10" and 5 lug

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10" and 5 lug

September 29, 2011, 07:56:52 PM

I couldn't find any information from searches...

i know there are options with going 5 lug involving changing spindles do later mustang items for 11" -> 13" brakes.

However i've seen it mentioned that you can use 10" rotors off a 1985 2WD 4Cyl Ranger with some slight modifications to the inside of a caliper.

Most of these discusions were on early Fox mustangs, but i havn't seen it mentioned for our birds, given the parts are much the same i can't see any reason why it wouldn't work.

has anyone used the Ranger rotors on a tbird/cougar?

main reason i'm leaning towards this options is due to a lack of parts locally to get sn95 parts and the associated tie rods and ball joints.

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Reply #1 – September 29, 2011, 08:13:38 PM

You don't need SN-95 ball joints, and it's highly unlikely you'll need the SN-95 tie rods. I didn't need them on my '83.

Fox ball joints work on SN-95 spindles with a spacer under the castle nut.

You can use the py 10" Ranger rotors, but why?

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Reply #2 – September 29, 2011, 09:09:43 PM

1. The car doesn't need big brakes, its not a race car, and will never be treated like one.
2. Cost - Shipping of parts to Aus is stupid, shipping on 2 spindles/hubs is $120 ish US, + the actual cost of the spindles/hubs + the effort of finding people who will send them.
Calipers might be able to be sourced locally, but i'd likely need to order the caliper brackets from the US.
Rotors should be available locally, 320ish for the 11", no idea on the 13".

getting a pair of 10" ranger rotors sent over should be about $250 all up.

main reason i want 5 lug is for a greater choice of wheels, i've got heaps of wheels that are 5x114.3, and so far have only had a VERY limited choice of wheels in 4x108

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Reply #3 – October 01, 2011, 11:28:40 AM

The Ranger rotors or the Lincoln Mark VII 11" rotors will work in getting you the five lug pattern. I believe you can use the Ranger rotors with the pre 87 mustang spindles and the 83-88 T-Bird spindles as they all came with 10" brakes stock. If you have the 87 and up Mustang spindles or the 87-88 Turbo Coupe spindles then you use the Lincoln Mark VII rotors as they all came with 11" rotors. Chuck correct me if I am wrong here as my knowledge on which T-Birds came with the larger 11" brakes is limited to the Turbo Coupes but maby the Sports too?

The problem with the Ranger and Lincoln rotors is the hub where the outer bearing resides it typically too large to fit the majority of after market wheels. The Cobra wheels like what is on my Coupe in my signature will work just fine but the majority of the wheels like the one on my T-Bird in my signature will not fit due to the hub being too large. This is why everyone typically goes to the SN95 setup as the wheel selection is dramatically improved as well as the braking. You can still run the Ranger or Aerostar left rear axles in the rear end with the matching brake drum and you will have no problems with any of the rims mounting to that if parts and $$$ are tight.

Darren

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Reply #4 – October 01, 2011, 06:47:56 PM

when you say the hub is too big, do you mean its too long, or a bigger diameter (and thus wheels need to be machined)

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Reply #5 – October 01, 2011, 07:27:51 PM

Quote from: EFFalcon;368974

when you say the hub is too big, do you mean its too long, or a bigger diameter (and thus wheels need to be machined)

Both.

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Reply #6 – October 01, 2011, 10:23:53 PM

For some of the wheels that the hub will fit it is too long. For the ones that the hub is too large I do not know if the hub is too long. The overall problem with these hubs is if you end up having to machine the wheels then you could pop for the SN95 parts and get the best of both worlds.

Here is a pretty good site for used parts here in the US and I am betting they will ship internationally especially those citys who have sea ports like Houston.

http://www.car-parts.com

One other thing, if you choose to go with the SN95 brakes the stock GT and V6 parts are the same. One thing I would suggest is that you go with the 99+ front calipers as they are PBR dual piston units which only require some slight clearancing on the 94-95 or 96-98 spindles. Do a search on this over on http://www.corral.net and you will find all kinds of information on the modification so they will work. I had this setup on my Coupe prior to the Cobra setup and it was awesome for the street.

Hope that helps.

Darren

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Reply #7 – October 02, 2011, 03:04:31 AM

One of the advantages to the twin piston mustang stuff, is the PBR caliper should be locally available

think i'll atleast get some more prices for the later gear.
I've got some wheels that *should* fit, they've got a pretty deep hub, just depends on the size.

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Reply #8 – October 02, 2011, 07:28:30 AM

Here's a couple pics of MK VII front hub on my old Cougar. as you can see the hub sticks out of the Bullitt wheel, you can't put the center cap on. The second pic is with the Mach 1 wheel, and this wheel fits with the center cap. I still had to grind down the hub diameter on the rotor to get either wheel to fit, I have a pic on my other 'puter of the hub I will try to find it.:D

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Reply #9 – October 02, 2011, 07:32:31 AM

Ok, not my pic, but here is the MK VII hub ground down so the wheels fit.:D

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Reply #10 – October 02, 2011, 08:07:17 AM

ah top photos.
will measure the hub size on my wheels and see if i can find out how big they are on the rotors.

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Reply #11 – October 02, 2011, 12:12:43 PM

The wheels on Chuck's car are the ones on my Coupe (94-97 Cobra, inserts are differnt colors) and they fit the Ranger and Lincoln hubs with no modifications. These type of wheels depend on the acron style lugs to center the wheel, I belive this is called lug centric. However, the Bullitt, Mach I, or other Cobra wheels (95 Cobra R, 98, 03-04) are hub centric where they rely on the hub to center the wheel. The wheel selection is greater for the SN95 style hubs. What is it exactly that you would have the most problem locating there that you would have to get shipped in? You basically need a set of 94-95 spindles (preferred for the stock K-member cars) but the 96-98 spindles will work as well with a bump steer kit like this one if the car is not lowered too much:

http://www.maximummotorsports.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=514_2_348&products_id=449

If it it lowered quite a bit then the bolt through style is probably better:

http://www.maximummotorsports.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=514_2_348&products_id=448

From there you simply need the hub, rotor, caliper, and pads of which all can be purchased at local parts stores here but I am not sure about there. The only other thing required would be the soft brake lines going from the caliper to the hard lines on the body.

Darren

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Reply #12 – October 02, 2011, 04:46:58 PM

What's the bad part about shipping..say, a 5 lug front swap to Australia? Is it the cost, or the waiting?

I'd be willing to ship it...IF I could find the spindles, hubs, rotors, and hardware...

For that matter, if you wanted all new parts, one could locate just the spindles and hubs, and order new rotors, calipers, and bearings and brake pads and have a "new" setup...

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Reply #13 – October 02, 2011, 05:49:49 PM

typically its the cost... although most places only offer airfreight.

Rotors arn't exactly featherweights.

most Falcon's over here are 5x114.3 wheel fitment, with offset ranging from +0 to +33ish
so theres options for wheels, just need to establish what kind of difference we're talking for the centre bore.

i've even got a set of 18" wheels that could potentially be used.

the SN95 setup is deffinately still an option.

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Reply #14 – October 10, 2011, 05:55:55 PM

anyone know the centre hub size on the ranger?

from the information i can find, its 70mm in diameter.
not sure how far it sticks out though.

conveniently pre-1999 Falcon wheels are the same diameter, and are typically quite deep centred.
so it might work in my favour.