Torque Converter Thoughts Welcome October 06, 2015, 12:19:13 AM I just replaced my torque converter (Precision Industries Stallion) 3700 with a Pro Torque equivalent but went from a 9.5" converter to a 8". I was having a tough time dealing with the 23% converter slippage in the 1/4 mile. It was killing my et and MPH. I am trying to get my bird into NHRA Super Gas territory of a 9.90. The best I have ran so far is a 10.08. Now I am running 6.20 1/8 mile and that should equate to a 9.80 1/4 mile. In high gear the poor PI Stallion was just not efficient enough, the problem is that upon install and optest of the new converter, I noticed quite a bit more slippage and I cannot determine if the converter is just slipping that much, or do I not have something right in the tranny? Nothing has really changed with the exception of the converter so I am a bit puzzled. These were both high end converters and I am doubting that 2 different converter shops can be so far off of their initial settings. Am I out to lunch, or should I be checking line pressure to the cooler to verify converter charge pressure? Can the pressure be adjusted? It's a full race C4 Reverse Manual Valve body, no transbrake. Quote Selected
Torque Converter Thoughts Welcome Reply #1 – October 06, 2015, 03:59:11 PM How do you know it was slipping that much? Quote Selected
Torque Converter Thoughts Welcome Reply #2 – October 07, 2015, 10:20:11 PM For reference I went 6.43 and 10.02 so a 6.20 should easily be in the 9.80s I would think.I know our cars are apples to oranges but I have been happy with my Coan 8" 5500 converter. Quote Selected
Torque Converter Thoughts Welcome Reply #3 – October 10, 2015, 03:25:03 AM Quote from: Lightningbird;451592I just replaced my torque converter (Precision Industries Stallion) 3700 with a Pro Torque equivalent but went from a 9.5" converter to a 8". I was having a tough time dealing with the 23% converter slippage in the 1/4 mile. It was killing my et and MPH. I am trying to get my bird into NHRA Super Gas territory of a 9.90. The best I have ran so far is a 10.08. Now I am running 6.20 1/8 mile and that should equate to a 9.80 1/4 mile. In high gear the poor PI Stallion was just not efficient enough, the problem is that upon install and optest of the new converter, I noticed quite a bit more slippage and I cannot determine if the converter is just slipping that much, or do I not have something right in the tranny? Nothing has really changed with the exception of the converter so I am a bit puzzled. These were both high end converters and I am doubting that 2 different converter shops can be so far off of their initial settings. Am I out to lunch, or should I be checking line pressure to the cooler to verify converter charge pressure? Can the pressure be adjusted? It's a full race C4 Reverse Manual Valve body, no transbrake.This sounds similar to my issues. I gave up troubleshooting. Stock converter slipped quite a bit (seen after reviewing datalogs years later), but the smaller Stallion 9.5" 3000 stall unit made my transmission issues more apparent. 36% slippage at 4000rpms. Transmission stall pressures were perfect. I've had other issues with lockup in the 4r70w transmission though, so I assume that I simply have a problem in the transmission and not in the converters (both would fail to hold lockup at closed-throttle and factory tune - pressure boost at closed throttle made that issue go away). According to places like Silver Fox Transmission, the problem shouldn't be anywhere in the valvebody, and with good epc/line/etc pressures and high slippage issues with both stock and aftermarket converters, they weren't sure where I should look next. There comes a point that one must stop throwing time and money into old parts! From what I understand about how these converters should behave, I'd assume the problem is somewhere else. Insufficient converter charge for whatever reason would cause higher slippage. Quote Selected
Torque Converter Thoughts Welcome Reply #4 – October 20, 2015, 01:20:21 PM Quote from: thunderjet302;451613How do you know it was slipping that much?I did the math between MPH and engine RPM at the traps. Your driveshaft RPM should equate to engine RPM since it is a 1:1 ratio, so any difference between the two and viola it has to be the converter or transmission slippage. Quote Selected
Torque Converter Thoughts Welcome Reply #5 – October 20, 2015, 02:03:31 PM Quote from: Pressure cooked chicken;451660For reference I went 6.43 and 10.02 so a 6.20 should easily be in the 9.80s I would think.I know our cars are apples to oranges but I have been happy with my Coan 8" 5500 converter.I have been doing some research and learning on fluid coupling and fluid dynamics. I determined that my converter is too small in diameter for efficient fluid coupling at my current engine RPM limitations (6600 RPM and less) and that I really need a 10-10.5" converter. I have a 9.5" 3700 RPM that I had it restalled as a 3200 to see if there will be any change in higher RPM slippage. Quote Selected
Torque Converter Thoughts Welcome Reply #6 – October 20, 2015, 02:04:54 PM Quote from: Seek;451703This sounds similar to my issues. I gave up troubleshooting. Stock converter slipped quite a bit (seen after reviewing datalogs years later), but the smaller Stallion 9.5" 3000 stall unit made my transmission issues more apparent. 36% slippage at 4000rpms. Transmission stall pressures were perfect. I've had other issues with lockup in the 4r70w transmission though, so I assume that I simply have a problem in the transmission and not in the converters (both would fail to hold lockup at closed-throttle and factory tune - pressure boost at closed throttle made that issue go away). According to places like Silver Fox Transmission, the problem shouldn't be anywhere in the valvebody, and with good epc/line/etc pressures and high slippage issues with both stock and aftermarket converters, they weren't sure where I should look next. There comes a point that one must stop throwing time and money into old parts! From what I understand about how these converters should behave, I'd assume the problem is somewhere else. Insufficient converter charge for whatever reason would cause higher slippage.I do not have a lock up converter but our issues sound similar. I'm doing some work with restall and converter diameter and will let you know how it pans out. Quote Selected
Torque Converter Thoughts Welcome Reply #7 – October 20, 2015, 02:20:40 PM Quote from: Lightningbird;451827I did the math between MPH and engine RPM at the traps. Your driveshaft RPM should equate to engine RPM since it is a 1:1 ratio, so any difference between the two and viola it has to be the converter or transmission slippage.Well that makes sense :) Quote Selected
Torque Converter Thoughts Welcome Reply #8 – November 09, 2015, 07:14:24 PM I finally got some track time! The re stalled converter worked out great. I am now going through the traps at 6900 rpm vice the 7500+ I washiznitting before. That equated to a 10.03 @131 mph. By finally tuning the fuel curve, I should be running high nines by the end of the year. That will be awesome! Quote Selected