.  The LSC I have sitting in the yard now. (figure the 5 lug conversion is just begging to be done)

Again... thanks very much for your input and I will be bothering you guys (repeatedly) over the next year.
1988 Black Turbo Coupe
1989 Fiji Blue Chrysler Conquest
1990 Silver Lincoln LSC MKVII
2003 Black Mercury Marauder - S/C
1967 Green Ford Fairlane
:burnout:

turbocoupe 5.0 swap

Reply #70 –
Quote from: ArizonaTC;225579
The LSC is already converted to Mass Air so I suppose I can use the related Mass Air parts for the swap?


No reason not to I can think of... I used the MAF plug from a '89 Stang harness I hacked up to convert a '86 Stang(which I later de-converted)... in '95 everybody was saying just swap the harness, so I bought one... Later found the '86 Stang uses a totally unique harness, and is nothing at all like the '87-'93 versions...

BTW my harness is from a '87 Bird... Not the best choice, but it's what I had, converted it on the workbench prior to install... Once in the car, I connected all sensors and scanned it for codes before installing the engine...Tootin' my own horn, It's given me zero problems since it was installed in late '99...

turbocoupe 5.0 swap

Reply #71 –
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;225697
No reason not to I can think of... I used the MAF plug from a '89 Stang harness I hacked up to convert a '86 Stang(which I later de-converted)... in '95 everybody was saying just swap the harness, so I bought one... Later found the '86 Stang uses a totally unique harness, and is nothing at all like the '87-'93 versions...

BTW my harness is from a '87 Bird... Not the best choice, but it's what I had, converted it on the workbench prior to install... Once in the car, I connected all sensors and scanned it for codes before installing the engine...Tootin' my own horn, It's given me zero problems since it was installed in late '99...



That looks SUHWEET!

Leave in a few hours to pick up the TC and bring it home.

Will post up some pictures this weekend of what I have to start with.
1988 Black Turbo Coupe
1989 Fiji Blue Chrysler Conquest
1990 Silver Lincoln LSC MKVII
2003 Black Mercury Marauder - S/C
1967 Green Ford Fairlane
:burnout:

motor mounts

Reply #72 –
I am about to start my swap this weekend and trying to get some last minute parts when I found this forum. finally. 87 tc to a 351 carbed with a c4. I was just wondering if anyone has tried any 76 ford maveric motor mounts. I found a picture of some on advance auto parts website and it looks like they will work. I am going to go to the parts store tomorrow to see if they work. I would use the 87 tbird v8 mounts if i could find the bracket that goes from the motor to the top of the motor mount. No junk yards around here seem to have it or are to lazy to go look.

turbocoupe 5.0 swap

Reply #73 –
Buy a set of chuckw mounts,best bet.

turbocoupe 5.0 swap

Reply #74 –
Quote from: dominator;231087
Buy a set of chuckw mounts,best bet.


where can you buy these I have looked everwhere.